[highlight][B]STOP, ANTI-GUN PEOPLE READY TO PUT THIS THREAD TO THE TEST SHOULD READ THIS FIRST [URL]http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf[/URL][/B][/highlight]
It's also a good read for you pro-gun people.
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Hello everyone, this is the biggest firearm thread is currently available. Try to keep this thread away from the political bullshit.
[B]WHAT IS A FIREARM?[/B]
A firearm is a device that shoots projectiles at a high velocity with a controlled explosion. Gun may be a commonly used term, but gun is a generalization of cannons, artillery pieces, and autocannons.
[B]WHAT IS A FIREARM USED FOR?[/B]
Firearms are used for three main things: 1. Killing 2. Hunting 3. Sporting (Not in order of usage)
[B]HOW DOES A FIREARM WORK?[/B]
Most modern firearms use a cartridge for containing the[B] propellant[/B], [B]primer[/B], and [B]bullet[/B]. Propellants, which is used to act as gunpowder in the cartridge, is typically made out of these compounds:
The [B]propellant[/B] is typically mixed with a deterrent, something to slow down the burning, allowing for a more controlled burn.[B] Primers[/B], which are used to ignite the propellant, are typically made out of these impact sensitive materials:
- Mercury Fulminate
- Lead Azide
- Potassium Perchlorate
- Diazodinitrophenol
The[B] case[/B], which is used to hold all of the components of the cartridge together, is typically made out of brass (more commonly) or steel (with brass primers). [B]Bullets[/B] are typically made out of lead or steel, and the [B]jacketing[/B] (a metal coating that goes around the bullet) is made out of copper.
Also part of the gun is the action. The action is how the gun loads the cartridge into the chamber, and repeats.In firearms terminology, an action is the physical mechanism that manipulates cartridges and/or seals the breech. The term is also used to describe the method in which cartridges are loaded, locked, and extracted from the mechanism. Actions are generally categorized by the type of mechanism used. A firearm action is technically not present on muzzleloaders as all loading is done by hand. The mechanism that fires a muzzle-loader is called the lock.
[B]Essential Terms:[/B]
Breech: Where the round is chambered
Bore: Inner Diameter of the firearm's barrel
Bolt: Is a piece of metal in the receiver that moves back and forth, striking the primer on the pull of the trigger
[B]Types of Actions:[/B]
There are two types of actions, automatic and manual
[QUOTE]Manual actions:Falling block
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A falling block action is a type of single shot firearm where the opening and closing of the breech is activated by a lever acting directly on the breechblock and lowering it to expose the breech. An example of a firearm using the falling block action are the Martini-Henry and Ruger No. 1. A minor variation is the rolling block where the breechblock is pivoted out of the way.
Revolver
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A revolver houses cartridges in a rotary cylinder and advances them in-line with the bore prior to each shot. Revolvers are most often handguns however examples of rifles and shotguns have been made. The cylinder is most often rotated by manipulation of the trigger and/or hammer although some are semi-automatic using recoil to rotate the cylinder and cock the hammer.
Bolt action
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In bolt action firearms, the opening and closing of the breech is operated manually by a bolt. Opening the breech ejects a cartridge while subsequently closing the breech chambers a new round. The three predominant bolt-action systems are the Mauser, Lee-Enfield, and Mosin-Nagant systems.
Lever-action
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Lever action firearms uses a lever to eject and chamber cartridges. An example of firearms using lever action are the Winchester Repeating Rifle and Marlin Model 1894.
Pump-action
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In pump action or slide action firearms, a grip called the fore end is manually operated by the user to eject and chamber a new round. Pump actions are predominantly found in shotguns. An example of firearms using the pump action are the Remington 870 and Winchester Model 1897
Break-action
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A break action is a type of firearm where the barrel(s) are hinged and can be "broken open" to expose the breech. Multi-barrel break action firearms are usually subdivided into over-and-under or side-by-side configurations for two barrel configurations or "combination gun" when mixed rifle and shotgun barrels are used.
Automatic Actions:
Recoil operation
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Recoil operation is a type of locked-breech firearm action used in semi-automatic and fully-automatic firearms. As the name implies, these actions use the force of recoil to provide the energy to cycle the action.
