Marco Rubio calls for overhaul of higher education in U.S, calls current system a 'cartel'.
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[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/r-rubio-calls-us-higher-education-system-a-cartel-urges-overhaul-2015-7[/url]
I'm on my shitty android so I can't(rather I don't know how) copy articles like I can links.
[quote]Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio on Tuesday called for an overhaul of the US higher-education system, saying universities were operating as a "cartel" and were not meeting the needs of students or the economy.
"We do not need timid tweaks to the old system; we need a holistic overhaul," Rubio said in a policy speech in Chicago. "We need to change how we provide degrees, how those degrees are accessed, how much that access costs, how those costs are paid, and even how those payments are determined."
Rubio — who has talked about how his own six figures in student debt affected his family — also proposed automatic income-based repayment for all college graduates. Such plans can peg loan-repayment installments to borrower incomes.[/quote]
[editline]7th July 2015[/editline]
but he's a republican pushing a democratic belief, so
[quote]So far, a breakout has eluded him: A Reuters Ipsos poll showed Rubio drawing support from 9.6% of likely Republican primary voters nationally — behind Bush, the nominal front-runner, and reality-show star and tycoon Donald Trump.[/quote]
He's not wrong. It's leagues cheaper for me to literally fucking pay out of pocket/take student loans and study in another country than it is to stay in this one, even with scholarships.
I agree but it's not only higher education that needs an overhaul. It's literally ALL public education. Kids are still being funneled through a system that was made for kids decades ago who were being taught to work in manufacturing. We don't need that system anymore.
Working in schools, I'm a pretty loud advocate for education reform. So yeah. I'm glad someone's talking about it.
I'm still planning on voting democratic but here's hoping this starts a much needed conversation.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48143158]I don't know how expensive you're talking here but $11KNZD got my course in MCSA/Cisco and A+ with CompTIA in NZ.
If it's any higher then that then christ I guess I got a deal.[/QUOTE]
that's 7K USD
is that per semester? because that's what I have to pay twice a year for four years, driving from home
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48143158]I don't know how expensive you're talking here but $11KNZD got my course in MCSA/Cisco and A+ with CompTIA in NZ.
If it's any higher then that then christ I guess I got a deal.[/QUOTE]
hahaha my college is around $20k a semester, $40k a year, $160k for a degree
that's just tuition, not room and board or meal plans or books or anything
[QUOTE=bitches;48143185]that's 7K USD
is that per semester? because that's what I have to pay twice a year for four years, driving from home[/QUOTE]
I pay 10k per semester after scholarships and grants for a relatively cheap private school in the US
I'm on the cheaper end of tuition but I've still paid $6400 for community college and now my tuition in uni per semester is about $3-4k. I'm running entirely off of grants and loans since I have no money.
Probably will have about $20k in debt by the time I'm done.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48143211]hahaha my college is around $20k a semester, $40k a year, $160k for a degree
that's just tuition, not room and board or meal plans or books or anything[/QUOTE]
Are you going to an Ivy League school or CalArts or something??? Jfc.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48143215]holy
fucking
shite thats dumb expensive[/QUOTE]
welcome to the USA
I got a renewable $12k a year merit scholarship so that will drop down to $112k if I manage to renew it yearly, plus I'm picking up plenty of smaller $500-$2k scholarships to help and I'll be working through college
plus my parents saved up a lot so I'm in fine shape. I wouldn't be going to this school if I had to take loans - I'd go to a state college where it'd cost me maybe $10k a semester.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;48143221]Some of my friends, while talking about studying abroad , when I tell them how expensive higher education in Anglo-Saxon countries (especially USA), tell that if you are really successful scholarships do pay off and costs may even be lower than some other no-cost countries like Germany since scholarships often pay for living costs too.
Is that correct? I'm just curious, this is still wrong since not only exceptional students are entitled to study higher education, everybody successful enough should be able to afford it.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I don't think "successful" should play a part in it. I think everyone should have the opportunity to go to college or get a higher education. But scholarships are rarer than they make them sound and financial aid has so many stipulations that getting anything at all is such a crapshoot.
Not everyone hits the scholarship/aid lotto, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=bitches;48143185]that's 7K USD
is that per semester? because that's what I have to pay twice a year for four years, driving from home[/QUOTE]
sweet beby jesus christ on a bike, thats expensive as FUCK
most people around here pay like 3k € a year for college I think
I didn't go to college or even think about it, because I'd probably fuck it all up, and waste money
[QUOTE=Pascall;48143231]Are you going to an Ivy League school or CalArts or something??? Jfc.[/QUOTE]
it's a very good, small private university with an astoundingly low teacher-student ratio that my parents both went to so I was pressured into attending it
I won't be in debt but yeah I could've picked cheaper options
[QUOTE=Pascall;48143231]Are you going to an Ivy League school or CalArts or something??? Jfc.[/QUOTE]
I was going to go to Clarkson university in new York state which isn't a ivy league school and has similar tuition. A lot of private schools are outrageously expensive
[QUOTE=Pascall;48143218]I'm on the cheaper end of tuition but I've still paid $6400 for community college and now my tuition in uni per semester is about $3-4k. I'm running entirely off of grants and loans since I have no money.
Probably will have about $20k in debt by the time I'm done.[/QUOTE]
This is what turns me off so much when I look at the education system. I graduated high school with good enough grades to get into a nice school, but I can't pay for it. Even working full time, I can't afford that plus rent plus food. So by the time I graduate, I'll be in a pretty decent amount of debt. I look at my friends that have graduated with 4 year degrees and financially, they're no better off than me purely because they have to deal with that debt.
