Putin, Responding to Sanctions, Expels 755 U.S. Diplomats - Polidicks

[quote] MOSCOW - President Vladimir V. Putin announced on Sunday that 755 American diplomats would be expelled from Russia by Sept. 1, escalating the tensions between Washington and Moscow [/quote] [URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/30/world/europe/russia-sanctions-us-diplomats-expelled.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65640805&pgtype=Homepage"]The New York Times[/URL] Breaking, so this is all there is currently.

Looks like their relation are at an all time low.

Wow, that's a fairly large dent. I heard that some Diplomats still remain so that the count of Diplomats in US/Russia is basically the same at this point.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52522761]Wow, that's a fairly large dent. I heard that some Diplomats still remain so that the count of Diplomats in US/Russia is basically the same at this point.[/QUOTE] If it just makes it equal to how many Russia has in the US, I can't see it as hurting the US's abilities in the embassy too, too much.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52522761]Wow, that's a fairly large dent. I heard that some Diplomats still remain so that the count of Diplomats in US/Russia is basically the same at this point.[/QUOTE] It's now 450 diplomats for both countries. 755 is a lot of people, i wonder how much this will disrupt cia and other espionage operations.

[QUOTE=junker|154;52522725]Looks like their relation are at an all time low.[/QUOTE] The cold war?

Isn't the expelling of diplomats one of the first stages on the way to war? Now I'm not stupid enough to believe they will actually be a war between Russia and America, but I do think it means the possibility of a full out [I]proxy[/I] war is likely. As well as the possibility of there being a second Cold War.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52522823]Isn't the expelling of diplomats one of the first stages on the way to war? Now I'm not stupid enough to believe they will actually be a war between Russia and America, but I do think it means the possibility of a full out [I]proxy[/I] war is likely. As well as the possibility of there being a second Cold War.[/QUOTE] The syrian civil war was a proxy war?

[QUOTE=NixNax123;52522793]The cold war?[/QUOTE] Doesn't look like it'll be long before we're in another cold war at that.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;52522847]Doesn't look like it'll be long before we're in another cold war at that.[/QUOTE] Some say [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_II]Cold War II[/url] began in the early 2010's with Russia's actions in Ukraine and on the global stage. I'm inclined to agree.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52522823]Isn't the expelling of diplomats one of the first stages on the way to war? Now I'm not stupid enough to believe they will actually be a war between Russia and America, but I do think it means the possibility of a full out [I]proxy[/I] war is likely. As well as the possibility of there being a second Cold War.[/QUOTE] Historically, yes, but in modern days in regards to super powers I sincerely doubt Russia and the US will be at war any time soon. Plus they didn't expel all diplomats, only a chunk of them.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52522823]Isn't the expelling of diplomats one of the first stages on the way to war? Now I'm not stupid enough to believe they will actually be a war between Russia and America, but I do think it means the possibility of a full out [I]proxy[/I] war is likely. As well as the possibility of there being a second Cold War.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the US expelled a bunch of diplomats back in the winter. This is a belated response.

[QUOTE=Flicky;52522849]Some say [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War_II]Cold War II[/url] began in the early 2010's with Russia's actions in Ukraine and on the global stage. I'm inclined to agree.[/QUOTE] Yep. The Cold War pretty much ended with Gorbachev. Ever since Putin swapped back with his buddy Medvedev, he has just been escalating tensions and is effectively starting a second pointless cold war.

[QUOTE=Firespray;52523356]Yep. The Cold War pretty much ended with Gorbachev. Ever since Putin swapped back with his buddy Medvedev, he has just been escalating tensions and is effectively starting a second pointless cold war.[/QUOTE] Really there has always been a cold war at every point in history. The world's two largest powers always are at odds for #1. Rome and Carthage, Byzantium and Turkey, England and France, German and Russia, etc There will be a cold war after the US and Russia are overcome by future states I am sure.

[QUOTE=Firespray;52523356]Yep. The Cold War pretty much ended with Gorbachev. Ever since Putin swapped back with his buddy Medvedev, he has just been escalating tensions and is effectively starting a second pointless cold war.[/QUOTE] america has been helping to escalate things too, i wouldn't put all the blame on putin - that's one sided

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52523411]america has been helping to escalate things too, i wouldn't put all the blame on putin - that's one sided[/QUOTE] But Russia is the bad guy. Haven't you seen any movies from the 80s?

