Abortion rights crusader Dr. Henry Morgentaler has died at 90 - Polidicks

[quote]Dr. Henry Morgentaler, who led the abortion movement in Canada, has died at age 90, more than four decades after breaking the law at the time and opening the country's first abortion clinic in Montreal. Carolyn Egan, with the Ontario Coalition of Abortion Clinics, said she spoke with members of Morgentaler's family, who told her he died early Wednesday morning, surrounded by family, and that it was a peaceful death at his Toronto home.[/quote] [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/05/29/obit-morgentaler.html[/url]

[QUOTE=The golden;40841254]He should get honorable mention on one of our bills or something.[/QUOTE] Or a line of[I] "fashion"[/I] coat-hangers named after him :v:

[QUOTE=The golden;40841254]He should get honorable mention on one of our bills or something.[/QUOTE] Good luck with this government. Would be worth it to troll the anti-choicers, though.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40841279]Good luck with this government. Would be worth it to troll the anti-choicers, though.[/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841292]Why?[/QUOTE] Because [i]fuck[/i] those scumbags.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40841338]Because [i]fuck[/i] those scumbags.[/QUOTE] Believing that a child life's is important = "fuck those scumbags". ok.

[QUOTE=The golden;40841363]The Famous Five used to be on our old $50 bill because of their massive involvement in pushing women's rights. What this man has done is very similar and he has hugely successful. You can get abortions in Canada from coast to coast because of this mans work. That is a substantial advancement in human rights.[/QUOTE] Not for children's rights sadly.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841356]Believing that a child life's is important = "fuck those scumbags". ok.[/QUOTE] pro-life beliefs are directly contradictory and arbitrary and support the institutionalized oppression of women. so yeah, fuck those dickbags. fuck them hard.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841383]Not for children's rights sadly.[/QUOTE] Maybe not for fetal or embryological rights, but children's rights do not even factor in.

A "child" before it is born is a parasite by definition.

[QUOTE=The golden;40841422]Sorry if people don't agree with your views that we should dictate what women do with their bodies for the sake of the of 10 cells sitting in her uterus that could potential ruin her life and the life of the child should it be born.[/QUOTE] Ah, Abortion should be used because if not then that child will obviously have a terrible life and wish to be dead anyway, that's quite a leap of faith is it not? [editline]30th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=rhx123;40841436]A "child" before it is born is a parasite by definition.[/QUOTE] So you are in favour of late-term abortions?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841383]Not for children's rights sadly.[/QUOTE] What children's rights? They're not children, they're the potential for children. [quote]Ah, Abortion should be used because if not then that child will obviously have a terrible life and wish to be dead anyway, that's quite a leap of faith is it not? [/quote] No, abortion should be an option because women should have a choice whether or not they're going to have a child, and this really shouldn't need so much of an explanation. [quote]pro-life beliefs are directly contradictory and arbitrary and support the institutionalized oppression of women. [/quote] Pro-Life = Anti-Choice.

[QUOTE=Fetret;40841431]Maybe not for fetal or embryological rights, but children's rights do not even factor in.[/QUOTE] What is the definition of a Human being?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841451]Ah, Abortion should be used because if not then that child will obviously have a terrible life and wish to be dead anyway, that's quite a leap of faith is it not?[/QUOTE] so, uh, would you prefer a household with a mother who can't support her child and/or wishes he hadn't been born in the first place, or a pregnant women having a bunch of cells removed from her womb?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841480]What is the definition of a Human being?[/QUOTE] Human Being =! person Creature with a thinking brain of any type = person

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20321741[/url] It's shit like this that makes pro-life beliefs deplorable.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841480]What is the definition of a Human being?[/QUOTE] I dunno, but I have this strange feeling that zygotes and barely-formed masses of tissue don't constitute one. Oh, and women do.

[QUOTE=rhx123;40841436]A "child" before it is born is a parasite by definition.[/QUOTE]never heard that one before actually the blunt truth i like it

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40841507]Human Being =! person Creature with a thinking brain of any type = person[/QUOTE] Would killing a coma patient be murder then or just disposing of a nuisance?

[QUOTE=AtomicWaffle;40841531]I dunno, but I have this strange feeling that zygotes and barely-formed masses of tissue don't constitute one. Oh, and women do.[/QUOTE] Explain why the age of development changes the definition of who is human or not.

[QUOTE=Lambda 217;40841483]so, uh, would you prefer a household with a mother who can't support her child and/or wishes he hadn't been born in the first place, or a pregnant women having a bunch of cells removed from her womb?[/QUOTE] Adoption services exist for a reason, how does this support the use of abortion? [editline]30th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;40841563]Coma patients are frequently pulled off life-support if they show no signs of improving and the medical staff have the families consent. Also a coma patient isn't a group of tiny non-sapient cells smaller 1/4 of your finger nail.[/QUOTE] And? Does that make them no longer human?

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841541]Would killing a coma patient be murder then or just disposing of a nuisance?[/QUOTE] What the hell is wrong with you People like you are afraid of abortion like you think we'll be forcing every woman to commit to one. It's about a fucking choice. There is nothing wrong with letting people choose. If a woman wants to get an abortion it has no effect on the women who don't and vice versa.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841558]Explain why the age of development changes the definition of who is human or not.[/QUOTE] piss off with your sanctity of life bullshit. nothing is sacred. as soon as you've had your first pregnancy, labor pains, contractions, childbirth, and have to raise a kid for 18 years as a single mother with a minimum wage job i'll be GLAD to hear what you think about abortion, i'm sure it will be really interesting. you can cry about "b-b-but the children!" until the sun goes down but at the end of the day this is a vital choice for women which HAS to be available and if you want to take that away then fuck you.

