The urge to do something more. To be something else, something important.
What's the point of your life, if you don't affect people. If your not ever thought of after your death, besides your close friends and relatives, what's the point?
You might as well just end it now. If you don't go for whatever it is you want in life, whatever it is that would really make you happiest, your just sucking air into your own lungs, that should be saved for the driven.
I don't mean driven in the usual sense. The straight A, 20 point game average driven? No.
You are driven, when you know what you want, and you go for it, however slow your progress may be. You could be the laziest person alive, sit at home all day and watch tv, never move from the couch. But if you know what you really want out of life, and you are working towards or have achieved it, then you are driven.
But, you can't just be driven. You have to be driven to significance. If you are not trying to achieve a goal that has a significant impact on the world or culture as a whole, your life means nothing. Sorry to say, but the secretary, the blue collar data inputting 9-5'er, you mean nothing.
I'm not trying to be harsh. I'm a nice guy. And i'm not saying you have to be in a position of a large amount of power, for example, the CEO of a carpet manufacturer.
Useless.
If you go day to day, and don't question a single thing about your existence, then you deserve to continue your average, nothing-special kind of life.
For the people that sit there, and think, I mean really think, your the kind of people we need.
I don't mean religiously, this has nothing to do with religion. Although I have to say, the religious people I have came across in my life tend to be the people that don't think. But, when I say think, I mean questioning everything as a whole.
Some days, I feel alone. I feel the life just drain out of my surroundings, and begin to question. Is this all in my head? Every single person, could easily be a figment of my imagination. What imagination? How did I get here?
Have you ever really looked at somebody? Not as a friend, or a person, but as a thing? As a human. Put yourself into someones head who has never seen a person before, we're all ugly. We're just as slimy and gross as the aliens we depict in movies, ripping people's insides out.
Do you ever just wait? Wait for something awe striking to happen, because you know this isn't it? This isn't all life is, incredible things are going to happen. Some day, none of what matters now will matter at all. Everything will change, supernatural will become reality, reality will fall into a gaping void.
I despise routine. Hate it. Every single bit of routine, I cannot stand. We are goal driven. If you ever start thinking like this, like I do a lot, think about something you want, or are working toward. Like a car, for example.
I really want a car. I'm 16, and need a job. I've applied to 15 places, called back 11 of them, nothing. When I start thinking, really thinking, and waiting for it all to end, I think back to that. That car. Of course that's just my example, but everyone has something. No one is satisfied.
Have you ever had the urge to test boundaries? Death. Death is a simple boundary, yet the most crucial to us. We don't want to die. Why?
Because we don't know. We don't know what lays past death, whether it's a religious heaven, nothing-ness, or something else.
We do NOT want to die. That's as simple as it gets. Some might ask then, why would we gamble, and things like that.
Well besides the greed factor, which by the way, is a goal, people want to test the waters. We KNOW when we gamble, two things could happen.
Win or lose. Maybe depending on the game, win up to X amount, lose up to X amount. We're safe. We know what we're going into when we start.
Death is different. It controls you, think about it. Think about all the things you could do, if you weren't afraid of death. Why don't we embrace death? Is it pain?
There's plenty of ways to die without pain.
I hope none of you think I'm crazy, I've considered it, and put down the thought. If I'm crazy, and this entire universe is my creation, that means your all as insane as I am, so fuck anyone who thinks they're better than anyone else.
I'm getting really off topic. I posted this here because you all seem to have the most creative minds on here, and would take this in the best way possible.
Have you ever thought, maybe those that are insane, really aren't? They might have done what everyone of us try to do, take control of reality.
If you have enough brain power, you can change what you see. You can completely take control of what happens.
If you have enough brain power, you can negate pain. You could make your own heart cease to beat.
Those people that are locked away for being insane, maybe they did exactly that. Took control of what they were not born to control.
Have you ever had the urge to kill? I've talked to quite a few people who have. I don't have the urge to make people suffer, I don't get enjoyment from others suffering.
I'd kill. I'd do it without a single thought as to who they might be leaving behind, kids, family. I enjoy power. Everyone enjoys power, especially those deemed insane.
