What if an entire population is trained in self defense?
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Israel is close to this; how do you think a country with a population trained in martial arts from preschool throughout college would work out?
Like I said, israel is close to this, but the majority of the population receives training at the age of 18; not as a child.
How would it affect crime? Relationships? Government?
I think everyone would be pretty well mannered most of the time and probably would have great respect for each other and what not. I think the government would be well to listen to its people, knowing that its whole population would be able to rise up and be effective in a riot. Probably wouldnt be much theft or muggings since everyone would be able to counter and what not.
I feel like at earlier ages there may be a likelihood of children being more violent, it wouldn't take kids long before they start playing king of the hill in their classes and picking on the kids that aren't doing well. And if training was nationalized we'd be talking classes of 50 kids per student, at least from the get-go. Of course as they got older they'd become more respectful, depending on how long they follow through on the training. People would be a lot more tentative to fight since a serious one would get dangerously bloody, as compared to one between two untrained people.
That, and Little League UFC.
Rather is an entire population was trained to fight, it would be in the best interest of the state and the welfare of it's population to also try to raise unity and ungoaded cooperation, of where people would look out for one another and rather see themselves moreso as a single species (which we are) instead of a single species divided and classified into so called "Races".
If an entire populaiton was trained to fight there would be an increase of health towards the individual and a healthy society as a whole, for a usual requirement that is mandated by most societies of "trained in the art of self defense" is also to have a body capable of it.
But rather would the training in self defence be uniform or free, where in the former everyone would be taught wrestling, where as the latter everyone would be given a required choice of what they wish to go into?
If the self defense training of society would be focused more so on submission moves and movement inhibiting moves then rather society itself would become less violent although more efficient in how it conducts itself, rather if it was focused on stand-up fights where one is expected to do much more damage aswell as avoid being hurt then society would see itself sliding the other way where the ability is not to restrict the assailant but rather to make him so wounded that he cannot fight back then society will see more hospital visits and more damaging results.
If everyone was trained in self defense, people would strategize to get around that self-defense and make the training obsolete and it'd be ever-changing.
It'd be a hell of a lot more useful than learning a language in kindergarten. I can just see the crime and obesity rates plummeting. Besides the physical aspects, training everyone in self-defense would be good for the mind too: self-reliance, willpower, and arguably greater respect for and cooperation with peers and seniors. I'd like to see exactly how this would affect a society before putting it in place but I can't think of any drawbacks besides maybe internet sensationalists.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;35311102]Rather is an entire population was trained to fight, it would be in the best interest of the state and the welfare of it's population to also try to raise unity and ungoaded cooperation, of where people would look out for one another and rather see themselves moreso as a single species (which we are) instead of a single species divided and classified into so called "Races".
If an entire populaiton was trained to fight there would be an increase of health towards the individual and a healthy society as a whole, for a usual requirement that is mandated by most societies of "trained in the art of self defense" is also to have a body capable of it.
But rather would the training in self defence be uniform or free, where in the former everyone would be taught wrestling, where as the latter everyone would be given a required choice of what they wish to go into?
If the self defense training of society would be focused more so on submission moves and movement inhibiting moves then rather society itself would become less violent although more efficient in how it conducts itself, rather if it was focused on stand-up fights where one is expected to do much more damage aswell as avoid being hurt then society would see itself sliding the other way where the ability is not to restrict the assailant but rather to make him so wounded that he cannot fight back then society will see more hospital visits and more damaging results.[/QUOTE]
Ground fighting is 90% of fighting but if you're going to teach someone genuine self defense, they are going to learn moves that will do more than subdue the opponent. Even ground fighting has a whole slew of dangerous moves, hell I have no idea how to break and arm while standing, but get the fight on the ground and I can get cracking (no pun intended).
My point is fighting will always be dangerous, making people think once or twice before starting one is what'll reduce injuries. And I'm of a mind like CanadianBill's, if everyone knows how to fight at least a little, than nothing changes on a relative scale. People who are bigger and stronger will still have the ability to pick on those that are smaller (Albeit at higher risk).