I'm absolutely getting a degree because it's better in the long term, but something like education shouldn't be bleeding people dry.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;48143258]I was going to go to Clarkson university in new York state which isn't a ivy league school and has similar tuition. A lot of private schools are outrageously expensive[/QUOTE]
but they don't have fucking lecture halls except in classes like psych 101, which is a lifesaver for me because I remember powerpoint slides for about 10 minutes and it's gone forever. discussion-focused classes and way more hands-on educational time being prioritized over "here's info, take test, pass, done" is basically essential to me actually learning anything worthwhile
I got my $17.1K USD per year tuition fully paid for through a scholarship. Still have about $10k a year in fees, though.
After graduating from state college, I left school with a fine piece of paper, a STEM degree with no job, and $60,000 in debt, and a bumper sticker.
The bumper sticker did look nice on my hand-me down junker while I worked in retail though. I'm not that bad off now, but I'm making a good 20k less per year then what I anticipated with a computer engineering degree. I still don't make enough to be financially independent, given I pay a house note's worth of loan payments every month in the hope I'll be out from this burden by the time I hit 35.
Man I couldn't afford the private schools here! There's a few but they're so fucking expensive.
But man nice work to the people who are actually going! Especially if you won't be in debt. That's sweet.
I'm just at a state university, but it's like five minutes from my house so I can live at home. Might as well. My parents pay the majority of my bills as long as I'm in school. I still have to make a car payment and buy my own groceries but it's a sweet deal so I'm not complaining.
i've regularly considered taking a plumbing/electrician/woodworking/auto mechanic apprenticeship instead of going to college.
you learn immediately applicable skills, you are essentially guaranteed a job if you're a decent worker, and by the time you're in your mid-late 30's you're making six figures so long as you can work hard.
the entire "a diploma guarantees a good job!" is dead. if I'm not working in the field I major in within about 2-3 years of graduating, I'm taking an apprenticeship and forgetting I ever had a diploma.
I'm trying to start my own business/non-profit, personally. My degree is basically a back up for if that doesn't work out.
Unversities has gotten alot more expensive while the gurantee of a job has gone down. Paying 25k for tution anf then paying another 10k for housing and then another 5k for books is just insane.
Isn't also true that US is being less and less seen as the place to study in?
I don't think I've bought books in forever. I just find people who already have them either irl or online and I borrow them then give em back. Or I just go to the library and get copies of what I need.
Fuck paying a whole grand for books that I sometimes don't even use. Pointless.
my college education is free heh
[editline]7th July 2015[/editline]
and im in fucking poland
My total per year (tuition and board, books are free) is ~$18,000 My family has no money, and the last two years were financially awkward that I'm not getting much out of government so I'm going to be sitting on private loans. When I'm done I'll around $100k in debt. On multiple occasions I have considered dropping out in favor of community college or personal study. The prospect of six figure debt is terrifying.
I dont understand why people go to private universities instead of a state college.
employers don't give a shit where you went to school
if you have to pay more than 1k per class before scholarships, grants, etc you are being screwed.
I honestly hope something is done with higher education in the future, because right now it's gonna be fucked to get into colleges, or universities even. especially with how outrageous prices are for some of 'em. I've tried a few colleges, some in Texas and a few near me, and they are pretty pricy. And with what I want to do, I'd have to deal with the prices. And it comes down to good scholarships and student loans which can be good and bad.
It's fucked to have to add on how much a certain school is along with what they provide, etc. Makes looking forward to the future a pain, at least for me.
People should go to community college more.
A lot of people just jump feet-first into college still needing gen-eds and such while paying out the ass for books on all of that.
At the college I go to (part time, full time come 2016 fall), I'll be able to get an associates for a fraction of the cost that most universities demand from you. I can rent textbooks for a tiny [I]tiny[/I] fee (at most $40 a pop) and I'm not having to shovel out money for room and board.
I'm not saying you can get all of your education from community colleges, no. But you can get a huge chunk of what you'd be doing later on (gen-eds) for what essentially amounts to chump change in terms of what current colleges want.
[QUOTE=Major_Vice;48143324]After graduating from state college, I left school with a fine piece of paper, a STEM degree with no job, and $60,000 in debt, and a bumper sticker.
The bumper sticker did look nice on my hand-me down junker while I worked in retail though. I'm not that bad off now, but I'm making a good 20k less per year then what I anticipated with a computer engineering degree. I still don't make enough to be financially independent, given I pay a house note's worth of loan payments every month in the hope I'll be out from this burden by the time I hit 35.[/QUOTE]
I have a masters degree in CS and it cost me literally zero (if you don't count food and stuff).
First year was 1000€. Then I got two years free because I was among 10% best students and I got a bit more than 1000€ trough scholarship. Fourth year was also free because everybody get's the first year of major course for free, and the fifth I had to pay for 1000€ because I was repeating it.
Tl;dr: the scholarship covered all the 2000€ I had to pay.
[QUOTE=meppers;48143626]I dont understand why people go to private universities instead of a state college.
employers don't give a shit where you went to school
if you have to pay more than 1k per class before scholarships, grants, etc you are being screwed.[/QUOTE]
A lot of companies have preferred universities actually. Especially with hedge funds and upper banking positions.
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