Examples of recoil operation
Short-recoil: Colt M1911, CZ75, Browning Hi-Power, HK USP, Glock, M2 Browning machine gun, MG42, Ceska Zbrojovka Vz 52, M82
Long-recoil: Browning Automatic Shotgun, Femaru STOP Pistol, Mars Automatic Pistol
Inertia: some Benelli shotguns
Blowback/Blowforward operation
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Blowback operation is a system in which semi-automatic and fully-automatic firearms operate through the energy created by combustion in the chamber and bore acting directly on the bolt face through the cartridge.
Blow-Forward operation is where the firearm has a moving barrel that is forced forward against a spring by the friction of the projectile as means of reloading a fresh round.
Examples of blowback operation
Simple blowback: MP 40, Uzi submachine gun, Walther PPK
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/SBBK-SR_piston-cilinder.PNG[/IMG]
Roller-delayed blowback: SIG 510, HK MP5, HK P9
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Roller_delayed_blowback_action.svg/800px-Roller_delayed_blowback_action.svg.png[/IMG]
Gas-delayed blowback: Volkssturmgewehr 1-5, HK P7, Steyr GB
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/P7_Gas-DBBack.PNG[/IMG]
Lever-delayed blowback: FAMAS, AA-52
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Toggle-delayed blowback: Schwarzlose MG M.07/12 and Pedersen rifle
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Blow-forward: Steyr Mannlicher M1894, Schwarzlose Model 1908
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Blish Lock: early Thompson submachine guns
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Hesitation locked: Remington 51 pistol
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Chamber-ring delayed blowback: Seecamp pistol
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Gas operation
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Gas operation is a system of operation used to provide energy to semi-automatic and fully-automatic firearms. In gas-operation, a portion of high pressure gas from the cartridge being fired is used to extract the spent case and chamber a new cartridge. There are three basic types: long stroke gas piston (where the gas piston goes the same distance as the operating stroke of the action parts, and is often attached to the action parts), short stroke gas piston (where the gas piston goes less than distance as the operating stroke of the action parts), and direct impingement (AKA "direct gas", "gas impingement", where there is no piston, and the gas acts directly on the action parts). A fourth type, now considered obsolete and ineffective, are those systems based on the Bang rifle that utilize a muzzle cap to capture gas after the bullet has left the barrel. While this system is successful in boosting the operating power of recoil operated guns, it is insufficient and too susceptible to fouling for use as the primary operating system.
Examples of gas operation
Short-stroke gas piston: FN FAL, HK G36
Long-stroke gas piston: M1 Garand, AK-47
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Gas-operated_firearm_unifilar_drawing.png/800px-Gas-operated_firearm_unifilar_drawing.png[/IMG]
Direct impingement: M16, AG-42
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Gas trap: Gewehr 41, Bang M1922 rifle
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[/QUOTE]The parts of a rifle are this:
The stock
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The receiver
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The barrel
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I assume most of you know what the stock and the barrel is, so I will only explain the receiver.
Pretty much the receiver is where the the action happens. It is where the cartridge casing is ejected, where the bullet is fired, and where the cartridge is loaded into the chamber. To go into further detail, read this:In firearms terminology, the receiver is the part of a firearm that houses the operating parts. It is sometimes called the body of the firearm, and especially in the context of handguns (revolvers and pistols) it is often called the frame. It is often made of forged or stamped steel or aluminum; in addition to these traditional materials, modern materials science and materials engineering have introduced polymers and sintered metal powders to receiver construction.
With MOST pistols, remove the part about the stock.
[B]
Clip, magazine, what's the difference?[/B]
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Well, pretty much a magazine stores bullets, and the clip holds bullets to go into the magazine (with the exception of the en bloc). To go into further detail, read here:One of the most misused terms in firearms is "Clip".
Depending on how you look at it, it is either amusing or pitiful that writers who consider themselves experts or authorities don't know the difference between a magazine and a Clip.
[QUOTE]A Clip is a very different thing to a magazine and the terms are not interchangeable.
Saying "Clip" when you mean "magazine" is rather like talking about socks when you mean boots.
A magazine can be defined as a container of ammo. A room full of shells on a battleship is a magazine, and so was the Parthenon when it was used as a powder store.
