• Capcom: 'Once upon a time, you were a scrub too'
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[url]http://www.computerandvideogames.com/360937/future-capcom-titles-will-help-casual-gamers-take-the-next-step/[/url] In regards to their future endeavors [quote]We are currently seeing a resurgence of fighting games, but are they too focused on the advanced player, leaving the casual gamer behind? Fighting games need to be balanced so they are challenging enough for the tournament players, but engaging and fun for the mass market. Properly balancing a game is a difficult process and some casual gamers still feel left out. Over at the Capcom US forums, one user felt that while he enjoyed Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition and Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3, there was no effective teaching tool to help him progress to advanced moves, leaving him unable to go further. Christian Svensson, Capcom's US Senior Vice-President, replied to the post explaining, "we try to take into account non-competitive level players so that they can enjoy these games too. I'd say we have varying levels of success in making sure there's enough content and fun in the mechanics even if you don't know how to plink, FADC or DHC. SFxT was intended to be a bit more casual friendly." Svensson went on to say that he agrees that Capcom has "not done a good job of truly teaching new players about the basics of fighting game strategy in our current crop of titles," and that, "in future titles, this is an area that I hope that our teams will take more time with as I view them as critical to the expansion of the fighting game audience." [B]While Svensson is aware that the competitive gaming community will likely "scoff" at teaching new players, he believes "the community needs to be accepting of new players too." He reminds the advanced players that "scrubs are just players who don't yet have the same experience or knowledge that you do. And remember, once upon a time, you were a scrub too"[/B] If Svensson's post is to be believed he leaves us with hope that in the future Capcom titles will "provide the right tools for new players to learn enough that they're motivated to take the "next steps" in their developing love for fighting games."[/quote] Well, nice of them to say it so boldly.
For some reason I've never expected someone from a huge company like Capcom to ever say "scrub". [quote] if you don't know how to [b]plink, FADC or DHC[/b][/quote] ...what?
[quote] he believes "the community needs to be accepting of new players too." He reminds the advanced players that "scrubs are just players who don't yet have the same experience or knowledge that you do. And remember, once upon a time, you were a scrub too" [/quote] This oh god this. I have been infuriated when people treat new players like trash for not magically knowing how to do some of the complicated bits of the game because they were newbies at one point as well.
From a casual gamer's perspective Capcom is kind of right I've played videogames heavily for around 12 years now and I'm feel I'm reasonably competent in most genres yet every time I pick up a fighting game it feels somewhat like this [img]http://www.idealaunch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/fatso_keyboard_cat.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=legolover122;37028005]This oh god this. I have been infuriated when people treat new players like trash for not magically knowing how to do some of the complicated bits of the game because they were newbies at one point as well.[/QUOTE] This is why I don't play multiplayer and think it's a waste of my money. Too many jackasses that think you have to be absolutely perfect all the time, that can't come to terms with suicide pyros doing so because they just want to see fireworks. 'Tis also why I fucking hate MOBA games by default. I tried LoL once, flat-out told everyone before the match started I just installed the game and therefore had no idea wtf I was doing. They were all "Ok". I barely made it five minutes before they started hurling abuse anyway. So I sabotaged the game as best I could, told them they're a disgrace to humanity, uninstalled, and swore off the entire genre.
I'd appreciate this more if Capcom had any respect for the people who buy their games in the first place.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37028076]'Tis also why I fucking hate MOBA games by default. I tried LoL once, flat-out told everyone before the match started I just installed the game and therefore had no idea wtf I was doing. They were all "Ok". I barely made it five minutes before they started hurling abuse anyway. So I sabotaged the game as best I could, told them they're a disgrace to humanity, uninstalled, and swore off the entire genre.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've avoided MOBAs more because I hate their communities with a passion than because of the games themselves. I'd love to give DOTA 2 a try since I have more faith in the Valve community, but I'd still cautiously optimistic at best. [editline]31st July 2012[/editline] And honestly, I loved Marvel vs. Capcom 3, it was the first fighting game I played in many years. I was shit at it in the beginning, but now I'd like to think I'm pretty damn good at it. Its really just a matter of being given the chance to actually learn the game.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37028122]Yeah, I've avoided MOBAs more because I hate their communities with a passion than because of the games themselves. I'd love to give DOTA 2 a try since I have more faith in the Valve community, but I'd still cautiously optimistic at best.[/QUOTE] It's no different in Dota 2, arguably worse. The thing about aRTS' is that they need every person to be playing their best to win, unlike a fighting game or a 1v1 RTS like Starcraft II where it's all on just you. Hence, people get angry when someone under-preforms.
I would be interested in a new player friendly fighting game. Like most have said, I am well off in any other genre, but anytime I pick up a fighting game I try to figure out a character's moves but I end up better off just dancing on my controller.
[QUOTE=Namaste;37028163]I would be interested in a new player friendly fighting game. Like most have said, I am well off in any other genre, but anytime I pick up a fighting game I try to figure out a character's moves but I end up better off just dancing on my controller.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that mortal combat is supposed to be pretty friendly to newer players.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37028076]This is why I don't play multiplayer and think it's a waste of my money. Too many jackasses that think you have to be absolutely perfect all the time, that can't come to terms with suicide pyros doing so because they just want to see fireworks. 'Tis also why I fucking hate MOBA games by default. I tried LoL once, flat-out told everyone before the match started I just installed the game and therefore had no idea wtf I was doing. They were all "Ok". I barely made it five minutes before they started hurling abuse anyway. So I sabotaged the game as best I could, told them they're a disgrace to humanity, uninstalled, and swore off the entire genre.[/QUOTE] Probably for the best, MOBA's have probably the worst communities known to the universe.
