There will be no babies born with Downs Syndrom after 2030 in Denmark - Polidicks

[quote=Berlingske] Women in Denmark are increasingly choosing to remove fetuses with Down syndrome, since the Health Protection Agency in 2004 offered to all pregnant women to get screened their fetus, writes Berlingske Sunday. In 2004, 61 children born with a chromosomal defect. In 2005 the figure was halved and the total number of newborns with Down syndrome from 2004 to 2010 on average declined by more than 13 percent. annually. If the trend continues, Denmark last Downs syndrome child being born around 2030. Among parents of children with the development of resistant disease arouses great indignation. Eugenics like Conditions "We should not have eugenics-like conditions, as this looks," says Ms. Brendstrup who is the mother of a child with Down syndrome. "You go after one specific disability. What's next? Are children with diabetes that will be sorted out?" She asks. Vice President of National Association for Down Syndrome, Grete Fält-Hansen, understands that parents opt out of a child with the disease. How is it 99 out of 100 times. Border control at the cervix "But as it is now, is this rejection on the basis of a frightening lack of knowledge on Down syndrome," she says. "There are many other things that can cause disability, and if you go through a cost-benefit analysis to be born, we have introduced controls at the cervix," adds Grete Fält-Hansen. Precisely this perspective - what's next - record Niels Uldbjerg, Professor at Obstetrics and Gynaecology Department at Aarhus University Hospital and a researcher in medical ethics. As a specialist he describes it as an "amazing feat" that the number of newborn children with Down syndrome is approaching zero. "But if you ask me as a person, then I can like the fact that there are some different people among us. Some odd existences can be reflected in and inspire its about life," he told Berlingske. Ethics Council has dealt with the dilemmas of future prenatal diagnosis in a statement from 2009.[/quote] [URL]http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-41788383:meget-f%C3%A5-f%C3%B8des-med-downs-syndrom.html[/URL] Sorry for the bad translation, just put it through google translate. No, not trying to sound like a nazi, but I think this is a good thing. Downs Syndrome is, after all, a chromosome error. I think people are just afraid of being politically uncorrect, but I wanted to hear your opinions as well.

Very good Idea. Refining the human genome by eliminating any possible spread of defaults.

A part of me says that this is for the better, but the human side of me that actually has feelings says that it isn't. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tTBSUPM_3U[/media] Part 2. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYtXcu11-2M[/media]

this is good.

So long as the foetus isn't self aware I'm fine with it. I draw the line with anything to do with removing a life when it becomes self aware. That said I don't condone removing all plant life from Earth simply because it's not sentient.

For people saying this is terrible, it's equally as terrible having to live a life with down syndrome and if we can prevent it then that's good.

But.. What about Morten & Peter? :(

[QUOTE=sltungle;31172081]That said I don't condone removing all plant life from Earth simply because it's not sentient.[/QUOTE] Cue the entire "What is sentience" bandwagon.

[QUOTE=HatredViral;31172205]Cue the entire "What is sentience" bandwagon.[/QUOTE] Well it's a damn good question seeing as how it's something that modern day science has a great deal of difficulty quantifying or even explaining.

I don't get how this is controversial. No parent wants to have a child with downs syndrome and nobody wants to have downs syndrome himself. It would also be great to be able to check for other things like diabetes. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's horrible being born with a defect and being unable to do anything about it. It would be great if we could at some point reach perfect genetic selection like in GATTACA. That would also counter the problem of us disabling natural selection and therefore deteriorating the human gene pool.

I especially hate people who have a birth defect and give interviews like "If this existed 40 years ago I wouldn't exist". Yes you would motherfucker. You just wouldn't have a horrible birth defect. Why are you dooming future generations to endure the same things you went through when we clearly have the technology to prevent that by your stupid self-important pseudo-moral claims?

[QUOTE=Robber;31172281]I don't get how this is controversial. No parent wants to have a child with downs syndrome and nobody wants to have downs syndrome himself. It would also be great to be able to check for other things like diabetes. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's horrible being born with a defect and being unable to do anything about it. It would be great if we could at some point reach perfect genetic selection like in GATTACA. That would also counter the problem of us disabling natural selection and therefore deteriorating the human gene pool.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't prevent someone being born if they had diabetes. That'd be ridiculous. That's something easily controlled nowadays and people who have it are still totally normal mentally and aren't really too much of a burden on those around them. Downs syndrome or other such conditions which cause impaired mental development are up a whole other alley though. It can't be fun to live like that (if people with it are even truly self away like normal people, life might just be like this big blur to them that doesn't make much sense), and families that have children like that tend to suffer a lot emotionally, socially and financially.

