It should be titled When the Democratic party [B]WAS[/B] a Party of Slavery and Victimization
so republicans just have salads and democrats have PIZZA and PIE?
fuck this i'm ultra democrat now
It's weird to hear someone say "butthurt" out loud
Is this serious or satire?
He says slavery disappeared 150 years ago and then uses arguments against the democrats by talking about how they created the KKK and fought for slavery?
I'm genuinely confused.
[QUOTE=Buck.;48259313]Is this serious or satire?
He says slavery disappeared 150 years ago and then uses arguments against the democrats by talking about how they created the KKK and fought for slavery?
I'm genuinely confused.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there was a lot of white supremacist democrats during the 1800s in the south. If you don't believe me, read this.
[QUOTE]s the American Civil War broke out, Northern Democrats were divided into War Democrats and Peace Democrats. The Confederate States of America, whose political leadership, mindful of the welter prevalent in antebellum American politics and with a pressing need for unity, largely viewed political parties as inimical to good governance; consequently the Confederacy had none, or at least none with the wide organization inherent to other American parties. Most War Democrats rallied to Republican President Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans' National Union Party in the election of 1864, which featured Andrew Johnson on the Republican ticket even though he was a Democrat from the South. Johnson replaced Lincoln in 1865, but stayed independent of both parties. The Democrats benefited from white Southerners' resentment of Reconstruction after the war and consequent hostility to the Republican Party. After Redeemers ended Reconstruction in the 1870s, and following the often extremely violent disenfranchisement of African Americans led by such white supremacist Democratic politicians as Benjamin Tillman of South Carolina in the 1880s and 1890s, the South, voting Democratic, became known as the "Solid South." Though Republicans won all but two presidential elections, the Democrats remained competitive. The party was dominated by pro-business Bourbon Democrats led by Samuel J. Tilden and Grover Cleveland, who represented mercantile, banking, and railroad interests; opposed imperialism and overseas expansion; fought for the gold standard; opposed bimetallism; and crusaded against corruption, high taxes, and tariffs. Cleveland was elected to non-consecutive presidential terms in 1884 and 1892.[20][/QUOTE]
It wasn't until the 1930s when the modern democrats began to form.
You guys gotta understand that the democrats were the right wing until like JFK, hell even FDR was a stretch for them
Why is it so so hard to understand?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy[/url]
Like shit. Really. Its so basic.
that argument only makes sense if you pretend that history just stopped in the 20th century and that both parties didn't pass through a lot of ideological/political changes during that time
it's not like it went "the republicans freed the slaves and blacks voted republican, nothing happened after that and now they vote democrat wtf"
things change
What's next, the Australian Liberal party [I]must[/I] be liberal because they have it in their name? :vs:
So from political viewpoint the republicans and the democrats kinda switched places over the century?
"The way to get out of poverty is working."
Need not give this man any more views, just keep moving along.
[QUOTE=Buck.;48262646]So from political viewpoint the republicans and the democrats kinda switched places over the century?[/QUOTE]
The Republican party was founded by anti-slavery activists and abolitionists, modernists, and progressives. It was made to fight against the Kansas-Nebraska act, which was going to repeal the Missouri Compromise and allow slavery in Kansas. It dominated the northern states after a couple years. The Republican party supported a fuckton of government interference - they wanted high tariffs to boost economic growth, they supported the very religious groups that started prohibition, all sorts of stuff. They were almost always the "big business" party, and they wanted high profits and high wages, but they differed from the modern Republican party in a lot of ways.
After the turn of the century, the Republican party lost a lot in the way of support of prohibition (because it sucked), so they focused very heavily on big business and high tariffs.
The New Deal is [I]really[/I] what flipped shit around. Blacks were largely disenfranchised voters in the south (Democrat-controlled). The New Deal garnered a lot of the northern black vote for the Democrats, and the Democrats basically stacked the Senate (71 democrats to 25 republicans) and the House of Reps. This fractured the fuck out of the Republican party and led to a major split - the northeastern Republicans and the "Old Right" midwestern Republicans. The Democrats became increasingly progressive and began purging southern conservatives from the party, which once made up their entire base. The Republicans took advantage of that to get a larger vote percentage (since the Democrats were dominating shit during FDR's presidency), exacerbating racial tensions to get the now-misrepresented southern white Democrat vote.
