Sanders: "'Absolutely' Introducing Single-Payer Health Care Bill" After GOP Failure to Repeal ACA - Polidicks

[t]http://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/full/public/2017/07/30/rtx33ldg.jpg[/t] [quote] Vermont Independent Senator Bernie Sanders said Sunday he would “absolutely” introduce a single-payer healthcare bill following failed Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare. “Absolutely, of course we are,” Sanders told CNN’s Jake Tapper Sunday. “We’re just tweaking the final points of the bill and we’re figuring out how we can mount a national campaign to bring people together.” Sanders, who finished second in the 2016 Democratic primaries for president, ran on a Medicare-for-all healthcare system during that campaign. “We are the only major country on earth, the only one, not to guarantee healthcare to all people,” he said. “The result is 28 million people who are uninsured, millions of people who are paying deductibles and copayments that are far too high.” The GOP’s push to repeal Obamacare was stymied in the Senate when three health care proposals were voted down. The Senate had voted to proceed to debate on a 50-50 vote with a tie-breaking vote by Vice President Mike Pence, but were only able to secure 49 votes on the "skinny" repeal bill, the closest to being passed. “And if the Republicans had gotten their way, there would have been another 30 or 32 million people thrown off health insurance,” he said. “That is crazy. What we should do is move in the direction of every other major country and guarantee health care as a right, not a privilege.” A single-payer healthcare system has been picking up support among Democrats in recent years, with a single-payer bill in the House receiving 115 co-sponsors, almost double the amount similar efforts had last session. [/quote] [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/sanders-says-hes-absolutely-introducing-single-payer-health-care-bill-643920"]Newsweek[/URL]

Cool. Dont think this will go anywhere though.

Please let this happen, it'd be fucking amazing and would blow up in the Republican's faces (though Trump might be stupid enough to claim he was the one who passed it and his supporters would be stupid enough to believe it). It'd be even more fucking amazing if McCain voted for it and was the passing vote :v:

It won't work, not in this political climate, but this is a conversation that needs to ignite now. It's high time we caught up with the rest of the civilized world

What he is doing is not allowing Dems to be seen as obstructionists. Not only did the Dems block the ACA repeal, but they're offering up something substantially better!

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52522577]That's how you win with trump though. He'll sign anything, you just have to convince him that he thought it up. Hell with enough doublethink they could get the entire GOP to hop onto this idea, you just have to let them "take credit".[/QUOTE] The problem is though is that people might actually think the Republicans actually give a damn about the ordinary people if they take credit :/

[QUOTE=Solomon;52522566]Cool. Dont think this will go anywhere though.[/QUOTE] it won't go through now but he's setting the groundwork for the possibility a few years down the line

Are they sure calling it "medicare for all" is the right thing to do? Most people who I talk to have shitty experiences with VA and medicaid. I think one of the reasons people are against socialized medicine in the US is because they think it'll be like the medicaid and VA they've had such terrible experiences with. People also think we can't afford it so they really need to push the cost saving measures like standardizing the medical devices and putting money into preventative care since it's obesity and heart disease, both things that can be prevented, that cost the most

[video=youtube;cDw8qP5kR0Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDw8qP5kR0Q[/video] You know, think about this, and this is coming from watching this video A lot of wounded and battered soldiers that fought during WW2/CW could be losing help they need, including ones that were drafted into the military. think about that

