• Invasion of privacy and end of piracy.
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So, there's this new legislation going on in which the government of each participating country is ready to disregard citizen's privacy to put the ACTA into action to prevent copyright. The trade treaty originally started between the U.S and Japan but Australia, Canada, the European Union and its 27 member countries, Japan, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, and Switzerland have also joined in. (I realise... after someone pointed it out that there's already a thread about this so just think of this as an extra- more links, information, etc. Don't tell me it's already been posted because I know but keep reading!) I advise you read the full documentation here: [url]http://www.ustr.gov/webfm_send/1479[/url] , but this thread would give you a rough idea. The link is only a leaked version and most of the treaty is being made unavailable to the public. You'll see that the documentation itself is incomplete. I assume that none of you want to read all of that so here's a brief summary: Regardless of whether you download media online from "questionable sources", you are subject to having your personal property (computers, laptops, iPods, phones, etc.) seized in order to check for "copyright infringement". Here are some nifty little quotes from the treaty to prove my point: "LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR ENFORCEMENT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS Section 1: Civil Enforcement ... - provisional measures, such as the authority for judicial authorities or other competentauthorities to order, in some circumstances, the seizure of goods, materials or documentary evidence without necessarily hearing both parties;" "Without necessarily hearing both parties." Which basically means that you can have your laptop/whatever confiscated without having a say, your entire hard drive can be searched whether you like it or not. "- which intellectual property rights will be covered, and whether bordermeasures should only apply to importations or should equally apply to the export and the transit of goods;" What this waters down to is being stopped in an airport border security because you want to be able to bring your laptop on holidays to watch movies in your own language. They're also discussing whether or not to allow "customs to initiate such suspension ex officio", which is allowing customs to search any electronics you bring without a "request from the right's holder" which means not only police officers can search your stuff for no reason, airport workers can as well. In the document they mention a de minimis exception, but in past cases exceptions like these have been ignored in major court cases and will most likely be ignored in this one, as well. The official released copy also discusses this; "ARTICLE 2.X: DE MINIMIS PROVISION Parties may exclude from the application of this Section small quantities of goods of a non-commercial nature contained in travelers&#8217; personal luggage [or sent in small consignments.]" This next quote is from a section of the document titled "Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement in the Digital Environment". This section in general refers to what they will allow websites and internet providers to post online/who they will give internet access to. "- related to infringing material online, including limitations on the application of those remediesto online service providers;- related to the circumvention of technological protection measures, including the availability ofexceptions and limitations;" These measures will apply to sites like Limewire and YouTube (yes, YouTube, half the content on there is already "copyright infringement" by ACTA standards and you'll only see more and more videos taken down if it passes.) Sites like these will be taken down. It's easy to say that sites like these will be replaced faster than they can take them down, but unfortunately that's not the case. If ACTA goes through punishments regarding "copyright infringement" will only get stricter. The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement is not an issue about piracy. It's an issue about privacy. Do you really think big corporations (because it's businesses that benefit from this treaty, not citizens) care about your privacy? Losing some music online may not seem like a big deal, but it's a slippery slope. This is about protecting your right to privacy as a citizen. If this treaty were here to benefit us, they wouldn't be keeping it a secret. I AM LIKE, REALLY MAD ABOUT THIS. D:< The official publicly released report is here: [url]http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2010/april/tradoc_146029.pdf[/url] Also, not that I'm saying Wikipedia is entirely reliable, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement#First_public_draft_--_April_2010[/url] It's a good source of information on this topic.
Well fuck, I was hoping my country wouldn't be a part of this, then you said ''and it's 27 member states'' (they're not states by the way).
Fuck.
[QUOTE=Mizzy;24406353]I AM LIKE, REALLY MAD ABOUT THIS. I don't own a single legal song in my entire music library. [/QUOTE] It's just a crackdown on illegal traffic, nothing will happen.
FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.... ..my linux distros :(
Good thing I live in Russia
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I'm not in any of the countries on the list :smug: [editline] 4:00 AM [/editline] I will though, in 1.5 years :(
[QUOTE=Smells Like;24406508]Good thing I live in Russia[/QUOTE] That sentence is never true. Ever.
Admitting to piracy will get you banned. Though, fuck. I'm sick of their shit.
Another ACTA ''Internet Doomsday'' thread.
[QUOTE=Mokkan13;24406565]Admitting to piracy will get you banned. Though, fuck. I'm sick of their shit.[/QUOTE] Can I run something past you. This is purely a example and nothing more. If I said my brother was a pirate and he downloaded music, and he gives it to me would I be a pirate?
There's already a thread on this... [editline]09:10AM[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=992749[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;24406555]That sentence is never true. Ever.[/QUOTE] How so?
[QUOTE=Mokkan13;24406565]Admitting to piracy will get you banned. Though, fuck. I'm sick of their shit.[/QUOTE] Fixed. :) Still, I'm sick of it too. [editline]11:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=deadshot;24406607]There's already a thread on this... [editline]09:10AM[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=992749[/url][/QUOTE] :\ Oops. To be fair, my thread has a lot more detail and information, so.
Well. I agree. It's not an issue about piracy, it's about privacy. When will people stop being slaves to the massive corporations? Fight for your freedom, damnit! Especially in the USA, where they preach on and on about freedom... Is this freedom? I don't think so.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;24406601]Can I run something past you. This is purely a example and nothing more. If I said my brother was a pirate and he downloaded music, and he gives it to me would I be a pirate?[/QUOTE] Actually that's how P2P pirating works.
European Union members aren't states, they are countries, get your facts straight.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;24406832]I was reading this being all smug like "this doesn't affect me anyway :smug:" then I read: FUCK.[/QUOTE] Don't worry we don't have any states :smug:
Good thing I live in Riyadh, I hope.
[QUOTE=Matt PL;24406912]European Union members aren't states, they are countries, get your facts straight.[/QUOTE] Oh, I'm sorry. I was too busy doing thorough relevant research to notice an irrelevant little mistake. My bad.
Hey guys, if someone starts talking about a game he has pirated, let's rate him "Dumb" and ban him, but when piracy is going to hell, let's rate "Agree" and condole each other. :razz:
[B]Problem:[/B] There's three active ACTA threads in here. [B]Answer:[/B] ACTA Megathread?
Knowledge is free.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;24406601]Can I run something past you. This is purely a example and nothing more. If I said my brother was a pirate and he downloaded music, and he gives it to me would I be a pirate?[/QUOTE] Yes, it's the same as receiving stolen goods... Like if your friend steals a box of candy from Coles, and then he gives it to you, if you knew he stole it, you would be charged with Recieving Stolen Goods.
[QUOTE=esalaka;24407040][B]Problem:[/B] There's three active ACTA threads in here. [B]Answer:[/B] ACTA Megathread?[/QUOTE] I would delete my thread to save myself the embarrassment but I personally find mine more informative.
Hell, I've pirated shit, but I'm more likely to buy things than I am to pirate them. Look at my steam account, 136 games. I think there was also a study done to prove this, that people that pirate buy more things than people that don't. Also, why are they concerned about harmless shit like this when there are WAY bigger things to worry about?
[QUOTE=meatballfish;24407243]Hell, I've pirated shit, but I'm more likely to buy things than I am to pirate them. Look at my steam account, 136 games. I think there was also a study done to prove this, that people that pirate buy more things than people that don't. Also, why are they concerned about harmless shit like this when there are WAY bigger things to worry about?[/QUOTE] EA not earning extra 50 bucks, let's try and instate a new law. :razz:
Scandinavia, I can legally download digital copies of copyrighted material that I've legally bought. :buddy:
If you guys want your linux distros just go sit in mac donalds with your laptop.
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