[QUOTE=Demeschik;52522925]To be fair, the US expelled a bunch of diplomats back in the winter. This is a belated response.[/QUOTE] And this seems incredibly sensationalist. I'm sure a lot of these were just redundant employees, considering that it's in the hundreds.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52523379]Really there has always been a cold war at every point in history. The world's two largest powers always are at odds for #1.[/QUOTE] But Russia isn't top 2 anymore.

Calling it now, Trump's response will be something along the lines of "Putin's just responding to Obama's UNFAIR attacks, it's his fault relations are so terrible right now"

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52523411]america has been helping to escalate things too, i wouldn't put all the blame on putin - that's one sided[/QUOTE] one sided, exactly. becauae this whole thing is very one sided with predominantly russian aggression

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52523411]america has been helping to escalate things too, i wouldn't put all the blame on putin - that's one sided[/QUOTE] I mean sure Obama has made slight comments about Putin early in his presidency like saying that he was a thing of the past, but does that really warrent the actions that Putin has undergone? I mean Putin could have had Russia joined NATO if it wasn't for his paranoia of the West trying to sabotage his political goals. Or perhaps it isn't paranoia and he just wants to further his grip over Russia itself by pulling stunts on the international scene. I suppose it is a bit much for me to say that he is starting a second pointless Cold War. He does have purpose behind his actions -- even if it is contradictory to the direction the rest of the world is heading.

funny fact i heard on the news though, the US embassy does not have 755 american staff, so this is slightly confusing as to who they're expelling, at least that was CNN's take

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52523411]america has been helping to escalate things too, i wouldn't put all the blame on putin - that's one sided[/QUOTE] Obama tried to set things straight with the Russian Reset and Russia went and invaded Ukraine. Syria is an issue too but all sides just want influence over the country and are in the wrong. But then we have Russia's propaganda campaigns aimed at subverting western Democracy, and their direct interference in the US Election. I once read an article about a former European intelligence officer who claimed that it went further than that the Spetsnaz were training far-right paramilitary groups throughout Europe, but I cannot find that article again because I've forgotten too many details.

[media]https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/891814398028902402[/media]

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52523733][media]https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/891814398028902402[/media][/QUOTE] Aaaah, very sneaky. Part of me is impressed, to be honest. A good ruse because the numbers seem big, it's at the height of an investigation, and the public's opinion hinges on how Trump reacts, while Putin squeezes his own folks behind closed doors.

One would hope that eventually the Russian people will take down men like Putin and install a proper, working democracy, so that they might finally have freedom after nearly a 100 years of hell.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52524763]One would hope that eventually the Russian people will take down men like Putin and install a proper, working democracy, so that they might finally have freedom after nearly a 100 years of hell.[/QUOTE] It's depressing to see so many times in history the Russian people getting fucked over by autocrats.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52523651]funny fact i heard on the news though, the US embassy does not have 755 american staff, so this is slightly confusing as to who they're expelling, at least that was CNN's take[/QUOTE] "But comrade I am not American ambassador, I was born of Moscow and only cleaning embassy toilets" "Shut up suka you now get away of Russia, or else"

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52524763]One would hope that eventually the Russian people will take down men like Putin and install a proper, working democracy, so that they might finally have freedom after nearly a 100 years of hell.[/QUOTE] 100?Why not 1000?Czar regime was as bas as the Soviet one,you could be executed for reading books during Imperial rule and don't forget about serfdom thx to Ivan IV.I don't think we will get any form of democracy soon because ordinary russians don't believe in it because of Yeltsin rule. [QUOTE]Some say Cold War II began in the early 2010's with Russia's actions in Ukraine and on the global stage. I'm inclined to agree.[/QUOTE] No it happened in 2012 when Putin took his presidency back from Medvedev,accused our opposition in working with the West,helped Assad and our media labeled all those protesters as "collaborators" and "orange threat",some of them were jailed and he introduced some represive laws in Russia plus so-called "Dima Yakovlev law".

COLD WAR V2 USA SITTING ON ITS HANDS EDITION. Lets see how long til US responds along with it's allies.