I used to be afraid of the night, the dark, I was never really scared of monsters though. I was scared of people, people hiding with knives and guns that wanted my life.
When I was about 13, I wasn't scared anymore. I realized that I could make people as afraid of me as I was of them, although I don't do it, i realized it was possible.
Serial killers, aren't that different from us. They aren't really that fucked, in fact, if you look up a little history on them, the majority were straight A students, with plenty of friends. But they lacked one thing, in almost every scenario.
Drive.
They did well, but it came easily. They had no real motivation, didn't really want to make a difference, weren't interested in regular things.
This world is boring. They decided to test the limits, see how far they could push what people have built up, before it broke them.
One person could break the world. All it takes is a single person, to exterminate us, or destroy our system.
The Human System. The only thing we know, and all of us have in common. Fuck, Eat, sleep, bowels, repeat
Why is it that way?
Who the fuck says living organisms need oxygen to survive? How much of the universe have we seen? How many eyes have peeked out over the astronomical horizon?
None. 0.
Existence. That's the one word that everything comes down to. I'm out of juice. I'll post some more later. Probably. I'll also repost some stuff I typed up awhile ago and put on another forum, i believe it's two threads worth of information.
I started off on this post trying to make it a rant about how I refuse to get pigeon-holed into a regular job, I will make a difference, and will see that changes or movements sparked because of me are to my satisfaction. Got side-tracked, a lot.
TL;DR: None. If you think it's too long to read, ok.
This is pretty much what humans have been thinking and asking for their entire existence, so yes everyone has that urge and at least every other month they make a post exactly like yours.
[QUOTE=1chains1;34348968]This is pretty much what humans have been thinking and asking for their entire existence, so yes everyone has that urge and at least every other month they make a post exactly like yours.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like someone didn't fully read or comprehend the post, as "that urge" is mentioned and referred to in less than 4 sentences in the entire thing.
[QUOTE=scipherneo;34349182]Sounds like someone didn't fully read or comprehend the post, as "that urge" is mentioned and referred to in less than 4 sentences in the entire thing.[/QUOTE]
I both read and comprehended.
It is the same philosophical ideas that have been discussed since the idea of philosophy came into being.
It is nothing new or eye opening and as said every month some user posts an almost identical piece thinking they are deep. Then of course we mention this and for them to expand out from the dead, beaten horse that is human nature and "why" we "be" and they get butt hurt and tell us we do not comprehend.
[QUOTE=1chains1;34349265]I both read and comprehended.
It is the same philosophical ideas that have been discussed since the idea of philosophy came into being.
It is nothing new or eye opening and as said every month some user posts an almost identical piece thinking they are deep. Then of course we mention this and for them to expand out from the dead, beaten horse that is human nature and "why" we "be" and they get butt hurt and tell us we do not comprehend.[/QUOTE]
If you really do comprehend, then why put down this type of thought?
Why not expand upon it with your own thought, - or for that fact, add anything useful?
[QUOTE=scipherneo;34349340]If you really do comprehend, then why put down this type of thought?
Why not expand upon it with your own thought, - or for that fact, add anything useful?[/QUOTE]
Because I work with images and am a strong believer in actions speak louder than words.
Youre not stumbling onto any new ideas and to be honest you typing in that "wise and oh-so-thoughtful" way just makes you seem ridiculous. The way you type and speak does not matter it is the ideas behind them and your ideas are nothing new. Sorry.
[QUOTE=1chains1;34349410]and to be honest you typing in that "wise and oh-so-thoughtful" way just makes you seem ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=1chains1;34349410]The way you type and speak does not matter[/QUOTE]
What? First, I don't understand what you mean by wise and oh so thoughtful. Second, I never said these were new ideas, or even rare ones. I was interested for the input and thoughts of others who may be able to add to my thoughts, and let my imagination flow even farther.
Also, images are solid, unchanging. You can draw a new image, but an image doesn't morph. Ideas do, and that's what I'm looking for. Other people to help morph my thoughts, they put in ideas, i scramble them and just add them to my mental library.
I enjoy discussion. Obviously your not interested, and that's fine by me, but don't ruin the chance for discussion by invading a thread that wasn't meant for people that have nothing to add.