[QUOTE=TestECull;37028076] 'Tis also why I fucking hate MOBA games by default. I tried LoL once, flat-out told everyone before the match started I just installed the game and therefore had no idea wtf I was doing. They were all "Ok". I barely made it five minutes before they started hurling abuse anyway. So I sabotaged the game as best I could, told them they're a disgrace to humanity, uninstalled, and swore off the entire genre.[/QUOTE] MOBA and tab target MMOs are the worst offenders. I just steer clear of MOBAs and don't join any clans in MMOs and only partner up if its with a friend or I need help with a boss fight.
yeah but a scrub is someone who isn't a 'pro/oldie' and acts like one they have a good point but bad wording I guess.
Here is the thing about making fighting games more "casual" or "newbie friendly": a lot of the time it's done by a mechanic in the game itself and while it's meant for new players or people who are not so good at the game in the first place to do better or allow them to do cool things with minimal effort, the pros, the people who are legit good at the game, will find a way to abuse this easy mechanic.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37028122]Yeah, I've avoided MOBAs more because I hate their communities with a passion than because of the games themselves. I'd love to give DOTA 2 a try since I have more faith in the Valve community, but I'd still cautiously optimistic at best. [editline]31st July 2012[/editline] And honestly, I loved Marvel vs. Capcom 3, it was the first fighting game I played in many years. I was shit at it in the beginning, but now I'd like to think I'm pretty damn good at it. Its really just a matter of being given the chance to actually learn the game.[/QUOTE] They have a sort of match-making system and so far I haven't seen much abuse of new players. Then again I don't play too often.
the fighting game genre is so stagnant because the vast majority of the fighting game community dislike changes made to their games and want everything to be the same for the most part anything new or any changes made to newer titles are usually blasted by fighting game fans because it's not to their tastes
I have never played DOTA 2 publically because I'm too afraid that everyone will yell at me for being bad at the game.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37028122]Yeah, I've avoided MOBAs more because I hate their communities with a passion than because of the games themselves. I'd love to give DOTA 2 a try since I have more faith in the Valve community, but I'd still cautiously optimistic at best.[/QUOTE] I could probably learn how to play a MOBA properly, but I'm too nervous to play in an actual match because there's way too much pressure on you to be the absolute best player possible which just makes me not want to play at all.
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[QUOTE=DireAvenger;37028229]I have never played DOTA 2 publically because I'm too afraid that everyone will yell at me for being bad at the game.[/QUOTE] We need to play some time, I didn't know you had it.
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[QUOTE=LaughingStock;37028176]I'm pretty sure that mortal combat is supposed to be pretty friendly to newer players.[/QUOTE] I must not be meant to play fighting games... I'm simply horrendous at every single one I've picked up. I do decent on single player. I take it to online after thinking I'm good at a character and have my ass thrown around like a ragdoll for a minute.
[QUOTE=J!NX;37028192]yeah but a scrub is someone who isn't a 'pro/oldie' and acts like one they have a good point but bad working I guess.[/QUOTE] To 99% of MOBA and tab target MMO elitists scrub means someone who signed in for the first time ever and doesn't know how to craft an item or how to work a certain other feature of the game.
I have recently purchased Soul Calibur V. Had some fun in the character creator and learned a few basic combos with one character. I then decided that I would learn how to play "properly" and then start trying the online. I found a link to a guide, and upon opening it was greeted with a great epic that would make even the Illiad look like a children's book in comparison. I haven't touched the game since.
[QUOTE=Rellow;37028337]I have recently purchased Soul Calibur V. Had some fun in the character creator and learned a few basic combos with one character. I then decided that I would learn how to play "properly" and then start trying the online. I found a link to a guide, and upon opening it was greeted with a great epic that would make even the Illiad look like a children's book in comparison. I haven't touched the game since.[/QUOTE] SC5 is honestly one of the easier 3d fighting games (and one of my favorites) it's a damn shame the online is dead and not many people play it
I suck mighty Hulk cock at fighting games, it'd be cool to have a game teach me what to do so I don't get my ass handed to me in a fucking doggy bowl
[QUOTE=Rellow;37028337]I have recently purchased Soul Calibur V. Had some fun in the character creator and learned a few basic combos with one character. I then decided that I would learn how to play "properly" and then start trying the online. I found a link to a guide, and upon opening it was greeted with a great epic that would make even the Illiad look like a children's book in comparison. I haven't touched the game since.[/QUOTE] I played a couple weeks ago and online is dead. So there goes all my chances for platinum trophy on THAT game.
[QUOTE=legolover122;37028384]I played a couple weeks ago and online is dead. So there goes all my chances for platinum trophy on THAT game.[/QUOTE] Oh... So I essentially own a brick now. That's nice.
[QUOTE=Rellow;37028418]Oh... So I essentially own a brick now. That's nice.[/QUOTE] Its surprising to me seeing at it was released on january 31st of this year.
the reason why it flopped so hard was because it doesn't have much to offer single player wise it's a very solid game however
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