[QUOTE=The golden;40841543]Do you think women have abortions just for the fun of it? There is a reason why they do it. Believe it or not, having a child is extremely expensive - like it could bring you to financial ruin very quickly if you don't have a stable job. Not to mention stressing the mother most likely to the point of depression and even snapping. And then there are childbirth complications which many women seek abortions so they could avoid them. And then you have women who seek abortions due to rape or other sexual abuse.[/quote] A child's right not to be killed is more important, we should address those issues you brought up a in a different way. [quote] [B]But by all means, you, a (most likely) male teenager or late 20-something sitting behind your desk in your house, clearly know what is best for women and their own bodies.[/B][/QUOTE] What? Would you like to explain why there are women por-lifers or will you just admit that was a really stupid comment to make. [editline]30th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;40841649][B]Adoption services are not the peaches-and-cream thing people seem to think they are. They are usually under-equipped and woefully under-funded.[/B] They will keep the child fed and put a roof over its head and that is pretty much it. Should every unwanted child go to adoption rather than abortion than it would put a substantial strain on the service to the point where it would probably collapse in on itself. They are burdened enough as it is.[/QUOTE] Lets increase their funding then instead of pumping more money into abortion services. [editline]30th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;40841607]What the hell is wrong with you People like you are afraid of abortion like you think we'll be forcing every woman to commit to one. It's about a fucking choice. There is nothing wrong with letting people choose. If a woman wants to get an abortion it has no effect on the women who don't and vice versa.[/QUOTE] That choice leads to the murder of an innocent.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841584]Adoption services exist for a reason, how does this support the use of abortion?[/QUOTE] that's a good point, but look at these stats [url]http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/Data_Stats/#Abortion[/url] 784,507 (legal) abortions a year in 2007 you compare that to the amount of people adopting (100,000 or so) [url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_027.pdf[/url] (2002, sorry, but i doubt results have changed much) if every women who would have terminated her pregnancy sent her child for adoption, the result would be a whole lot of unwanted children crammed into the system

Okay, here we go. [QUOTE=Thom12255;40841558]Explain why the age of development changes the definition of who is human or not.[/QUOTE] Because at that point really referring to it as an age of development for a child is simply inaccurate and misleading. Most every function that constitutes a fully-functioning human being during the early terms of pregnancy are completely incapable of operating. This piece of living tissue and bone and blood could not survive outside of the body, period. It is a parasite - it lives off of a woman's body. Do you have ANY IDEA how much of a toll that takes on someone? Nine months of having your body ravaged by physical changes that are painful, cause women to become extremely sick at times, and that can limit your mobility and your capacity to do much of anything without feeling like you are made of glass. Nevermind the fact that a fully-functioning, fully-grown human being with a full life, friends, and relationships is putting her life in danger because for some reason we've decided that a mass of COMPLETELY NON-SENTIENT TISSUE THAT IN NO WAY COULD POSSIBLY BE CONSTRUED AS A HUMAN BEING LIKE YOU OR I is worth more than her life. [quote]Would killing a coma patient be murder then or just disposing of a nuisance?[/quote] That is not even comparable. However, I'll humour you on this one at least. Is it our job as a society to enforce bizarre ideas on the "sanctity of life" while at the same time causing immeasurable suffering? I think when it comes to the terminal or coma patient who wants to die or is already practically dead, and a pregnant woman who wants an abortion, the only morally sound position to stand on is one that has a choice as to whether or not to suffer needlessly. [quote]A child's right not to be killed is more important, we should address those issues you brought up a in a different way.[/quote] [quote]That choice leads to the murder of an innocent.[/quote] The burden of proof is on you to prove that what we are talking about are realized children. Until that premise is proven, nothing you have said here can be taken as even approaching a reasonable argument. [quote]What? Would you like to explain why there are women por-lifers or will you just admit that was a really stupid comment to make. [/quote] Women are people too, and people can believe some pretty stupid shit sometimes. [quote]Lets increase their funding then instead of pumping more money into abortion services.[/quote] Let's do both! I'd sure like a society that gave a shit, wouldn't you? [sp]oh wait, your definition of giving a shit is forcing people to create children they did not want and taking away their human rights...[/sp]

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841656]A child's right not to be killed is more important, we should address those issues you brought up a in a different way. [/QUOTE] I'm not even going to try to respond to the rest of your "arguments", but there's your problem right there: The embryo/fetus is not a child. Children are not being killed. Stop basing your point on that "fact".

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841541]Would killing a coma patient be murder then or just disposing of a nuisance?[/QUOTE] You're starting to become a nuisance.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;40841656]That choice leads to the murder of an innocent.[/QUOTE] oh so you're one of those "abortion is murder!!" kooks. i can explain why you're wrong but if i have to do that then you probably have the intelligence of a first grader. nothing to see here folks.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;40841726]I bet you're the kind of guy who thinks masturbating is also murder.[/QUOTE] Genocide, actually.