[QUOTE=scipherneo;34349493]What? First, I don't understand what you mean by wise and oh so thoughtful. Second, I never said these were new ideas, or even rare ones. I was interested for the input and thoughts of others who may be able to add to my thoughts, and let my imagination flow even farther.
Also, images are solid, unchanging. You can draw a new image, but an image doesn't morph. Ideas do, and that's what I'm looking for. Other people to help morph my thoughts, they put in ideas, i scramble them and just add them to my mental library.
I enjoy discussion. Obviously your not interested, and that's fine by me, but don't ruin the chance for discussion by invading a thread that wasn't meant for people that have nothing to add.[/QUOTE]
You say you wanted people to post their thoughts, well I posted them and pointed out the stereotypical views of it.
My view disagrees with yours and you deem it "invading". This shows the hypocrisy that your "deep and philosophical" debate thread has.
But obviously youre not going to back down from this so I will stop replying. (You know, the only guy replying to your posts and keeping the thread alive?)
Have a nice day.
[QUOTE=1chains1;34349410]
and to be honest you typing in that "wise and oh-so-thoughtful" way just makes you seem ridiculous.
The way you type and speak does not matter[/QUOTE]
And i'm the one being contradictory.
[QUOTE=scipherneo;34348658]The urge to do something more. To be something else, something important.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I have that a lot so I'm doing it
[editline]23rd January 2012[/editline]
That said it's not a very mature goal--100 years from now nobody but a few music scholars is going to care who Jay-Z was, Barack Obama will be a paragraph or two in history curriculum, etc. 200 years after that they'll be even less remembered if at all. 1000 years from now we won't even have the same countries, or languages, or any semblance of how things are now.
You kind of have to come to terms with the fleeting insignificance of your existence and find your own reasons for it instead of waiting for the universe to assign you some cosmic purpose. The universe doesn't give a shit. But you give a shit, so isn't that enough? If you really think you'll only have lived a fulfilling life if you can become super famous then you better get started putting the work in for it. You'll have to make a lot of personal sacrifices. On the other hand if you can find value in the people you already have around you, you can live a compelling and meaningful life without becoming massively influential.
Basically your ideas about what matters and what doesn't are immature and unrealistic.
I can't say anything except for:
Extremely cliche, and I've read approximately 3749473 texts exactly like this one.
so deep *_____*
[QUOTE=1chains1;34349410]Because I work with images and am a strong believer in actions speak louder than words.
Youre not stumbling onto any new ideas and to be honest you typing in that "wise and oh-so-thoughtful" way just makes you seem ridiculous. The way you type and speak does not matter it is the ideas behind them and your ideas are nothing new. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TH89;34350055]Yeah I have that a lot so I'm doing it
[editline]23rd January 2012[/editline]
That said it's not a very mature goal--100 years from now nobody but a few music scholars is going to care who Jay-Z was, Barack Obama will be a paragraph or two in history curriculum, etc. 200 years after that they'll be even less remembered if at all. 1000 years from now we won't even have the same countries, or languages, or any semblance of how things are now.
You kind of have to come to terms with the fleeting insignificance of your existence and find your own reasons for it instead of waiting for the universe to assign you some cosmic purpose. The universe doesn't give a shit. But you give a shit, so isn't that enough? If you really think you'll only have lived a fulfilling life if you can become super famous then you better get started putting the work in for it. You'll have to make a lot of personal sacrifices. On the other hand if you can find value in the people you already have around you, you can live a compelling and meaningful life without becoming massively influential.
Basically your ideas about what matters and what doesn't are immature and unrealistic.[/QUOTE]
pioneer human cryogenics, do something practical [i]and[/i] live to see yourself become famous
[QUOTE=Rolond Absconds;34361923]pioneer human cryogenics, do something practical [i]and[/i] live to see yourself become famous[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.zdnet.com/blog/emergingtech/manhattan-beach-project-to-reverse-aging-by-2029/2010]Manhattan Beach Project[/url]
There is a small possibility that human longevity might actually increase dramatically to the point that it starts increasing faster than a year every year. In which case that raises a bunch of new kinds of questions such as population control.
