• Supreme Overlord Putin Again Congratulates Obama on Independence Day
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[QUOTE]Washington (CNN)Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated President Barack Obama on Independence Day and expressed confidence that Russia and the United States can "find solutions" to international issues, the Kremlin said Saturday. In the message, Putin noted that while there are differences between Russia and the United States, "Russian-American relations remain the most important factor of international stability and security." The Kremlin said Putin expressed that the two countries can "find solutions to international issues and efficiently resist global threats and challenges as they base their dialogue on principles of equality and respect of each other's interests." This marks the second correspondence between the two leaders in as many weeks.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/04/politics/putin-obama-independence-day/[/url] This is a Russian Ruse Cruise
[quote]"Russian-American relations remain the most important factor of international stability and security."[/quote] To think that, if for some reason these two countries felt like hammering it out for real they would leave many huge holes on Earth, is kind of scary.
Putin just wants to turn the freezer back on and shove some war in it.
You have to admit though, combined Russian and American forces can fuck up ISIS royally.
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;48124513]You have to admit though, combined Russian and American forces can fuck up ISIS royally.[/QUOTE] It's going to take ISIS doing terrorist attack on Russia before Putin considers sending troops down to the Middle East [editline]5th July 2015[/editline] Russia's always had that "not our problem" mentality, similar to the US in some ways
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;48124513]You have to admit though, combined Russian and American forces can fuck up ISIS royally.[/QUOTE] I would 100% support US/Russian combined forces against ISIS. How that will happen, I have no fucking clue.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48124520]It's going to take ISIS doing terrorist attack on Russia before Putin considers sending troops down to the Middle East [editline]5th July 2015[/editline] Russia's always had that "not our problem" mentality, similar to the US in some ways[/QUOTE] Just tell Putin there's [del]oil[/del] a Russian minority being oppressed by capitalist fascism.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48124520] Russia's always had that "not our problem" mentality, similar to the US in some ways[/QUOTE] The US hasn't had the "not our problem" mentality until recently, and neither has Russia. In fact, the only reason both of us have that attitude is that our interventions in the Cold War fucked us over hard in the long run. After all, the Russians straight up invaded Afghanistan and we basically made Al Qaeda and the Taliban to fight them off. All of the Cold War meddling bullshit between us and Russia is the root of most political problems today.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48124710]The US hasn't had the "not our problem" mentality until recently, and neither has Russia. In fact, the only reason both of us have that attitude is that our interventions in the Cold War fucked us over hard in the long run.[/QUOTE] I may be dumb, but didn't US show that attitude in WWII?
[QUOTE=HumbleTH;48124917]I may be dumb, but didn't US show that attitude in WWII?[/QUOTE] Pretty much, but there are other reasons than not being obligated by morals or treaties. The US army wasn't always at the level it was at today, WW2 pretty much established that route for us. We had to build up to that back in the day, and it took everything we had. Then again that was around 70 years ago, we've been sticking our nose in a lot of things since then.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;48124710]The US hasn't had the "not our problem" mentality until recently, and neither has Russia. In fact, the only reason both of us have that attitude is that our interventions in the Cold War fucked us over hard in the long run.[/QUOTE] The US and Russia have one thing in common. If they aren't openly fucking with things, they're covertly fucking with things. I'd rather we be openly fucking with things, because at least when we're openly fucking with things there can be a degree of oversight.
Im surprised that Russians decided to congratulate Obama for 4th of July, seeing as US didnt for either Russia day or 9th of May.
While I doubt Putin's sincerity, I hope it to be so.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48125170]Im surprised that Russians decided to congratulate Obama for 4th of July, seeing as US didnt for either Russia day or 9th of May.[/QUOTE] I think it's passive-aggressive action more for show to the local russians rather than international relations.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;48125060]I'd rather we be openly fucking with things, because at least when we're openly fucking with things there can be a degree of oversight.[/QUOTE] Plus then foreign relations aren't dickwaving over what may or may not be hotspots or political powderkegs. I wish we could just address our grievances. Cold war was long enough ago and we're not in the McCarthy era anymore, sigh.