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52522571]Please let this happen, it'd be fucking amazing and would blow up in the Republican's faces (though Trump might be stupid enough to claim he was the one who passed it and his supporters would be stupid enough to believe it). It'd be even more fucking amazing if McCain voted for it and was the passing vote :v:[/QUOTE] McCain is not some maverick senator or hero of progressive healthcare. I don't know why people seem to think he is. He is a hardboiled party Republican who fully supports a repeal of the ACA and a switch to a more traditional conservative plan (IE -- a profitable one for businesses, at the expense of the people). He didn't vote against the "skinny repeal" because he was trying to save the ACA, he voted against it because was hot fucking mess of a bill that the party was trying to ram through to appease Trump. The repeal had no alternative healthcare plan whatsoever, and was known even among members of his own party to be an absolutely disastrous piece of legislation in its current form. The party were attempting to pass a bill that they KNEW was broken and harmful, but wanted it pushed through anyway so that they could finally claim victory over Obamacare. They simply promised "don't worry, we'll fix it later." McCain voted nay because he wanted to see a replacement plan FIRST. Voting against the skinny repeal may have been the right choice in this instance, but you're living in a fantasy world if McCain won't jump to repeal the first chance he gets once his party has come up with a vaguely defined replacement plan (even if it is horrible for the people of the US). You're even more naive if you think that McCain, or any other mainline Republican, would vote for [I]anything[/I] resembling universal or single player healthcare. [editline]30th July 2017[/editline] On a more speculative note, I expect that McCain was simply selected to be the "sacrificial goat" for killing that bill. Interviews with members of the GOP reveal that they were [I]fully aware[/I] that it was a disastrous piece of legislation, but were also quite cognizant of the fact that they've been campaigning for a repeal for the past seven years. People were afraid of passing it in its current form, but knew they needed to prove that they were doing everything they could to repeal the ACA and honor the party platform's promises. Knowing that they only needed one additional "nay" vote to stop that particular bill, I fully expect that McCain was [I]told[/I] to vote no by his allies in the Senate in order to help the party save face. Not to be crass, but reelection is not exactly something McCain has to worry about anymore, with his brain cancer. He's the ideal candidate. Like, [I]"gosh, you know! We [I]tried[/I] Mister Trump! We [I]tried[/I], rabid GOP constituents! It was that dirty ole' maverick, McCain, who killed the bill! But hey, what can you do, right?"[/I]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52522623]McCain is not some maverick senator or hero of progressive healthcare. I don't know why people seem to think he is. He is a hardboiled party Republican who fully supports a repeal of the ACA and a switch to a more traditional conservative plan (IE -- a profitable one for businesses, at the expense of the people). He didn't vote against the "skinny repeal" because he was trying to save the ACA, he voted against it because was hot fucking mess of a bill that the party was trying to ram through to appease Trump. The repeal had no alternative healthcare plan whatsoever, and was known even among members of his own party to be an absolutely disastrous piece of legislation in its current form. The party were attempting to pass a bill that they KNEW was broken and harmful, but wanted it pushed through anyway so that they could finally claim victory over Obamacare. They simply promised "don't worry, we'll fix it later." McCain voted nay because he wanted to see a replacement plan FIRST. Voting against the skinny repeal may have been the right choice in this instance, but you're living in a fantasy world if McCain won't jump to repeal the first chance he gets once his party has come up with a vaguely defined replacement plan (even if it is horrible for the people of the US). You're even more naive if you think that McCain, or any other mainline Republican, would vote for [I]anything[/I] resembling universal or single player healthcare. [editline]30th July 2017[/editline] On a more speculative note, I expect that McCain was simply selected to be the "sacrificial goat" for killing that bill. Interviews with members of the GOP reveal that they were [I]fully aware[/I] that it was a disastrous piece of legislation, but were also quite cognizant of the fact that they've been campaigning for a repeal for the past seven years. People were afraid of passing it in its current form, but knew they needed to prove that they were doing everything they could to repeal the ACA and honor the party platform's promises. Knowing that they only needed one additional "nay" vote to stop that particular bill, I fully expect that McCain was [I]told[/I] to vote no by his allies in the Senate in order to help the party save face. Not to be crass, but reelection is not exactly something McCain has to worry about anymore, with his brain cancer. He's the ideal candidate. Like, [I]"gosh, you know! We [I]tried[/I] Mister Trump! We [I]tried[/I], rabid GOP constituents! It was that dirty ole' maverick, McCain, who killed the bill! But hey, what can you do, right?"[/I][/QUOTE] It's still immensely impressive, in its own twisted way, that not only have they no replacement plan after close to eight years, even when they practically control the entire government, they cannot repeal ACA. Laughable, to say the least.

[QUOTE=Jund;52522609]it won't go through now but he's setting the groundwork for the possibility a few years down the line[/QUOTE] Yeah and the GOP said that 6 years ago about repealing Obamacare.