I mean, I'm going to be realistic, it probably won't happen. But, improbable things have happened before so I find it interesting.
But, [b]back to the OP[/b]. You're entering a stage in your life where you start looking at the world and trying to figure out how it works. Some people never really reach the stage, other people never get past it. It can happen when you're 10 or when you're 60 but most people experience it in one way or another.
I suggest you do a lot of reading on human interconnectedness, and personally put a lot of thought into consequences, mortality, and perspective of individual experience. This is probably the best time of your life to consider those kinds of things. You're exploring the world in an intangible way.
Everyone, regardless if they believe in an afterlife or not, would love to be remembered after they're gone so they've made an impact. The truth is, we can't all make an impact because then nobody makes an impact. We all want to push and pull the world in different directions and do something amazing, but your version of amazing may severely differ from somebody else's, and you may feel special or unique for realizing this. But, chances are, the cashier at the supermarket has figured this out too. The woman running a pet store probably has, as has the guy you passed by on the street. Chances are, we've all at least considered it, which may make you wonder why they've all seemingly "given up" on trying to make the world a better place.
I call it "Coming to Terms With Being Normal". We're all born and raised being told that we'll do great things if we want them enough. But the truth is that it just doesn't happen most of the time. The world isn't fair and humanity isn't fair. Large powers love to tell people that they're all equal and all have an equal say, but the truth is we don't. An very attractive person who can sing and act well but is completely terrible in their world views will still probably do better than a person who is not so attractive or talented. But, that's not the way the world works either. There are people who are beautiful on the inside and out, and there are people who are ugly on the inside and out. Beautiful people are not inherently ignorant and "bad" on the inside like in movies and books where an "ugly" person winds up winning because they have a heart of gold. It's a touching message, but not always the way it works.
You have an idea, and that's great. You should hold onto your want to help the world. However, the execution of your idea could be considered very rude and inconsiderate. You're saying that some people are are waste of life. That is saying that all of the people who have lived and died with their best intentions of helping the world but didn't end up doing it are a waste of life as well because they were unsuccessful.
Also, serial killers are mentally unstable because they take it into their own hands to take another's life. No one should have that right, not a government, not a single individual. No one on this planet should be allowed to determine when another person should die unless it will be saving many other people in the process.
Serial killers also often know what they're doing is wrong. It isn't some "spiritual journey" of testing their boundaries, it's an innate urge that they have because of behavioral or maybe even genetic conditioning. When I had questions like you, I did my research, which is making me wonder what other conclusions you're seemingly jumping straight into without proof.
We do not want to die because we fear the unknown and because so far living life isn't all that bad. Many people pass through a temporary part of their lives where they don't care about life anymore and want to end their own life. It's my own belief that they shouldn't because it's normally temporary and no one should feel that they don't belong in the world. There is a spot for everyone to live and life gets better and worse but why plummet yourself into the unknown finality of death instead of living the rest of your existence on Earth? If a person, however, is in extreme pain because of a fatal disease or injury that they won't survive no matter what, I don't think they should have to suffer through it unless they want to wait to see if they'll make it.
You also posted this assuming that none of us had thought of any of these things before in our lives, or at least worded it that way. Generally, the kind of people who would read through what you said are the people who've gone through it before and can relate, so it was kind of self-defeating and I wouldn't have approached it the way you did.
There's my thoughts on it.
You have to find what you want to do with life, like TH89 said, and you shouldn't judge other people's drives in life as "lesser" because they aren't like your own and aren't for some gigantic purpose of saving the world; different people will have different views and opinions on what they should be doing, and so long as they aren't hurting anybody you shouldn't consider them lesser than yourself. You have to understand that other people have probably thought the same things like 1chains1 said, you aren't alone in your thoughts. And when you come into these revelations you can't be trying to impress people and sound smarter than them, which is what I think Detlef was getting at.
[QUOTE=Martut;34362869][url=http://www.zdnet.com/blog/emergingtech/manhattan-beach-project-to-reverse-aging-by-2029/2010]Manhattan Beach Project[/url]
There is a small possibility that human longevity might actually increase dramatically to the point that it starts increasing faster than a year every year. In which case that raises a bunch of new kinds of questions such as population control.
