California Governor Jerry Brown signs bill that will increase minimum wage to $15/hour by 2022 - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Gov. Jerry Brown made California the first state in the nation to commit to a $15 per hour minimum wage Monday. “This plan raises the minimum wage in a careful and responsible way and provides some flexibility if economic and budgetary conditions change,” Brown said when the deal was announced. Under the plan, minimum wage was expected to increase to $10.50 per hour on Jan. 1, 2017 for businesses with 26 or more employees. The minimum wage would then rise each year until it reaches $15 per hour in 2022. “This is about economic justice, it’s about people,” Brown said Monday. “This is an important day, it’s not the end of the struggle but it’s a very important step forward.” The governor can choose to pause the next year’s wage increase for one year if there is a forecasted budget deficit or poor economic conditions, according to a news release posted to CA.gov.[/QUOTE] [url]http://ktla.com/2016/04/04/governor-jerry-brown-set-to-sign-15-minimum-wage-law/[/url]

Not fast enough.

My home state will never do this. VA always just stays with the federal one, even with the number of democratic governors we've had.

We just finished a multiyear increase this January so I'm glad to see they kept the ball rolling.

i wonder if the increase of minimum wage to 15$ per hour will slowly spread to most states kind of like the very slow legalization of weed is spreading right now it's better than nothing i suppose

I wonder, in the next 6 years, can this bill be repealed and halt the rising wage? It's a long time to wait for a living wage.

[QUOTE=Trixil;50067575]i wonder if the increase of minimum wage to 15$ per hour will slowly spread to most states kind of like the very slow legalization of weed is spreading right now it's better than nothing i suppose[/QUOTE] By the mid 2020s 15$/hour probably will equal the 7ish we have today already

It should be 22 dollars by now but corporate interests still rule us

[QUOTE=Reshy;50067394]Not fast enough.[/QUOTE] You can't just increase minimum wage immediately and expect everything to go alright. A lot of people would lose their jobs, especially since the US already has insane corporate tax rates on businesses already, which is why more and more companies are moving overseas. A slow, steady increase to $15 minimum wage is the way to go. A very small minority of hourly-paid workers are paid federal minimum wage, around 3.9%.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50067612]It should be 22 dollars by now but corporate interests still rule us[/QUOTE] explain to me how you're entitled to the product of someone else's labor

[QUOTE=mr kjerr;50068692]explain to me how you're entitled to the product of someone else's labor[/QUOTE] I'm sorry? When did I say that? I simply mean that the minimum wage should be attributed heavily to worker production and inflation. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html[/url]

[QUOTE=cody8295;50068804]I'm sorry? When did I say that? I simply mean that the minimum wage should be attributed heavily to worker production and inflation. [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/minimum-wage-productivity_n_2680639.html[/url][/QUOTE] there is so much more that goes into calculating the value of the dollar beyond "worker productivity" when you raise the minimum wage, the government is forcing a business owner (at gunpoint) to give away more of what he has earned through his business that he did not want to give away.

lol here we go

[QUOTE=mr kjerr;50068892]there is so much more that goes into calculating the value of the dollar beyond "worker productivity" when you raise the minimum wage, the government is forcing a business owner (at gunpoint) to give away more of what he has earned through his business that he did not want to give away.[/QUOTE] We wouldn't have to take the money at gunpoint had the employers done the right thing and paid their employees a living wage. The value of the dollar is changing, and with it the cost of living. We can't continue to be paying 40 hour workers 7.50, it's inhumane. If you can't afford $20/hr per employee maybe you shouldn't be in business to begin with.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50069203]We wouldn't have to take the money at gunpoint had the employers done the right thing and paid their employees a living wage. The value of the dollar is changing, and with it the cost of living. We can't continue to be paying 40 hour workers 7.50, it's inhumane. If you can't afford $20/hr per employee maybe you shouldn't be in business to begin with.[/QUOTE] If you can't produce labour worth $15 an hour maybe you shouldn't be in employment to begin with.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50069353]If you can't produce labour worth $15 an hour maybe you shouldn't be in employment to begin with.[/QUOTE] what is labor worth $15 an hour then please enlighten me soldiers are paid less than minimum wage, yet a job in [I]printing labels[/I] can get you $14 an hour an office job paying $20+ can involve sitting around, and browsing facebook a job restocking a store, cleaning the floor nearly every day, and dealing with shitty people will pay you $8

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;50069380]what is labor worth $15 an hour then please enlighten me[/QUOTE] Wages should be the result of fair negotiations between employers and employees in a free market (possibly with some form of collective bargaining from the employees, but I'm still undecided on the benefits vs drawbacks of trade unions), not a mandate coming from some group of people sitting in a room half a continent away. In other words, if you are a worker and you can't find an employer willing to pay you $15 an hour, that means your labour isn't worth $15 an hour.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50069203]We wouldn't have to take the money at gunpoint had the employers done the right thing and paid their employees a living wage. The value of the dollar is changing, and with it the cost of living. We can't continue to be paying 40 hour workers 7.50, it's inhumane. If you can't afford $20/hr per employee maybe you shouldn't be in business to begin with.[/QUOTE] So only megacorporations get to exist? That or prices just inflate to match, meaning all salaries inflate, meaning cost of living inflates and we're back to square 1. Rip small business.