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;52522667]It's still immensely impressive, in its own twisted way, that not only have they no replacement plan after close to eight years, even when they practically control the entire government, they cannot repeal ACA. Laughable, to say the least.[/QUOTE] Because there's no more black secret muslim Barack HUSSEIN Obummer in the WHITE house. They lost the only thing that kept them afloat. They were the obstructionist party. With all branches in their control, they can only obstruct themselves.

Whether or not this would actually progress in any way, shape, or form, it's incredibly important that it's introduced now and at least starts a more monumental conversation about reforming the way we do healthcare. It's obvious the way we are now isn't working. Repealing Obamacare won't work without a valid replacement or without cohesive adjustments to it. Some talk needs to happen at some point. Bernie's a good guy to start the conversation about something better. Even if the Republicans are gonna bitch and moan about it the whole way. Fuck 'em.

Kill Obamacare. Totally fine with that. Just have a plan. Republicans don't, this guy does.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52522623]fantastic post[/QUOTE] Oh I know. I just think it'd be fucking hilarious and ironic. It'd confuse the shit out of everyone. It'd be even better if McCain flipped everyone off during that moment and walked out into the sunset on a motorbike, never to be seen again. ... i have an over-active imagination sorry.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52522571]Please let this happen, it'd be fucking amazing and would blow up in the Republican's faces (though Trump might be stupid enough to claim he was the one who passed it and his supporters would be stupid enough to believe it). It'd be even more fucking amazing if McCain voted for it and was the passing vote :v:[/QUOTE] You've a Republican-controlled congress locked in a fierce competition to see who can deepthroat the most lobbyist cocks at the same time. Lamar Smith's currently leading by a mile. This bill won't go anywhere.

This could never pass without Republican support, so posts like this: [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52522571]Please let this happen, it'd be fucking amazing and would blow up in the Republican's faces (though Trump might be stupid enough to claim he was the one who passed it and his supporters would be stupid enough to believe it). It'd be even more fucking amazing if McCain voted for it and was the passing vote :v:[/QUOTE] seem a bit stupid to me. You hate Republicans for not giving a damn about the people, but in the event they actually did do something that benefits everyone, you would still damn them and criticize them for it simply for being Republican? No wonder politics no longer have a shred of reason. Politicians are just playing the to the tune of people like you - no compromise, no respect, no credit.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52524213]This could never pass without Republican support, so posts like this: seem a bit stupid to me. You hate Republicans for not giving a damn about the people, but in the event they actually did do something that benefits everyone, you would still damn them and criticize them for it simply for being Republican? No wonder politics no longer have a shred of reason. Politicians are just playing the to the tune of people like you - no compromise, no respect, no credit.[/QUOTE] From what I learned the Republicans are generally anti-abortion,anti-progressive,pro-war,God-loving party and relying more on older generations and they mostly don't care about young adults and students so no wonder why most people hate them here because most users on Facepunch are young people I think.Honestly I don't care about free healthcare,free education or free anything as long as I have money so the problem here is that it's better to have more jobs,higher wages,and taxes that are good for both rich and poor rather than making it free.

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524511]taxes that are good for both rich and poor rather than making it free.[/QUOTE] Eh, you sorta need those in the first place to make any of those "free" things. Also, technically Russia has those things for "free", so I don't understand your standpoint (aside from the fact that you get shit versions of all of those without bribes, but w/e).

[QUOTE=gufu;52524658] Also, technically Russia has those things for "free", so I don't understand your standpoint (aside from the fact that you get shit versions of all of those without bribes, but w/e).[/QUOTE] Which is why I'm against it,because healthcare is corrupt here and we have only 140mil people,I experienced it myself and it's better to have an official price for all instead of so-called free medicine and even if you will manage to make it work somehow it will force the US government either to increase taxes for rich(like Sweden or Germany) and the rich will simply add some $ to their products to pay these higher taxes to maintain the same quality of life they had before or will try tax-evasion strategy.Ask yourself,are you ready to pay more for food,computers,travel to have that "free healthcare" and the same applies to "free education".