In small arms terms magazine usually refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism. (more of this in a moment).
The ammo Clip was invented in 1885 by Mannlicher and provided a way to place a full load of rounds into a magazine in one action. What many people do not appreciate is that the Clip also forms an integral part of the gun's mechanism. If the rounds are not held in a Clip the gun cannot go through the full cycle of chamber, fire and eject.
[/QUOTE][B]I have heard the term "Battle Rifle" and "Assault Rifle". What's the difference?[/B]
Well, pretty much a the difference is a bigger caliber. The battle rifle is a select-fire rifle that uses a high powered round like the .30-06 or the .308. The assault rifle, on the other hand, uses an intermediate round like the 5.56x45mm NATO or the 7.62x39mm AK round.
Of course, the quote:[QUOTE]A battle rifle is a full-size rifle designed for military use that fires a high-power rifle cartridge such as the U.S. .30-06 Springfield, the German 7.92x57mm IS, the Russian 7.62x54mmR, or the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge. While the term battle rifle is usually given to post-World War II selective-fire infantry service rifles such as the H&K G3, the FN FAL, the AR-10, or the M14, this term can also include older military bolt-action or semi-automatic rifles such as the Mosin Nagant or the M1 Garand.[/QUOTE][IMG]http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g3/g3a3.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE]An assault rifle is loosely defined as a selective fire rifle designed for combat that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK family, G36, FN FNC, and the Steyr AUG.[/QUOTE][IMG]http://guns.yfa1.ru/eng/image/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine.jpg[/IMG]Will update with more fresh content when I think of some. I will be checking the comments daily for more suggestions on how to make the OP better.
How are Calibers measured?
Well first off America uses inches to measure their calibers while Europe uses the scientific metric system.
Okay so the caliber measured by the length of the bullet and diameter of the base.
For example, a 9mm Parabellum bullet would be written as 9x19mm. 9 meaning the diameter base, and the 19 meaning the length of the bullet.
[QUOTE]Loen posted:
It seems for whatever reason, people (mostly weeaboos) get the idea that knives and swords in modern combat still have a practical use for anything more than a utility tool and a last resort weapon. Well let me just say this: They don't. Sure! it's better than nothing, but a modern high capacity autoloading firearm that's easy and quick to reload is superior in just about every single way
I'm going to cover some common arguments and myths regarding this ridiculous idea, Lets start with the common belief and arguement: "Knives and swords don't make noise. Therefore, they're great for stealth kills."
Yes, it is true that knives don't discharge a projectile out faster than the speed of sound resulting in an earpiercing sonic crack that can be heard for miles. However, this is a moot point when used against a man. Why? Let me come up with a scenario to explain:
You slowly and quietly sneak up behind your target (which is really fucking hard to do unless your target is both alone and deaf; which he likely won't be), grasp him (this is assuming he doesn't simply throw you off), and quickly slit his throat (this is assuming you can slit his throat quick enough before he either wrestles you to the ground or throws you off, and you cut deep enough to sever atleast one of the two jugular veins or carotid arteries for a fast enough bleed out rate for him to not simply turn around and have enough time to shoot your dumb ass). A torrential flow of blood immediately gushes out and splatters against the ground below (which is loud unless you're outside and there's a grassy field below to cushion the blood while it's splattering on the ground, which presents another challenge since if you're outside your viable concealment or ambush points are next to nil) and he begins to scream in a combination of pain and terror while choking and gargling on the blood gushing down his throat; alerting everyone near by. Even in an alteration of this where you cover his mouth, he's still making a loud "PFFFFFFFFPFFFT" sound out of the gaping hole.
Not exactly a good strategy. At least with a firearm you can kill someone from a distance and get out of there quicker than having to sneak up and slit their throat open. With a sword it is abit easier to stealthily kill someone assuming it's big and sharp enough to decapitate someone, but you'll still have to get too close for comfort, blood splattering noise, decapitated head hitting the ground, the neck is a small target, you have to do a large swing which will make a loud "SWOOSH" noise; especially if you're doing it with enough force to decapitate someone.
