Defence minister Mike Penning: Jeremy Corbyn is collaborating with Russia - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A government minister has accused Jeremy Corbyn of "collaborating" with Russia after his spokesman said British troops stationed in eastern Europe were helping to "escalate tensions" between Moscow and the west.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Asked whether Mr Corbyn supported the Estonia deployment yesterday, the Labour leader's spokesman said: "Jeremy has expressed concerns about that being one of the escalations of tensions that have taken place." In an interview with BBC Wales today, Mr Corbyn said it was "unfortunate that troops have gone up to the border on both sides". He added: "I don't want to see any more troops deployed on the borders between Nato and Russia, I want to see a de-escalation, ultimately a de-militarisation and better relationships between both sides of it... there cannot be a return to a Cold War mentality."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]But Mr Penning said: "Britain has Nato's second biggest defence budget and plays a leading role in the alliance. It is unprecedented for a leader of the opposition to attack the defensive deployment of British troops in Nato territory. "These comments suggest that the Labour leader would rather collaborate with Russian aggression than mutually support Britain's Nato allies. As with Trident, everything Labour says and does shows that they cannot be trusted with Britain's national security."[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/82305/defence-minister-mike-penning-jeremy"]https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/82305/defence-minister-mike-penning-jeremy[/URL]

Oh fuck off. Corbyn just wants better relations because that is the right thing to do. Not to ignore the issues that Russia has, but to work through them diplomatically rather than raising tensions militarily. The same can't be said for Trump.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;51693418]Oh fuck off. Corbyn just wants better relations because that is the right thing to do. Not to ignore the issues that Russia has, but to work through them diplomatically rather than raising tensions militarily. The same can't be said for Trump.[/QUOTE] If by better relations you mean "let the Russians walk over countries", sure. Military posturing is part of the diplomacy toolkit.

[QUOTE=download;51693421]If by better relations you mean "let the Russians walk over countries", sure. Military posturing is part of the diplomacy toolkit.[/QUOTE] if you read the article or any of his quotes then you'd see this isn't what he said at all.

[QUOTE=download;51693421]If by better relations you mean "let the Russians walk over countries", sure. Military posturing is part of the diplomacy toolkit.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of other (better) ways of tackling Russia's aggression issues than planting nukes on their doorstep.

I don't really trust Corbyn's opinion when it comes to foreign relations considering he opposed the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1985, which laid some of the foundations for peace in Northern Ireland. Other than that, I don't know what really to think of Britain's politics other than Sturgeon seems to have her head screwed on, May is crazy, Corbyn isn't a good opposition leader and Labour has lost it's way, and their policies and attitudes towards Northern Ireland are laughable and could lead to trouble down the road for both us in the Republic and in Northern Ireland.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;51693434]There's plenty of other (better) ways of tackling Russia's aggression issues than planting nukes on their doorstep.[/QUOTE] Such as?

[QUOTE=Crumpet;51693433]if you read the article or any of his quotes then you'd see this isn't what he said at all.[/QUOTE] noticing a trend where 90% of people whom disagree with corbyn's policies haven't actually read his exact words and just go off of tabloid headlines and chinese whispers

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;51693474]noticing a trend where 90% of people whom disagree with corbyn's policies haven't actually read his exact words and just go off of tabloid headlines and chinese whispers[/QUOTE] It's been that way since the very start with the Tories calling him a terrorist sympathiser. :/

[QUOTE=Shadow801;51693434]There's plenty of other (better) ways of tackling Russia's aggression issues than planting nukes on their doorstep.[/QUOTE] "Planting nukes on their doorstep."? It's a small, defensively-minded deployment of troops to an allied country understandably worried about sharing a border with Russia given recent history. Let's not make Russia out to be a victim of NATO aggression here.

[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;51693474]noticing a trend where 90% of people whom disagree with corbyn's policies haven't actually read his exact words and just go off of tabloid headlines and chinese whispers[/QUOTE] This is true. I have supported Corbyn since a few months before the last leadership election. However, I am now leaning towards the idea that another leader should take his place. During the leadership election he was strong, and is still strong during PMQs. Unfortunately it's too late for his perceived image. I believe the main issue is that he is caught between a rock and hard place: he can't support one side of Brexit without disappointing the other. The mistake he has made is that he has not made that difficult decision. You can't please everyone with Brexit. He needs to either be in or all out. If he is out: he'll disappoint his own membership and supporters as well as the 48%. If he is in: he'll disappoint the 52% and every potential voter that leans towards the centre-right and the right. It's too late now. He is pleasing nobody, and even a u-turn won't fix that. People don't vote for luke warm. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=RVFHarrier;51693509]"Planting nukes on their doorstep."? It's a small, defensively-minded deployment of troops to an allied country understandably worried about sharing a border with Russia given recent history. Let's not make Russia out to be a victim of NATO aggression here.[/QUOTE] I never said Russia is a victim. Neither did Corbyn. Both are guilty (Russia quite clearly more-so since they actually annexed a country).

