• Pennsylvania Supreme Court releases new de-gerrymandered electoral map
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Old map, struck down for being gerrymandered: [t]https://i.imgur.com/ANNGxGg.jpg[/t] New court-imposed map: [t]https://i.imgur.com/gZI0VQP.jpg[/t] [url]http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/article200932829.html[/url] [quote]The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is imposing a new congressional district map for the state's 2018 elections, meeting its deadline to do so and likely setting up a challenge from Republicans. Monday's order means a new map is to take effect in the May 15 primary. Republican lawmakers are expected to quickly challenge it in federal court, arguing legislatures and governors, not courts, have the constitutional responsibility to draw congressional maps.[/quote] [media]https://twitter.com/timelywriter/status/965673336251518976[/media]
That old map was doing it's best Holy Roman Empire borders impression, good god that's fucked up.
So is this new map based on county lines or?
It's certainly a much cleaner-looking map than the initial version: [t]https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wYbI-plE-lKOU-BWPuB5iBNwjcw=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10079127/Screen_Shot_2018_01_22_at_4.47.05_PM.png[/t] Here's hoping the courts continue challenging gerrymandering across the country.
Don't know shit about PA geography but the new map sure looks a thousand times more sensible than the old one
If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t] You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.
[QUOTE]Republican lawmakers are expected to quickly challenge it in federal court, arguing legislatures and governors, not courts, have the constitutional responsibility to draw congressional maps.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they do, [B]and you guys can't stop fucking it up with unfair bullshit[/B] so this is what you get. Suck that humiliation down and don't neglect the balls.
Oh man, republicans are going to get smashed in Pennsylvania come midterms.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53143972]If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t] You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.[/QUOTE] What?? That map looks, on first glance, pretty fair and compact. There's no egregious snake like districts. And according to this, it's right in the middle of results. [url]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/new-york/[/url]
[QUOTE=patq911;53144016]What?? That map looks, on first glance, pretty fair and compact. There's no egregious snake like districts. And according to this, it's right in the middle of results. [url]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-maps/new-york/[/url][/QUOTE] I had a hard time finding anything even slightly squirrelly until I squinted and looked at how NYC gets carved up right in Queens and the like. There could stand to be some redistricting in there to make things simpler, but NY doesn't look that bad. The only other thing out of place is the very obvious population concentration in NYC and Long Island compared to practically nobody living anywhere upstate except Albany and Buffalo. But an argument for separating upstate NY from the NYC population core is completely different from an argument about gerrymandering.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53144040]I had a hard time finding anything even slightly squirrelly until I squinted and looked at how NYC gets carved up right in Queens and the like. There could stand to be some redistricting in there to make things simpler, but NY doesn't look that bad. The only other thing out of place is the very obvious population concentration in NYC and Long Island compared to practically nobody living anywhere upstate except Albany and Buffalo. But an argument for separating upstate NY from the NYC population core is completely different from an argument about gerrymandering.[/QUOTE] Those areas are so heavily dem that any amount of redistricting wouldn't matter. They're mostly drawn that way because it groups minorities together instead of splitting them apart. Giving a stronger voice.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53143957]That old map was doing it's best Holy Roman Empire borders impression, good god that's fucked up.[/QUOTE] A.E.I.O.U.
The map is predicted to give democrats 8-11 seats in the state house rather than 6-9 on the old map.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53143972]If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t] You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.[/QUOTE] NYC isn't that bad, honestly. Each district is [i]legally required[/i] to be population proportional - so obviously NYC is going to be heavily weighted. It's the population center of the entire state. New York state has 19.75 million people. New York City alone, not the metro area but just the city limits, has 8.5 million. Nearly half the state population is in NYC alone. New York has 27 districts - based on your map, about 17 are in the "NYC and Long Island" metro area you're talking about. Funny, upper Long Island is controlled by 2 Republican congressmen - out of 9 total in the whole state. New York has some of the [URL="https://www.wnyc.org/story/how-new-york-and-new-jersey-have-avoided-extreme-gerrymandering/"]most competitive congressional districts[/URL] in the entire country. That's a good sign that they're not that heavily gerrymandered. They're visibly pretty compact - especially compared to North Carolina and Pennsylvania and other literal jagged pixel snake monster districts. [t]https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*DM5AcUshvwDVz7_NKHW9hQ.jpeg[/t] This is a gerrymandering index score map of the entire country. Note that [B]all[/B] of New York state is pretty light compared to the dark crimson of most of Pennsylvania. Hell, New York City barely even registers on the index. New York's gerrymandering isn't that bad, really. The city is over-represented, [URL="https://www.prisonersofthecensus.org/nygerrymander.html"]especially in the Senate map[/URL], but rarely by more than 5%. It's an issue, for sure, but not nearly on the same blatant scale as Republican gerrymandering in multiple other states.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53143972]If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t] You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.[/QUOTE] How is it cancer? They're some of the most densely populated areas in the country, hence why they have so many representatives.