[QUOTE=cody8295;50069203]We wouldn't have to take the money at gunpoint had the employers done the right thing and paid their employees a living wage. The value of the dollar is changing, and with it the cost of living. We can't continue to be paying 40 hour workers 7.50, it's inhumane. If you can't afford $20/hr per employee maybe you shouldn't be in business to begin with.[/QUOTE] so you're advocating the use of force to take away someones property in order to give it to somebody else? a "living wage" is not a human right. you aren't owed a job

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;50069380]what is labor worth $15 an hour then please enlighten me soldiers are paid less than minimum wage, yet a job in [I]printing labels[/I] can get you $14 an hour an office job paying $20+ can involve sitting around, and browsing facebook a job restocking a store, cleaning the floor nearly every day, and dealing with shitty people will pay you $8[/QUOTE] armed forces servicemen and women get housing, medical care, education pay among others to make up for that. that office job requires getting an education and earning the credentials. that store job is just basic labor, nothing special about it. Nobody is owed anything, nobody is owed a job. A basic income to help cover essential needs is all I would support, as it is wealth redistribution and does not interfere with the free market. "Does not deserve to exist", what a load of horseshit. [QUOTE=Headhumpy;50069434]Wages should be the result of fair negotiations between employers and employees in a free market (possibly with some form of collective bargaining from the employees, but I'm still undecided on the benefits vs drawbacks of trade unions), not a mandate coming from some group of people sitting in a room half a continent away. In other words, if you are a worker and you can't find an employer willing to pay you $15 an hour, that means your labour isn't worth $15 an hour.[/QUOTE] Unions are very important, speaking as a tradesmen. They give workers power to come together and support each other through voluntary association. They can protect wages and pay into a fund to train more individuals in their craft and create benefits for its members. They ensure that large scale commercial and industrial jobs are performed by trained professionals who desire to do a quality job and not some hack who will cut costs where he can and leave a poor job behind. The danger from them comes when they establish a political agenda and start funding campaigns.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;50069446]So only megacorporations get to exist? That or prices just inflate to match, meaning all salaries inflate, meaning cost of living inflates and we're back to square 1. Rip small business.[/QUOTE] When you 0ay people a living wage then they dont have to live paycheck to paycheck, meaning they have more spending money which stimulates the economy balancing out the higher wages. [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=mr kjerr;50069452]so you're advocating the use of force to take away someones property in order to give it to somebody else? a "living wage" is not a human right. you aren't owed a job[/QUOTE] Wtf are you even talking about? I'm talking about using the threat of violence (a law) to force employers to pay their employees a living wage

It's funny to watch people clambor to be paid less for some mythic concept of fairness to a business owner who would work you to death to get their dollar out of you if they could. [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] Oh no I mean it's incredibly sad.

Wow, are people from the over side of the Atlantic really begging to get pegged in the ass like that? It always makes me chuckle when American describe basic contribution to society like taxes or living wages as if it were highway robbery.

i worked in a job literally folding cardboard boxes for 8 hours and i got paid $14 an hour for it. tell me my labor is worth is worth more than someone working at something like mcdonalds making food for people

[QUOTE=mr kjerr;50069452]so you're advocating the use of force to take away someones property in order to give it to somebody else? a "living wage" is not a human right. you aren't owed a job[/QUOTE] Found the Libertarian fruitcake. Do you really, really think a person working minimum wage should have to worry about whether or not they get to either heat their water or eat each night? Whether or not their rent will be paid? Because from every example I can find, abolishing minimum wages and removing corporate "theft" (fucking [I]please[/I], you're not an island, you rely on society to make your business work, you pay back what you take) does not lead to an increase in minimum wage, it does however drive profit margins up and increase the amount investors and shareholders are making. So uhh, poor people get fucked there. With the way industry is changing, we are going to need a basic income that every person is entitled to somewhat sharpish. Manual labour jobs could be largely automated entirely now, quite a few blue collar jobs can be handled through software rather than some dude who spends 90% of their day on Facebook, and even service jobs could be replaced with automation. There will not be enough jobs around eventually, corporate "theft" is going to need to happen otherwise the only people who will actually survive this shift will be the upper-middle class business owners.

[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50070070]i worked in a job literally folding cardboard boxes for 8 hours and i got paid $14 an hour for it. tell me my labor is worth is worth more than someone working at something like mcdonalds making food for people[/QUOTE] Wow. You make more than I do(and you make it in american dollars) and I have to know a [B]metric fuck ton of regulations and rules, legal precedents and various other things in order to even be allowed to do this job.[/b] Fuck.

What do you do?

I'm an insurance broker.

[QUOTE=mr kjerr;50069452]so you're advocating the use of force to take away someones property in order to give it to somebody else? a "living wage" is not a human right. you aren't owed a job[/QUOTE] No but you are owed food, water and housing, all of which you have to payed for by, you guessed it, money!

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50070097]Wow. You make more than I do(and you make it in american dollars) and I have to know a [B]metric fuck ton of regulations and rules, legal precedents and various other things in order to even be allowed to do this job.[/b] Fuck.[/QUOTE] well, i mean, i wasnt allowed to stack pallettes on their side, but yeah. the argument that minimum wage jobs are mimum wage because theyre somehow not real labor or somethign along those lines is fuckig retarded because theres plenty of high paying jobs that by the same logic shouldnt be paying nearly as muc as they do