I mean, I'm going to be realistic, it probably won't happen. But, improbable things have happened before so I find it interesting.
But, [b]back to the OP[/b]. You're entering a stage in your life where you start looking at the world and trying to figure out how it works. Some people never really reach the stage, other people never get past it. It can happen when you're 10 or when you're 60 but most people experience it in one way or another.
I suggest you do a lot of reading on human interconnectedness, and personally put a lot of thought into consequences, mortality, and perspective of individual experience. This is probably the best time of your life to consider those kinds of things. You're exploring the world in an intangible way.
Everyone, regardless if they believe in an afterlife or not, would love to be remembered after they're gone so they've made an impact. The truth is, we can't all make an impact because then nobody makes an impact. We all want to push and pull the world in different directions and do something amazing, but your version of amazing may severely differ from somebody else's, and you may feel special or unique for realizing this. But, chances are, the cashier at the supermarket has figured this out too. The woman running a pet store probably has, as has the guy you passed by on the street. Chances are, we've all at least considered it, which may make you wonder why they've all seemingly "given up" on trying to make the world a better place.
I call it "Coming to Terms With Being Normal". We're all born and raised being told that we'll do great things if we want them enough. But the truth is that it just doesn't happen most of the time. The world isn't fair and humanity isn't fair. Large powers love to tell people that they're all equal and all have an equal say, but the truth is we don't. An very attractive person who can sing and act well but is completely terrible in their world views will still probably do better than a person who is not so attractive or talented. But, that's not the way the world works either. There are people who are beautiful on the inside and out, and there are people who are ugly on the inside and out. Beautiful people are not inherently ignorant and "bad" on the inside like in movies and books where an "ugly" person winds up winning because they have a heart of gold. It's a touching message, but not always the way it works.
You have an idea, and that's great. You should hold onto your want to help the world. However, the execution of your idea could be considered very rude and inconsiderate. You're saying that some people are are waste of life. That is saying that all of the people who have lived and died with their best intentions of helping the world but didn't end up doing it are a waste of life as well because they were unsuccessful.
Also, serial killers are mentally unstable because they take it into their own hands to take another's life. No one should have that right, not a government, not a single individual. No one on this planet should be allowed to determine when another person should die unless it will be saving many other people in the process.
Serial killers also often know what they're doing is wrong. It isn't some "spiritual journey" of testing their boundaries, it's an innate urge that they have because of behavioral or maybe even genetic conditioning. When I had questions like you, I did my research, which is making me wonder what other conclusions you're seemingly jumping straight into without proof.
We do not want to die because we fear the unknown and because so far living life isn't all that bad. Many people pass through a temporary part of their lives where they don't care about life anymore and want to end their own life. It's my own belief that they shouldn't because it's normally temporary and no one should feel that they don't belong in the world. There is a spot for everyone to live and life gets better and worse but why plummet yourself into the unknown finality of death instead of living the rest of your existence on Earth? If a person, however, is in extreme pain because of a fatal disease or injury that they won't survive no matter what, I don't think they should have to suffer through it unless they want to wait to see if they'll make it.
You also posted this assuming that none of us had thought of any of these things before in our lives, or at least worded it that way. Generally, the kind of people who would read through what you said are the people who've gone through it before and can relate, so it was kind of self-defeating and I wouldn't have approached it the way you did.
There's my thoughts on it.
You have to find what you want to do with life, like TH89 said, and you shouldn't judge other people's drives in life as "lesser" because they aren't like your own and aren't for some gigantic purpose of saving the world; different people will have different views and opinions on what they should be doing, and so long as they aren't hurting anybody you shouldn't consider them lesser than yourself. You have to understand that other people have probably thought the same things like 1chains1 said, you aren't alone in your thoughts. And when you come into these revelations you can't be trying to impress people and sound smarter than them, which is what I think Detlef was getting at.[/QUOTE]
Most friendly, and insightful post in this thread. Appreciated.
Everyone wants to be important.
And i didnt read the whole thing, seems like your just rambling on.
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