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524691]Which is why I'm against it,because healthcare is corrupt here and we have only 140mil people,I experienced it myself and it's better to have an official price for all instead of so-called free medicine and even if you will manage to make it work somehow it will force the US government either to increase taxes for rich(like Sweden or Germany) and the rich will simply add some $ to their products to pay these higher taxes to maintain the same quality of life they had before or will try tax-evasion strategy.Ask yourself,are you ready to pay more for food,computers,travel to have that "free healthcare" and the same applies to "free education".[/QUOTE] Yes, absolutely. I'm utterly terrified of my medical issues or college debts coming back to ruin me, and would gladly take a 5% price hike in my food bill to get those weights off my shoulders.

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524691]Which is why I'm against it,because healthcare is corrupt here and we have only 140mil people,I experienced it myself and it's better to have an official price for all instead of so-called free medicine and even if you will manage to make it work somehow it will force the US government either to increase taxes for rich(like Sweden or Germany) and the rich will simply add some $ to their products to pay these higher taxes to maintain the same quality of life they had before or will try tax-evasion strategy.Ask yourself,are you ready to pay more for food,computers,travel to have that "free healthcare" and the same applies to "free education".[/QUOTE] Countries with socialized healthcare consistently spend less money on healthcare than the US - like, the spends upwards of 40-50% more. Sure, the US would need to raise taxes, but people would overall be saving *a lot* of money. Does it really mean that much whether you're paying taxes to the state or "taxes" to an insurance company? Basically anyone who can afford it is gonna pay for health insurance anyway, and having uninsured people isn't necessarily free to the rest of the US.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52524708]Countries with socialized healthcare consistently spend less money on healthcare than the US - like, the spends upwards of 40-50% more. Sure, the US would need to raise taxes, but people would overall be saving *a lot* of money. Does it really mean that much whether you're paying taxes to the state or "taxes" to an insurance company? Basically anyone who can afford it is gonna pay for health insurance anyway, and having uninsured people isn't necessarily free to the rest of the US.[/QUOTE] How do you think why the USA have Apple\Microsoft\Google\start-ups and so many inventions in general?My theory it's all because of taxes and business climate,knowing that no one in long-term is going to implement 80% tax for rich like France.I think the US need to lower the tax rate for rich because they need more jobs,more tax payers instead of more people sitting on social programs.Yes the US spend more but they have more people,more illegals than any country of Europe.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52524213]seem a bit stupid to me. You hate Republicans for not giving a damn about the people, but in the event they actually did do something that benefits everyone, you would still damn them and criticize them for it simply for being Republican? No wonder politics no longer have a shred of reason. Politicians are just playing the to the tune of people like you - no compromise, no respect, no credit.[/QUOTE] Sorry, generally when you spend 95% of your time fucking over people, and you do one good thing, it doesn't erase the 95% of the time you spend fucking over people. For the record, I'm absolutely for collation governments and compromise in Ireland, and have no party loyalty. I couldn't exactly have that in America when the Republican Party would want to legally fuck me and make discrimination against me legal. Besides, if it was passed, it'd be passed by a minority of the Republican party who clearly have some resemblance of sanity. It would still be to the Democrats credit since they, oh I don't know, [B]introduced[/B] the bill and where it's [B]main supporters?[/B] So accusing me of being the problem is a little rich.

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524734]How do you think why the USA have Apple\Microsoft\Google\start-ups and so many inventions in general?My theory it's all because of taxes and business climate,knowing that no one in long-term is going to implement 80% tax for rich like France.I think the US need to lower the tax rate for rich because they need more jobs,more tax payers instead of more people sitting on social programs.Yes the US spend more but they have more people,more illegals than any country of Europe.[/QUOTE] When I say they spend more, it's as a fraction of GDP, so the "more people" argument doesn't make any sense - and what does illegal immigrants have to do with healthcare? The US already has extremely low taxes in general, but it doesn't seem like that has necessarily correlated with lower unemployment (and underemployment) compared to European countries? Is the solution (and to what?) really to lower taxes even more? People in the US are lacking healthcare and skilled work (which requires education), what good is gonna come from making it easier on the wealthy? Personally I think corporations at large would benefit from not having to pay health insurance for their workers, and instead have that done through the government.