Then, FDR sorta fucked up, the Second New Deal failed, and the Republicans got control of Congress again during WW2 and started dismantling the "socialist" changes that the Democrats brought about, leaving some stuff like Social Security and welfare. Following Eisenhower and Nixon, the Republican party (now very different from the original anti-slavery Republican party) dominated the presidency, becoming increasingly conservative. The liberal (northeastern) Republican wing slowly disappeared as the Midwestern wing became the face of the Republican party.
tl;dr yes, it switched, republicans became more libertarian and laissez-faire, got rid of their high tariffs platform, took advantage of the democrat party's slow abandoning of southern conservatives, and the liberal republicans died out.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48262913]
After the turn of the century, the Republican party lost a lot in the way of support of prohibition (because it sucked), so they focused very heavily on big business and high tariffs.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention the fact that the people who weren't racist fucks (couldn't vote democrat) but also weren't all into big business and unrestricted trade split off from the party and formed the progressive party with Teddy Roosevelt. A party that was extremely popular, enough to cost the Republicans an election in the Republican era and a party that promised stuff like national healthcare, minimum wages and more regulation.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48262913]The Republican party was founded by anti-slavery activists and abolitionists, modernists, and progressives. It was made to fight against the Kansas-Nebraska act, which was going to repeal the Missouri Compromise and allow slavery in Kansas. It dominated the northern states after a couple years. The Republican party supported a fuckton of government interference - they wanted high tariffs to boost economic growth, they supported the very religious groups that started prohibition, all sorts of stuff. They were almost always the "big business" party, and they wanted high profits and high wages, but they differed from the modern Republican party in a lot of ways.
After the turn of the century, the Republican party lost a lot in the way of support of prohibition (because it sucked), so they focused very heavily on big business and high tariffs.
The New Deal is [I]really[/I] what flipped shit around. Blacks were largely disenfranchised voters in the south (Democrat-controlled). The New Deal garnered a lot of the northern black vote for the Democrats, and the Democrats basically stacked the Senate (71 democrats to 25 republicans) and the House of Reps. This fractured the fuck out of the Republican party and led to a major split - the northeastern Republicans and the "Old Right" midwestern Republicans. The Democrats became increasingly progressive and began purging southern conservatives from the party, which once made up their entire base. The Republicans took advantage of that to get a larger vote percentage (since the Democrats were dominating shit during FDR's presidency), exacerbating racial tensions to get the now-misrepresented southern white Democrat vote.
Then, FDR sorta fucked up, the Second New Deal failed, and the Republicans got control of Congress again during WW2 and started dismantling the "socialist" changes that the Democrats brought about, leaving some stuff like Social Security and welfare. Following Eisenhower and Nixon, the Republican party (now very different from the original anti-slavery Republican party) dominated the presidency, becoming increasingly conservative. The liberal (northeastern) Republican wing slowly disappeared as the Midwestern wing became the face of the Republican party.
tl;dr yes, it switched, republicans became more libertarian and laissez-faire, got rid of their high tariffs platform, took advantage of the democrat party's slow abandoning of southern conservatives, and the liberal republicans died out.[/QUOTE]
Dude I've read this post 3 times. I really learned something new today.
I mean "Liberal Republican" I didn't even know such thing existed.
[QUOTE=Buck.;48263027]Dude I've read this post 3 times. I really learned something new today.
I mean "Liberal Republican" I didn't even know such thing existed.[/QUOTE]
This is extremely extremely simplified, half sorta remembered from high-school history and half looked up on Wikipedia. Definitely read up on the history of the Republican/Democrat parties if you want to know more - they have very interesting histories and they've changed enormously even in the last 10 years.
Republicans were definitely not always the far-right extremists that you hear about now. That's a very recent development (as in the last 20 years at most). There's a long history of how their political stances evolved and it's very interesting - I just don't know nearly enough to explain it accurately.
[QUOTE=Buck.;48263027]Dude I've read this post 3 times. I really learned something new today.
I mean "Liberal Republican" I didn't even know such thing existed.[/QUOTE]
Liberal is just a confusing word in politics do to its use, there are Liberal Republicans still around today but it is not what makes up the party platform as a whole.
Despite the two party split, the individual opinions within the party vastly differ and the only reason they manage to survive this way is there's no alternative so many people are forced to become "issue voters" and vote for parties based on single issues instead of their whole political identity.
If you're interested, you should read up about Theodore Roosevelt. He was a Republican, but he was a huge progressive, much of FDR's [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Nationalism"]New Deal was actually planed decades before by Teddy.[/URL]
[quote]In the social sphere the platform called for
A National Health Service to include all existing government medical agencies
Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled.
Limited injunctions in strikes.
A minimum wage law for women.
An eight hour workday.
A federal securities commission.
Farm relief.
Workers' compensation for work-related injuries.
An inheritance tax.
A Constitutional amendment to allow a Federal income tax.[/quote]
He is an amazing oddity from the current two party system because he probably the most bipartisan President we've had from the Republicans and Democrats and unfortunately its unlikely for this to happen again.
We call these guys the Southern Democrats, who were actually conservative as hell. The parties began to split around the turn of the century with the democrats in northern cities taking a liberal viewpoint and slowly choking the southern democrats out of their party. Most of them migrated to the fundamentalist movement and therefore the republican party, but the oldschool liberal republicans didn't like this so many split off to form the progressive party (a bit like libertarianism but with less fucked up economics).
Anyways, the progressive movement lost steam and liberal republicans were slowly phased out. They got their last hurrah in the Eisenhower years but they never really came back. Meanwhile southern democrats were ended with the rise of the Civil Rights movement.
"If people really benefited off of the legacy of slavery, then the African continent would be the richest population of citizens in the world."
heh.
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