"You don't have to reload with a sword or knife"
Nope. You just have to run up to someone; who is armed, and will be engaging you from a large distance. Even if you're close enough to slash him by surprise and inflict enough damage to effectively stop him (AKA kill him); A firearm does this much much better from a much further range. Overall A scenario like this would be an act of desperation or a last resort. This would also be assuming they're alone and if they aren't, their accomplices are ALSO out of ammo. Which they won't be and even if they are; while you're killing one guy, the rest are reloading and once they are done doing so, they will have the advantage of range and shoot your dumb ass to mince meat.
"Knives and swords inflict a larger wound. Therefore, they are more deadly."
Knife wounds; despite being relatively large and generally very nasty looking, they are amost always superficial; rarely if ever cutting past even a few measly centimeters. Cutting muscular tissue will hurt like all hell and cripple the affected area or limb, but it won't effectively STOP someone. Even when stabbing the only thing that's happening is it's splitting the flesh. Firearm projectiles; unless it's a small pocket pistol caliber will easily go entirely or near entirely through the body. They don't cut a hole through the flesh either, they quite literally PUNCH a hole into the flesh along with the hydrostatic pressure exerted from this crushing, tearing, and generally mangling the surrounding tissues to hell and back. Moreso if it's a higher caliber.
This hydrostatic pressure can also cause damage to nervous tissues; which with most reasonable calibers can cause large areas to become numb and temporarily paralyzed. This same pressure if close enough to the head; such as the upper arms or chest, can cause the person to be atleast disoriented or go unconscious due to it causing disruption within the central nervous system. If it's enough energy or even closer, it can cause brain haemorrhaging (bleeding) or immediate death.
Knives don't exert any sort of hydrostatic pressure that exerts from the force of the wound cavity being created, they simply split the tissues. Unless the heart or central nervous system is damaged, repeated stabbing will be required to effectively stop someone and unless you are stronger and know what you're doing with a knife, there will be a hard time determining who won at the end of the fight since that knife will end up being used against you.
Swords can accomplish generally deeper and nastier wounds along with being able to pierce through and through, but that's a moot point since just like knives; they simply split the flesh and don't exert any sort of pressure major enough to cause bodily harm extending from the wound.
Besides, why would you use a sword or knife for combat when you have a firearm; which has the advantage of both range, ease of use, and firepower? Are you a dumb ass?
"If knives are so useless, then why do Militaries around the world still issue them?"
Utilitarian purposes and last resort defense, that's why. Knives can be used for anything ranging from box cutting to a screwdriver. They're a pretty convenient tool to have, and should push come to shove; are better than your fists in a last resort combat situation. Other then that, firearms; atleast modern ones, are superior in every single way. Sure, back in the day of matchlocks and flintlocks they had a use. Of course, that was before firearms had a capacity of at least six and typically around 30 for rifles, were very accurate, and were very quick and easy to reload. With the advent of easy to use, autoloading, high capacity small arms, the usefulness of knives dropped to nil for anything more than what I just stated earlier. Thinking otherwise is not only weeabooistic, but total dumbassery.
You can't accidentally seriously cut yourself with a firearm either.[/QUOTE][B]PROPER GUN SAFETY ACCORDING TO THE NRA[/B]
[QUOTE]The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:
1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.
When using or storing a gun, always follow these NRA rules:
Know your target and what is beyond.
Be absolutely sure you have identified your target beyond any doubt. Equally important, be aware of the area beyond your target. This means observing your prospective area of fire before you shoot. Never fire in a direction in which there are people or any other potential for mishap. Think first. Shoot second.
Know how to use the gun safely.
Before handling a gun, learn how it operates. Know its basic parts, how to safely open and close the action and remove any ammunition from the gun or magazine. Remember, a gun's mechanical safety device is never foolproof. Nothing can ever replace safe gun handling.
Be sure the gun is safe to operate.
Just like other tools, guns need regular maintenance to remain operable. Regular cleaning and proper storage are a part of the gun's general upkeep. If there is any question concerning a gun's ability to function, a knowledgeable gunsmith should look at it.
Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.
Only BBs, pellets, cartridges or shells designed for a particular gun can be fired safely in that gun. Most guns have the ammunition type stamped on the barrel. Ammunition can be identified by information printed on the box and sometimes stamped on the cartridge. Do not shoot the gun unless you know you have the proper ammunition.
Wear eye and ear protection as appropriate.