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524734]How do you think why the USA have Apple\Microsoft\Google\start-ups and so many inventions in general?My theory it's all because of taxes and business climate,knowing that no one in long-term is going to implement 80% tax for rich like France.I think the US need to lower the tax rate for rich because they need more jobs,more tax payers instead of more people sitting on social programs.Yes the US spend more but they have more people,more illegals than any country of Europe.[/QUOTE] your entire economic theory was derived from a graph sketched on dick cheney's napkin. there has never been any proof that reducing taxes on the highest earners creates jobs, but its certainly a great way to raise campaign funds. as for social programs, we have very few, they're administered by states mostly and you'd be extremely hard pressed to live off of them in the long term. what drives innovation in the US is that we have a large middle class that does spend their money, provides the workers that fill the complex and large amount of jobs that modern manufacturers require, but has been consistently shat on by companies now who can't even be bothered to pay their local taxes, and don't reinvest in workers, and don't build the bases that grow manufacturing expertise

[QUOTE=AmberFox;52524691]Which is why I'm against it,because healthcare is corrupt here and we have only 140mil people,I experienced it myself and it's better to have an official price for all instead of so-called free medicine and even if you will manage to make it work somehow it will force the US government either to increase taxes for rich(like Sweden or Germany) and the rich will simply add some $ to their products to pay these higher taxes to maintain the same quality of life they had before or will try tax-evasion strategy.Ask yourself,are you ready to pay more for food,computers,travel to have that "free healthcare" and the same applies to "free education".[/QUOTE] Hahahaha. Uh yes. Im currently uninsured. I have a disorder called marfans sydrome. Last year i was having chest pains and had to go to the hospital. Im currently 8000 dollars in debt from it. And it turns out the pains were unrelated. So now i have to ask myself next time if going to seek medical care is even worth it. [editline]31st July 2017[/editline] And I'm also 20k in debt from college. So yeah to that too. [editline]31st July 2017[/editline] Im out of college and 30k in debt. Enough debt to buy a car or a place to live.

TBH any politician who knowingly votes to snatch what little healthcare is offered away without the intent of offering a rewsonable alternative deserves to suffer from cancer/heart disease/brain damage or some other life threatening/altering issue. Or better yet, a bludgeoning/lynching at the hands of the same constituents that they knowingly threw under a bus. Go Bernie, you might not win this battle but you can still tear them apart and make people realism that there are better options out there.

[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52522679]Because there's no more black secret muslim Barack HUSSEIN Obummer in the WHITE house. They lost the only thing that kept them afloat. They were the obstructionist party. With all branches in their control, they can only obstruct themselves.[/QUOTE] It's hilariously ironic but at least it means they're too incompetent to get too much awful shit passed. I really hope that the Republican party implodes and gets replaced with something less shitty and that one of those parties that popped up in opposition to the Democrats over this election starts taking enough influence away from the Democrats to turn them into a new major party as well. [QUOTE=AmberFox;52524734]How do you think why the USA have Apple\Microsoft\Google\start-ups and so many inventions in general?My theory it's all because of taxes and business climate,knowing that no one in long-term is going to implement 80% tax for rich like France.I think the US need to lower the tax rate for rich because they need more jobs,more tax payers instead of more people sitting on social programs.Yes the US spend more but they have more people,more illegals than any country of Europe.[/QUOTE] The US has those countries primarily because since the end of WWII we've been so influential and were leaders in the tech field. A place such as Russia where the people tend to be fairly suppressed is going to stifle the creativity and drive necessary to create a company like Google or Microsoft. Also why the fuck would the US [I]lower[/I] taxes on the rich? We already have so many loopholes and tax breaks for the rich that they pay one of the lowest effective tax rates in the world. It simply does not work. All those rich people do is hoard their money and cause issues. It's proven fact that the entire concept of trickle down economics (which is the only reason anyone ever gives for reducing taxes on the rich) simply does not have any effect.