Future of security: Israeli model shows high cost of living with terror threat - Polidicks

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/18/future-security-israeli-model-shows-high-cost-living-with-terror-threat/?intcmp=hpbt1[/url] [QUOTE]As the grip of terror tightens on Europe, a blueprint for existing with an unrelenting threat lies to the east, where Israelis have become accustomed to metal detectors, armed guards, spot searches and long lines. No nation has faced more security challenges in the face of unrelenting terrorism than Israel, and now the Jewish state's methods could light the way for Europe now that much of the continent finds itself awash in refugees and under threats from ISIS. But emulating Israel will not be cheap or convenient, and can never completely eliminate the risk of an attack -- anytime and anywhere. [/QUOTE]

Fox is an allowed source? This is just fearmongering crap. A single attack will not cause same result that Israel is facing on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49159869]Fox is an allowed source? This is just fearmongering crap. A single attack will not cause same result that Israel is facing on a daily basis.[/QUOTE] Dude, Fox is not that bad.

Fearmongering withba slight hint of truth I'd say?

[QUOTE=kweh;49159881]Fearmongering withba slight hint of truth I'd say?[/QUOTE] Or realism maybe? Least I'm not quoting fucking Rush Limbaugh :v:

[QUOTE=kweh;49159881]Fearmongering withba slight hint of truth I'd say?[/QUOTE] We'd need quite a lot of constant terrorist attacks to turn into a police state like Israel. One incident in Paris won't be enough. [QUOTE=agentfazexx;49159871]Dude, Fox is not that bad.[/QUOTE] It is if you read it for entertainment.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49159888]Or realism maybe? Least I'm not quoting fucking Rush Limbaugh :v:[/QUOTE] Hence why I say hint of truth. There should be more security measures, but lets not go crazy.

[QUOTE=kweh;49159917]Hence why I say hint of truth. There should be more security measures, but lets not go crazy.[/QUOTE] Way down the road, it might happen. Unless ISIS is destroyed...they will continue to grow. I think that was what they were aiming for with that article.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49159925]Way down the road, it might happen. Unless ISIS is destroyed...they will continue to grow. I think that was what they were aiming for with that article.[/QUOTE] Oh, then I doubt it'll come to that. I hope so at least.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49159871]Dude, Fox is not that bad.[/QUOTE] they had to apply for an [I]entertainment[/I] license before they could broadcast in my country.

[QUOTE=kweh;49159954]Oh, then I doubt it'll come to that. I hope so at least.[/QUOTE] Maybe not in the US...or at least not the entire thing due to the size. But I could see it happening in Europe if shit like this keeps happening. [editline]21st November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_jesterk;49159963]they had to apply for an [I]entertainment[/I] license before they could broadcast in my country.[/QUOTE] Fox 411 does entertainment news. That's why.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49159871]Dude, Fox is not that bad.[/QUOTE] Fox is 99% of the time that bad

If we need to heighten security to the point of infringing our own rights then frankly the terrorists already won.

Fox news is the most biased tv news source in the US And thats saying something

[QUOTE=da space core;49161582]Fox news is the most biased tv news source in the US And thats saying something[/QUOTE] According to Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism MSNBC is actually far more bias than FOX. I also don't see anything wrong with this article, at least personally. If attacks like what happened in Paris become a frequent thing then obviously security is going to tighten and Israel is one of the best examples of what the expenses for that will be like.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;49162050]isnt the pew research center also the one that claims that a large percentage of muslim americans would support suicide bombing tactics? because it sounds like theyre more conservative thinktank than actual research center[/QUOTE] You don't decide whether something is liberal or conservative based on results, but on method and analysis. [editline]21st November 2015[/editline] I mean, they're factually known as one of the least biased research organizations out there, but you're welcome to dismiss all their results because they disagree with your preconceived notions.

[QUOTE=da space core;49161582]Fox news is the most biased tv news source in the US And thats saying something[/QUOTE] Every news station is biased, it is only ok if it falls in with your view points right.

Yeah Fox is pretty fucking biased but I always thought of MSNBC as the absolute worst when it comes to impartial reporting.

