• Family who fled after 'warning call' killed outside home
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[quote]When their next-door neighbors received a "warning call" from Israel to evacuate a home in Jabaliya refugee camp, Yousef Qandil and his son Anas fled their property, fearing that they could be killed or injured by shrapnel. Both men took refuge under a tree near the site, awaiting the imminent airstrike which they expected to hit the house, or neighboring properties. Yousef had already sent his wife and younger children to their parents' house to protect them from harm. Moments later, both Yousef and Anas were killed in an airstrike that targeted a group of Gazans sheltering under a tree for protection. Neither their neighbors' home, nor theirs, was hit.[/quote] [url]http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=712373[/url]
In their case, if you get a warning like that, split and run for your life anywhere with NO people. Israelis don't fuck around with ground pounding, they go for people.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45374109]In their case, if you get a warning like that, split and run for your life anywhere with NO people. Israelis don't fuck around with ground pounding, they go for people.[/QUOTE] That's a truly scary thought..
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e3f_1405070933[/url] 'Knock on the roof warning call' Their warning calls seem a bit dangerous as is
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45375504]I thought the whole point of the warnings was to prevent civilian deaths, not maximise the number of dead civilians in a single air strike?[/QUOTE] Israel wants the Palestinians gone. The 'terrorists' are simply a convenient cover.
[QUOTE=Reshy;45375518]Israel wants the Palestinians gone. The 'terrorists' are simply a convenient cover.[/QUOTE] I am pretty sure this is an exaggerated and extremely simplistic and offensive view of the situation there.
[QUOTE=Reshy;45375518]Israel wants the Palestinians gone. The 'terrorists' are simply a convenient cover.[/QUOTE] And at the same time, the rest of middle East wants Israel gone
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;45375540]Holy shit, you basically have less than a minute of warning before they level the place.[/QUOTE] If you read the description, they apparently give them up to an hour most of the time.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;45375540]Holy shit, you basically have less than a minute of warning before they level the place.[/QUOTE] They actually phone up before the knock on the roof as well, usually about 15 minutes before, telling you to evacuate. Then there's the knock on the roof, and 15 minutes to an hour later, they level the place. There's another video which shows the longer delay.
[QUOTE=Emperorconor;45375558]I am pretty sure this is an exaggerated and extremely simplistic and offensive view of the situation there.[/QUOTE] Then why did they target the people and not the building that was supposed to be leveled?
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;45375902]Then why did they target the people and not the building that was supposed to be leveled?[/QUOTE] According to the article: [QUOTE]Moments later, both Yousef and Anas were killed in an airstrike that targeted [B]a group of Gazans sheltering under a tree[/B] for protection.[/QUOTE] It doesn't say anywhere in the article who those other Gazans were, which is surprising considering the amount of detail spent on humanizing the collateral victims of the strike. I don't know. Maybe they were actual militants and the intended targets of the attack, and these civilians just had the misfortune of hiding too close to them? It doesn't say.
Don't really understand how the people who live in Israel can actually think any of the retarded shit their dumb government does is right. Why do you israelis vote for these people in the first place?
[QUOTE=Reshy;45375518]Israel wants the Palestinians gone. The 'terrorists' are simply a convenient cover.[/QUOTE] thats one hell of a claim right there buddy. [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=FalconKrunch;45375902]Then why did they target the people and not the building that was supposed to be leveled?[/QUOTE] probably because they thought they were insurgents pulling munitions out of the house before it got hit.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45376234]probably because they thought they were insurgents pulling munitions out of the house before it got hit.[/QUOTE] "We told these people to flee from being bombed, and now they're fleeing! They must be insurgents, kill them!" Perfect logic right there.
[video=youtube;VTArVIHDelg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTArVIHDelg[/video] [video=youtube;mBkTmfr4oHw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBkTmfr4oHw[/video] [video=youtube;a5kosi4elOE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5kosi4elOE[/video] [video=youtube;OtL5QitoSC0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtL5QitoSC0[/video] [video=youtube;CMO-_qEpgg0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMO-_qEpgg0[/video] [video=youtube;UXZEzbT0H1s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s[/video] There are absolutely no personal or political gains for Israel if they attack civilians Nice biased source.
[QUOTE=Complifused;45376000]Don't really understand how the people who live in Israel can actually think any of the retarded shit their dumb government does is right. Why do you israelis vote for these people in the first place?[/QUOTE] That actually deserves a detailed answer. Israel has a parliamentary system, modeled after your own. That means (for non British readers) Israelis don't vote for a president, they vote for parties, that are then represented in the Knesset relative to the amount of total votes they got. Then the parties need to put together a majority coalition, which will put together the government. In the past Israel had two major parties: the center left Labor, and the center right Likud. Those would usually get most of the votes, and one of which would put together the government. Unfortunately, since both parties have failed to make anything better in the last decade or so, they have lost a lot of votes to smaller parties. The current situation is one where there is no one majority party, and instead a bunch of small parties with vastly different ideologies held together in a shaky coalition. The current government, for example, is composed of the Likud, Israel Beitenu (secular right), Habait Hayehudi (religiuos ultra right), Hatnua (center left) and Yesh Atid (center, and the current largest party). The opposition currently contains the ultra orthodox, the left and the Arab parties. Now, this is a little oversimplifying everything, but generally speaking the government has to pander to all the parties making it up, and there are a lot of compromises going on. Yesh Atid mostly wants economic perks for the middle class, Habait Hayehudi wants more building in the settlements, Hatnua wants negotiations with the Palestinians and Likud/Israel Beitenu mostly want to maintain the status quo, and too look tough on terrorism. As you can imagine, that makes for a mess of a decision making process. Regardless, what I'm saying is that most Israelis do not and did not vote for ultra right wing parties. We mostly voted center (I personally voted left but whatever). It's just that there's a hungry ultra right element in the government and if they don't get their due the coalition will fall apart.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376320] Nice [b]biased[/b] source.[/QUOTE] to be fair you did just post 7 videos released by the IDF themselves, I wouldn't call that unbiased either
To Mordehai, [video=youtube;MKgph9PV3SA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKgph9PV3SA[/video] White phosphorus was also used to prevent civilians casualties? Or you will also deny that Israel used White phosphorous on human beings?