I think I get your mean on the first paragraph, that having such a widespread pastime would unite a nation, but its not like school being compulsory has united many. Even Football is something not everyone connects on, although most have played it as kids at some time or another (that's something I feel like a lot of Facepunchers can relate to)
Self defense won't do shit against any weapon.
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Crime = Unaffected
Relationships = What..?
Government = Wait, what?
Think of the council fights.
Jokes aside, it would be actually great. Not sure about crimes and street fights though. If they won't teach how to punch, and stay back from the line of "Self-Defense", it would be useful
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;35317052]Self defense won't do shit against any weapon.
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Relationships = What..?
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crime unaffected? it would be similar to gun control- you'll think twice about robbing someone, they may just know how to smear you across the wall with their left foot.
Relationships; think about domestic abuse. A woman will be able to defend herself, possibly.
The whole idea of everyone knowing everyone else has an unknown capability of self defense is a great deterrent against violence and crime.
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Think about the Cold war; russia and the united states. They poked and prodded but never exploded because they knew the opposition was skilled and well armed.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;35317052]Self defense won't do shit against any weapon.
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If you stop and think hard about how it could affect those things then it makes sense.
But then again, Relationships seems like its pushing it, but at the same time I understand where he was going with that. I've been in Taekwondo and I'm close to getting my black belt. It's just something good all around. Makes you a better person.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;35322304]If you stop and think hard about how it could affect those things then it makes sense.
But then again, Relationships seems like its pushing it, but at the same time I understand where he was going with that. I've been in Taekwondo and I'm close to getting my black belt. It's just something good all around. Makes you a better person.[/QUOTE]
Not only this, but most martial arts and techniques promote that you stay to yourself and only use it in self defense. And you're more so trained to stop when you beat the shit out of the guy and he can't get up than rather go in bashing his head against the concrete.
I think of this like I do google maps in terms of expecting what self defense would mean of a whole society vs government. The government must have something at least twice as superior, for the common man to be able to go to a website, and see satellite feed -- so I think of what kind of Kung-Fu Magic the government would be teaching their employees, if the people would have basic Kung-Fu abilities.
Honestly it is a good idea, I would really like if more countries would develop an education for civilians consisting of first aid, some self-defense, engineering and some other nifty stuff that might help during bad times.
Switzerland does this in a great way.
[QUOTE=Amplar;35310284]Israel is close to this; how do you think a country with a population trained in martial arts from preschool throughout college would work out?
Like I said, israel is close to this, but the majority of the population receives training at the age of 18; not as a child.
How would it affect crime? Relationships? Government?[/QUOTE]
Krav Maga is hardly a 'Martial Art'. It's a form of self-defense and offensive training.
It's more about brutalizing your opponent before he attacks you, whereas Wing Chun, for example, actually teaches you discipline and moderation over your body.
It would be cool but think about teens/children, it really wouldn't take much to set them off into a fight.
It happens today right?
Shit could get very bad very quickly, school fights could become almost fatal.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;35311102]Rather is an entire population was trained to fight, it would be in the best interest of the state and the welfare of it's population to also try to raise unity and ungoaded cooperation, of where people would look out for one another and rather see themselves moreso as a single species (which we are) instead of a single species divided and classified into so called "Races".
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Bad idea. I can see it now: A nation full of confidence courses.
[QUOTE=Amplar;35322221]crime unaffected? it would be similar to gun control- you'll think twice about robbing someone, they may just know how to smear you across the wall with their left foot. [/QUOTE]
I don't see how it would help at all? If I have a pistol, it doesn't matter whether you are a kung fu master from the mountains of China or if you're a fat fuck. I have a pistol. I will shoot you if you don't cooperate. If anything it will only endanger the victims even more, since the robbers must be extra alert and impulsive. It's just more dangerous and will cause more victims.
[QUOTE=Amplar;35322221]Relationships; think about domestic abuse. A woman will be able to defend herself, possibly. [/QUOTE]
Domestic violence is much more complicated than simply one individual being stronger than another.
And it's not like "oh, my husband/wife is hitting me, but I can fend off the blows, so everything is fine!"
And again, it doesn't matter if a woman knows all the martial arts in the world if she's married to a buff man who could snap her neck in an instance. You seem to think that someone who knows martial arts become a super hero Jackie Chan-style.
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