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;53144384]NYC isn't that bad, honestly. Each district is [i]legally required[/i] to be population proportional - so obviously NYC is going to be heavily weighted. It's the population center of the entire state. New York state has 19.75 million people. New York City alone, not the metro area but just the city limits, has 8.5 million. Nearly half the state population is in NYC alone. New York has 27 districts - based on your map, about 17 are in the "NYC and Long Island" metro area you're talking about. Funny, upper Long Island is controlled by 2 Republican congressmen - out of 9 total in the whole state. New York has some of the [URL="https://www.wnyc.org/story/how-new-york-and-new-jersey-have-avoided-extreme-gerrymandering/"]most competitive congressional districts[/URL] in the entire country. That's a good sign that they're not that heavily gerrymandered. They're visibly pretty compact - especially compared to North Carolina and Pennsylvania and other literal jagged pixel snake monster districts. [t]https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*DM5AcUshvwDVz7_NKHW9hQ.jpeg[/t] This is a gerrymandering index score map of the entire country. Note that [B]all[/B] of New York state is pretty light compared to the dark crimson of most of Pennsylvania. Hell, New York City barely even registers on the index. New York's gerrymandering isn't that bad, really. The city is over-represented, [URL="https://www.prisonersofthecensus.org/nygerrymander.html"]especially in the Senate map[/URL], but rarely by more than 5%. It's an issue, for sure, but not nearly on the same blatant scale as Republican gerrymandering in multiple other states.[/QUOTE] Ah I was wondering if someone had broken down how gerrymandered each state is. I'm bummed that my state, maryland is pretty dark.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53143977]Yeah, they do, [B]and you guys can't stop fucking it up with unfair bullshit[/B] so this is what you get. Suck that humiliation down and don't neglect the balls.[/QUOTE] ya its odd how they think they can succeed when 1) the scotus ruled that line of diatribe is null, and 2) the scotus declined to take this case [i]because[/i] the penn supreme court ruled only along state constitutional lines
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;53144040]I had a hard time finding anything even slightly squirrelly until I squinted and looked at how NYC gets carved up right in Queens and the like. There could stand to be some redistricting in there to make things simpler, but NY doesn't look that bad. The only other thing out of place is the very obvious population concentration in NYC and Long Island compared to practically nobody living anywhere upstate except Albany and Buffalo. But an argument for separating upstate NY from the NYC population core is completely different from an argument about gerrymandering.[/QUOTE] For NYC, the gerrymandering is between Democratic Challengers and Incumbents; there are stories of challengers getting their districts completely redrawn before election thus forcing them to lose to the incumbent challenger.
[QUOTE]Republican lawmakers are expected to quickly challenge it in federal court, arguing legislatures and governors, not courts, have the constitutional responsibility to draw congressional maps.[/QUOTE] Fuck you, losers! It's amazing the lengths these people will go to to sink their nasty claws deep into positions of power, then when their cheating and lying catches up to them, they try to accuse everyone else of wrong-doing Fuck Republican politicians
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53143972]If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t] You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.[/QUOTE] I mean, there's 8 million people in NYC and that requires more districts to represent them, the map looks pretty fair in my eyes
We should, as a country, make state courts as apolitical as possible, and have them draw districts in every state.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;53144820]I mean, there's 8 million people in NYC and that requires more districts to represent them, the map looks pretty fair in my eyes[/QUOTE] 7.5 million in NYC, with the rest of the state having 11 million. It's not fair at all. The amount of districts is not proportionate for the population.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53144845]7.5 million in NYC, with the rest of the state having 11 million. It's not fair at all. The amount of districts is not proportionate for the population.[/QUOTE] Certainly could use a re-drawn congressional map. Although let's not talk about NYC statehood, the rest of the state doesn't exactly have the most going for it economically speaking.
How many layers of gerrymandering are you on? [QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;53143972]If we are challenging gerrymandering can the next stop be NY? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png/1024px-Map_of_New_York%27s_congressional_districts_from_2013_to_2022.png[/t] You look at this, and tell me with a straight face this isn't cancer. Seriously, Long Island and NYC need to split off and become their own state already.[/QUOTE] You are like a little baby watch this [img]https://i.imgur.com/KEHrCxG.png[/img]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;53144872]How many layers of gerrymandering are you on? You are like a little baby watch this [img]https://i.imgur.com/KEHrCxG.png[/img][/QUOTE] oh my fuck that map is cursed
jesus fucking christ, I think bleach is in store for everyone.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;53144872]How many layers of gerrymandering are you on? You are like a little baby watch this [thumb]https://i.imgur.com/KEHrCxG.png[/thumb][/QUOTE] I didn't realize jackson pollock was in charge of dividing congressional districts
[QUOTE=proboardslol;53144872]How many layers of gerrymandering are you on? You are like a little baby watch this [img]https://i.imgur.com/KEHrCxG.png[/img][/QUOTE] This is the only democratic gerrymandered state in the whole country, plus estimates put it at only 1 extra seat they gain because of this.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;53143990]Oh man, republicans are going to get smashed in Pennsylvania come midterms.[/QUOTE] oh yeah, PA is historically a swing state with neck and neck polarizing sides. Most of the middle is die hard conservative republican with the edges being more democratic. The republicans JUST BARRRRRRRRELY won in the 2016 election and with this huge democratic wave surging i dont even think PA would be a swing state during midterms. Or at least it'll have much more of a certainty than it did before.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;53143957]That old map was doing it's best Holy Roman Empire borders impression, good god that's fucked up.[/QUOTE] Real talk as a guy who plays a ton of CK2 and EU4 that map was triggering on so many levels.
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