[QUOTE=kweh;49159917]Hence why I say hint of truth. There should be more security measures, but lets not go crazy.[/QUOTE] GL getting any police state done in the US, people would openly revolt at the idea of having to be security screened constantly plus the amount of guns here and cc weapons would cause near constant alarms

[QUOTE=Sableye;49163254]GL getting any police state done in the US, people would openly revolt at the idea of having to be security screened constantly plus the amount of guns here and cc weapons would cause near constant alarms[/QUOTE] We don't need it though? Unlike Europe they have to cross an ocean to get to us, Also unlike Europe our gun culture makes it harder to replicate attacks like those in paris or mali to that level of success. Trust me the U.S. wouldn't just sit there and shoot down rockets if they started being launched at us out of mexico, we'd demand mexico prevent it from recurring, and if they failed to we'd take action to stop it ourselves. ( I really don't understand why people hate Israel so much considering the amount of restraint they show compared to the provocation they receive). The United States at large, as a whole, is not really endangered to nearly the same extent as Israel or the European mainland. We might suffer a few attacks here and there, but other than the potential of destroying major infrastructure the average american would be largely unaffected by anything other than slightly stricter legislation. Edit: I think we were agreeing actually now that I reread it in context, w/e.

[QUOTE=Sableye;49163254]GL getting any police state done in the US, people would openly revolt at the idea of having to be security screened constantly plus the amount of guns here and cc weapons would cause near constant alarms[/QUOTE] ... you mean like how you have metal detectors at schools, the biggest and most sophisticated mass surveillance systems in the world, the strictest airports, government-sponsored extralegal detainment and so forth? Guns or no guns, the US is the most developed police state in the West.

[QUOTE=jA_cOp;49163352]... you mean like how you have metal detectors at schools, the biggest and most sophisticated mass surveillance systems in the world, the strictest airports, government-sponsored extralegal detainment and so forth? Guns or no guns, the US is the most developed police state in the West.[/QUOTE] That's not equivalent to what we mean when we say police state. The closest thing on that list is the surveillance systems we have, but surveillance systems don't enforce a police state by themselves, the government has to use the information they gather to crack down on citizens who voice discontent or whatever your definition of police state is, but they don't. Is it an infringement of our rights? Absolutely it is, does the average american give enough of a shit for that to change? Doesn't seem like it. But that doesn't make it a police state. Border controls are standard and protect the freedoms of the citizens inside, in order for security to work there DOES have to be a compromise somewhere, and most of us are comfortable with that compromise being on the border/airports. Also metal detectors at schools are on a case by case basis, I've never seen one in any school near my area, they're only really used in schools that are extremely paranoid or in areas with huge crime problems (chicago, etc.). Like most places, we implement security as we feel is necessary to protect our average citizens, that's not the same as arbitrarily adding security everywhere to enforce group-think on our citizens.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49163438]Like most places, we implement security as we feel is necessary to protect our average citizens, that's not the same as arbitrarily adding security everywhere to enforce group-think on our citizens.[/QUOTE] Snowden might disagree with you on that.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49161536]Fox is 99% of the time that bad[/QUOTE] oh it is 100% of the time bad but at least it isn't CNN, it's not complete fucking garbage terrible

[QUOTE=Tsyolin;49162466]Yeah Fox is pretty fucking biased but I always thought of MSNBC as the absolute worst when it comes to impartial reporting.[/QUOTE] They're both trash. MSNBC only exists because someone wanted to get in on the Fox News money machine.

[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;49164308]They're both trash. MSNBC only exists because [I]Microsoft[/I] wanted to get in on the Fox News money machine.[/QUOTE]

Israel is justified in the cost of it's security measures, though. They have [I]daily [/I]attacks against their population from terrorist groups.

The situation in Europe has escalated already, public spaces don't appear as safe as they used to do. A few major cities, Brussels and Paris, are basically on lockdown and might stay that way for weeks. Soldiers have already become a common sight at major transporthubs like large train stations.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49161536]Fox is 99% of the time that bad[/QUOTE] Wanna show some examples? At least they aren't CNN with their fancy fucking camera angles that make me want to vomit from motion sickness.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49163321]Also unlike Europe our gun culture makes it harder to replicate attacks like those in paris or mali to that level of success. [/QUOTE] What really? Have you forgotten the boston bombing?