Guns are loud and the noise can cause hearing damage. They can also emit debris and hot gas that could cause eye injury. For these reasons, shooting glasses and hearing protectors should be worn by shooters and spectators.
Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
Alcohol, as well as any other substance likely to impair normal mental or physical bodily functions, must not be used before or while handling or shooting guns.
Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun safety rules.
Be aware that certain types of guns and many shooting activities require additional safety precautions.
Cleaning
Regular cleaning is important in order for your gun to operate correctly and safely. Taking proper care of it will also maintain its value and extend its life. Your gun should be cleaned every time that it is used.
A gun brought out of prolonged storage should also be cleaned before shooting. Accumulated moisture and dirt, or solidified grease and oil, can prevent the gun from operating properly.
Before cleaning your gun, make absolutely sure that it is unloaded. The gun's action should be open during the cleaning process. Also, be sure that no ammunition is present in the cleaning area.[/QUOTE]
[B]BULLPUPPERY:
[/B]A bullpup is a weapon which the reciever is positioned behind the grip. Typically this leaves the gun with a shorter profile, allowing better controlliblity and a longer barrel, but also with (sometimes) a horrendous trigger pull. It does not only apply to rifles, as bushmaster made a bullpup pistol, called the armpistol.
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Here's two of Bean-O's fabulous threads.
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=763880[/URL] - Fantastic Firearms
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=649373[/URL] - Weaboo Weaponry
[B]Good Gun Websites:
[/B]world.guns.ru
calguns.net
gunbroker.com
gunsamerica.com
[URL]http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/[/URL]
(list will expand)
This thread is lacking in pictures. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;20810694]This thread is lacking in pictures. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
I said picture are coming soon.
^ best gun evur
lol jk its actually the awp
[IMG]http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ai-awp762.jpg[/IMG]
[img]http://www.lneilsmith.org/pictures/amt_side1s.JPG[/img]
AMT Hardballer Longslide .45
[img]http://www.outsidecontext.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/terminator.jpg[/img]
Yeah motherfucker.
Also the Spas-12, because it's so impractical it's awesome.
[img]http://althouseonline.com/websitephotos/shootingvideos/spas12.JPG[/img]
And it's pwetty :3
this is a terrible wikipedia copy/paste thread for creepy gun nerds
[QUOTE=Soviet Beef;20810951]this is a terrible wikipedia copy/paste thread for creepy gun nerds[/QUOTE]
:frog:
I still don't like you.
[img]http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Machine-Guns/GE_XM214_Minigun-2.jpg[/img]
dude best gun ever
Not that long ago I was working on plans for a handheld M2 machine gun. Then realised that it's probably the most pointless idea in existence.
[QUOTE=Kai365;20811073]Not that long ago I was working on plans for a handheld M2 machine gun. Then realised that it's probably the most pointless idea in existence.[/QUOTE]
Way too much recoil
not to mention weight
[QUOTE=massn7;20811362]Way too much recoil
not to mention weight[/QUOTE]
Aye, also it has a...weird trigger mechanism.
Needs more pictures of Russian weapons :(
Like the OTs-14 or the OTs-33.
best gun ever? my dick
[IMG]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4008/dsc04784ia6.jpg[/IMG]
Scientifically proven to be the coolest firearm ever created. Prove me wrong, punk.
Required content:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zPyEVeGb80[/media]
Like I said in the last thread,
Shooting .45 1 handed is a pretty stupid idea, unless you have a good grip on the SOB.
Grab your mulletov cocktails the Firearms thread is back :v:
AMD 65.. what makes this weapons special? anyone know anything about it?
[img]http://www.nodakarms.com/AMD/AMD65a.jpg[/img]
and the M39. Isn't this supposed to replace the M14 EBR..?
[img]http://www.mca-marines.org/leatherneck/april09/precisionEMR.jpg[/img]
OP do you go to /k/? Cause you should.
I really want to buy a K98 but I'm too lazy to spend the $175 and get my long gun liscence.
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[QUOTE=$$>MUFFIN<$$;20810859]Hey guys Mosin Nagant M44 Best rifle of WW2[/QUOTE]
Lol no. Overpowered round with a lot of recoil. Mass produced so quality wasn't often a factor.
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