[QUOTE=Shadow801;51693434]There's plenty of other (better) ways of tackling Russia's aggression issues than planting nukes on their doorstep.[/QUOTE] Nato aren't planting nukes on their doorstep. Nato's nukes are in exactly the same spot they've been in for 60 odd years. Nato is conducting training exercises in Nato counties that are comparatively very small compared to the exercises Russia hold on their borders shared with Nato nations.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;51693434]There's plenty of other (better) ways of tackling Russia's aggression issues than planting nukes on their doorstep.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware we had nukes on Russia's doorstep. Source please.

So just like Trump, Corbyn wants a softer solution with Russia and is pro brexit. Huh, makes you wander when a document is leaked that has got some alleged proof that Corbyn has got some link with the current Russian government.

[QUOTE=TheNukeNL;51693607]So just like Trump, Corbyn wants a softer solution with Russia and is pro brexit. Huh, makes you wander when a document is leaked that alleges Corbyn has got some link with the current Russian government.[/QUOTE] yeah, the key difference between the two being their motives for wanting these things could not be more different. [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] up there with the worst equivalences ive seen on here.

Didn't I say? you tolerate this kind of bullshit "outsider politicians are collaborating with scary foreigners" stuff being used by the establishment against someone like "nasty" Trump that it would inevitably be used against "nice" outsider politicians on the left like Corbyn. Just watch the Dem primaries for 2020, they're gonna throw this kind of BS at whoever comes along to be Sanders 2.0. We cannot let McCarthyism become cool again just because in the short term it may help get rid of a guy some people don't like.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;51693632]Didn't I say? you tolerate this kind of bullshit "outsider politicians are collaborating with scary foreigners" stuff being used by the establishment against someone like "nasty" Trump that it would inevitably be used against "nice" outsider politicians on the left like Corbyn. Just watch the Dem primaries for 2020, they're gonna throw this kind of BS at whoever comes along to be Sanders 2.0. We cannot let McCarthyism become cool again just because in the short term it may help get rid of a guy some people don't like.[/QUOTE] you're deluded if you think peoples criticisms of Trump are unfair scaremongering or not based in truth, need I link you to a thread you posted in the other day on this topic? that being said I agree with the second half of your post.

Left wing politician accused of collaborating with Russia. Things really haven't chance much since the cold war.

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[QUOTE=Whoaly;51693632] Just watch the Dem primaries for 2020, they're gonna throw this kind of BS at whoever comes along to be Sanders 2.0.[/QUOTE] What Democrat that could feasibly run in 2020 has refused to recognize Crimea, has called Putin a stronger leader than the US president, has a lot of financial investment in Russia, and would appoint an oil CEO who received the Order of Friendship from Putin? This shit ain't happening in a vacuum.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51695196]What Democrat that could feasibly run in 2020 has refused to recognize Crimea, has called Putin a stronger leader than the US president, has a lot of financial investment in Russia, and would appoint an oil CEO who received the Order of Friendship from Putin? This shit ain't happening in a vacuum.[/QUOTE] None of those things apply to Jeremy Corbyn, and they may well not apply to a Sanders type figure either, but they'll do it anyway. Also none of the stuff you mentioned makes it anymore OK when it's happening to Trump.

[QUOTE=Whoaly;51695240]None of those things apply to Jeremy Corbyn, and [B]they[/B] may well not apply to a Sanders type figure either, but[B] they'll[/B] do it anyway. Also none of the stuff you mentioned makes [B]it[/B] anymore OK when it's happening to Trump.[/QUOTE] Who is they and who is it and can you answer my question? [editline]19th January 2017[/editline] We aren't talking about Corbyn. You specifically mentioned Sanders 2.0, presumably an outsider Democrat. I'm wondering which Democrat could feasibly be painted as pro-Russia as Trump and I can't think of any. The illuminati isn't controlling the flow of information and making otherwise rational people spontaneously believe the Red Menace is coming to take over, it's the fact that Trump is the most pro-Russian politician we have had in many years and it just so happens that he has a lot invested in Russia and appointed an otherwise thoroughly unqualified oil CEO to Secretary of State who also coincidentally has a lot invested in Russia.