[QUOTE=MisterSjeiks;45376372]to be fair you did just post 7 videos released by the IDF themselves, I wouldn't call that unbiased either[/QUOTE] How is it bias?, IDF is pretty much the only one that provides video of it's claims, while these are nothing but stories. [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Bucketboy;45376417]To Mordehai, [video=youtube;MKgph9PV3SA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKgph9PV3SA[/video] White phosphorus was also used to prevent civilians casualties? Or you will also deny that Israel used White phosphorous on human beings?[/QUOTE] I don't deny this, this actually happened and it's unacceptable. Israel is no longer using white phosphorus.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376421]How is it bias?, IDF is pretty much the only one that provides video of it's claims, while these are nothing but stories.[/quote] It's not like the IDF are going to post videos of themselves killing civilians, especially when they're trying to show themselves off as "the most moral army". And I doubt many civilians are going to pull a Cloverfield and go "oh shit, my house is about to be bombed, let me grab my invincible camera". We're lucky we have the few videos we have of stuff like soldiers shooting at kids.
Why exactly does Israel want to destroy "empty" houses am I missing something?
[QUOTE=Last or First;45376453]It's not like the IDF are going to post videos of themselves killing civilians, especially when they're trying to show themselves off as "the most moral army". And I doubt many civilians are going to pull a Cloverfield and go "oh shit, my house is about to be bombed, let me grab my invincible camera". We're lucky we have the few videos we have of stuff like soldiers shooting at kids.[/QUOTE] There is countless videos of Hamas tv footage, you can watch it live (Al-Aqsa TV) They're filming inside Palestine, I don't deny that if IDF would've shot civilians it would post it on their channel. But alteast, it's providing evidence of its claims to minimize civilians damage. On the other side we only have stories. [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;45376467]Why exactly does Israel want to destroy "empty" houses am I missing something?[/QUOTE] They're not empty, Hamas hides in civilian homes, and sometimes even sets up its firing infrastructure in civilian homes, Hamas is doing this because it knows that Israel doesn't want to damage civilians and uses it to its advantage.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376485] They're not empty, Hamas hides in civilian homes, and sometimes even sets up its firing infrastructure in civilian homes, Hamas is doing this because it know that Israel doesn't want to damage civilians and uses it to its advantage.[/QUOTE] Give me proof or in the IDF's eyes every single human being living in Gaza is Hamas.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376485]There is countless videos of Hamas tv footage, you can watch it live (Al-Aqsa TV) They're filming inside Palestine, I don't deny that if IDF would've shot civilians it would post it on their channel. But alteast, it's providing evidence of its claims to minimize civilians damage. On the other side we only have stories. [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] They're not empty, Hamas hides in civilian homes, and sometimes even sets up its firing infrastructure in civilian homes, Hamas is doing this because it knows that Israel doesn't want to damage civilians and uses it to its advantage.[/QUOTE] So they destroy civilian homes, and Hamas moves to another house and the civilians are left with fuck all. At least in Israel they have bomb shelters.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;45376508]Give me proof or in the IDF's eyes every single human being living in Gaza is Hamas.[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;45376514]So they destroy civilian homes, and Hamas moves to another house and the civilians are left with fuck all. At least in Israel they have bomb shelters.[/QUOTE] What do you want Israel to do, just fold its hands and let Hamas shoot rockets? [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] If Israel really didn't care about civilian damage, there would be no more Hamas or Palestinians in Gaza, there would be no more Gaza, everyone would be dead.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376515]Are you retarded? [editline]13th July 2014[/editline] What do you want Israel to do, just fold its hands and let Hamas shoot rockets?[/QUOTE] Actually come up with a long term peaceful solution that doesn't end in the next morning's headlines being "Israel to build 2000 more homes in Palestine. The long term prognosis on destroying Palestinian homes is nothing but more anti Israel attitude in Palestine.
[QUOTE=Last or First;45376294]"We told these people to flee from being bombed, and now they're fleeing! They must be insurgents, kill them!" Perfect logic right there.[/QUOTE] reread my post, thanks insurgents, and pulling munitions, doesn't imply civilians.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;45376543]Actually come up with a long term peaceful solution that doesn't end in the next morning's headlines being "Israel to build 2000 more homes in Palestine. The long term prognosis on destroying Palestinian homes is nothing but more anti Israel attitude in Palestine.[/QUOTE] There's no way to make peace with Hamas, Hamas wants the destruction of Israel. It doesn't give a shit about Palestinians or negotiations.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376515]Are you retarded?[/QUOTE] No i'm not retarded, sorry to disappoint you. But i'm still waiting for proof.
[QUOTE=Mordehai;45376564]There's no way to make peace with Hamas, Hamas wants the destruction of Israel. It doesn't give a shit about Palestinians or negotiations.[/QUOTE] And Israel wants the destruction of Palestine. Or is there ethical justification for the rampant settlement construction in Palestine as well
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