[QUOTE=HumbleTH;48124917]I may be dumb, but didn't US show that attitude in WWII?[/QUOTE] World War I taught America that war was horrifying World War II taught America that war was righteous Vietnam taught America that war was pointless Iraq taught America that war has consequences. So that's where we are now.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48125316]World War I taught America that war was horrifying World War II taught America that war was righteous Vietnam taught America that war was pointless Iraq taught America that war has consequences. So that's where we are now.[/QUOTE] What did Korea teach us?
[QUOTE=tempunary;48125327]What did Korea teach us?[/QUOTE] When the conflict is over and a country is occupied, anyone on the Russian's half of the turf will suffer. E: not understanding the funnies, this is how North Korea and the East German bloc were created
All those past wars, just imagine if America finally learned to be neutral with global affairs.
[i]Enjoy independence Amerika... while it lasts.[/i]
[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;48125369]All those past wars, just imagine if America finally learned to be neutral with global affairs.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you might think Vietnam was enough, but then they went for Afghan and Iraq.... At least now it looks sort of quiet.
[QUOTE=HumbleTH;48124917]I may be dumb, but didn't US show that attitude in WWII?[/QUOTE] From the establishment of our country we largely held to a policy of "isolationism" which basically meant we ignored anything that happened in Europe and only involved ourselves in areas around our Country. At first this was basically the US, Canada, and Mexico. Then later we established the Monroe Doctrine which basically said that the US would prevent any European power from meddling in South or North America. This was sold as the US protecting the weaker Countries around us but really it was the US making sure that it would be the strongest Nation of the Americas by preventing European powers from moving in. That leads us into war with Spain, which is really the first war with Europeans we've had that had battles outside of North America, but we still never had any battles in Europe We get oversea territories from this war and it's pretty much what made the US an Empire. We still stuck mostly to ourselves at this point but we did participate in imperialism, like inquiring Hawaii as an example. World War 1 is where the American policy of isolationism dies as we are finally persuaded to join our allies at the very end of the war. It's the result of the war that truly ended isolationism as the American representatives saw the harsh penalties of the Treaty of Versailles and knew that peace in Europe would not be lasting. This is when we tried and failed to create the League of Nations, the precursor to the UN. World War 2 starts very similar to World War 1, we at first remain neutral and trade with both sides, so you are right there. Later we decide to specifically give resources to France and England as loans. It is not until the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that we join in the war, and after that we become one of the strongest countries on the planet, with Russia. Since we both have vastly different ideas on how governments should be structured, we begin the cold war. After the cold war, the aftermath has made both countries less likely to mess around in others affairs, but we both still do when it's in our National interests. TLDR: The US didn't really fuck around outside of the America's until WW1 & WW2 and afterwards we made it our Job.
[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;48124513]You have to admit though, combined Russian and American forces can fuck up ISIS royally.[/QUOTE] Combined, not even working together, we could destroy the planet. That's pretty impressive and scary [editline]5th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=BananaMed;48125374][i]Enjoy independence Amerika... while it lasts.[/i][/QUOTE] Pffft. It was kind of Ironic that I couldn't celebrate Independence Day by shooting fireworks in my own yard. Freedom!
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48124520]It's going to take ISIS doing terrorist attack on Russia before Putin considers sending troops down to the Middle East [editline]5th July 2015[/editline] Russia's always had that "not our problem" mentality, similar to the US in some ways[/QUOTE] I though we had the "lets peck our nose into everything" common mentality with US.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48125541]I though we had the "lets peck our nose into everything" common mentality with US.[/QUOTE] Peter the Great willed it. We're still doing it.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48125316]World War I taught America that war was horrifying World War II taught America that war was righteous Vietnam taught America that war was pointless Iraq taught America that war has consequences. So that's where we are now.[/QUOTE] World War 1 showed everyone war is pointless and does nothing more than send young men to die for king and country, if only everyone after World War 1 realised the true horrors of war and didn't see it as "glorious".
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