Aside from the obvious mental problems, people with down's rarely live past 50, often dieing of cardic problems. Is that a life you want to give someone, if you have a choice? Id rather eliminate the fetuses with this condition, so that children without this birth defect can be born instead.

time to born my kids in Denmark!

Reminds me too much of Nazi Germany

Anyone who thinks people with down's syndrome cannot have a happy life has no understanding of the disabled. E: This is utterly horrible. Firstly, you're saying that disabled people have no human value - that it would be better that they're not born. That's utterly horrible, and a complete lie pushed by Nazis and moronic internet teenagers who have no real comprehension of people with disabilities. I've just spent a week working in a centre that provides employment for people with disabilities, includingn Down's Syndrome, autism, and others. You can't tell me that they have no value, and that they should have been aborted. Secondly - where do you stop? If we kill people with genetic disorders, should we also abort foetuses with dyslexia? That's not ideal, right? Hey, what about children with brown eyes - that's not my vision of ideal, and it's MY choice, right? This is a monstrous ideal which irrevocably degrades humanity.

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;31172485]Reminds me too much of Nazi Germany[/QUOTE] Please, do you know how much effort and stress it puts on a family to raise a kid with down's syndrome or any other comparable condition which causes impaired mental development?

[QUOTE=sltungle;31172567]Please, do you know how much effort and stress it puts on a family to raise a kid with down's syndrome or any other comparable condition which causes impaired mental development?[/QUOTE] If you can't deal with difficulties you shouldn't have a child.

[QUOTE=Killuah;31172315]I especially hate people who have a birth defect and give interviews like "If this existed 40 years ago I wouldn't exist". Yes you would motherfucker. You just wouldn't have a horrible birth defect. Why are you dooming future generations to endure the same things you went through when we clearly have the technology to prevent that by your stupid self-important pseudo-moral claims?[/QUOTE] Did you read the article? The fetus's are aborted. He wouldn't exist.

[QUOTE=Stany01;31172723]Did you read the article? The fetus's are aborted. He wouldn't exist.[/QUOTE] But someone who would essentially be him would, assuming the parents tried again. The only reason he has more value, is because he's a fully grown human being, with family, friends, a life and everything else. You could just aswell say this about the second kid who didn't get born, because this guy was. What's he worth?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31172646]If you can't deal with difficulties you shouldn't have a child.[/QUOTE] Yes, because it's YOUR fucking fault when you knock up someone and the 21st chromosome accidentally decides to copy itself and cause your yet-to-be-born child to have a mental defect, right? That's totally your fault.

[QUOTE=sltungle;31172780]Yes, because it's YOUR fucking fault when you knock up someone and the 21st chromosome accidentally decides to copy itself and cause your yet-to-be-born child to have a mental defect, right? That's totally your fault.[/QUOTE] You should be damn well aware of the risks before you decide to have a child.

It's better to get rid of all the disabilities and such from the baby when its in the womb so it can lead a profitable life.

every time you ejaculate you are doing the same thing as aborting a foetus (well really half of it), i see this as fine

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31172828]It's better to get rid of all the disabilities and such from the baby when its in the womb so it can lead a profitable life.[/QUOTE] Getting rid of it's disabilities is one thing, this is just killing the fetus

I'm gonna go to denmark to cope with childbirth

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31172844]Getting rid of it's disabilities is one thing, this is just killing the fetus[/QUOTE] Yes but the fetus doesn't become a human until it is born.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31172801]You should be damn well aware of the risks before you decide to have a child.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're actually an idiot or just trolling. That's like saying that someone isn't entitled to insurance because an asteroid hits their house. The odds of it happening are so astronomically low that nobody, not even damn insurance companies, would expect it enough to have a policy on it. Having a kid with down's syndrome is extremely rare and it's nobodies fault. In practice it's not even something you really should anticipate because statistically speaking it's incredibly unlikely you'll ever be one of the people who ends up having a kid like that.

Is there anyway to correct this while it is still in the single cell phase. Part of GCSE biology does cover removing specific parts of the genome with enzymes. Surely you could get rid of the extra piece before the cell divides.

[QUOTE=sltungle;31172917]I can't tell if you're actually an idiot or just trolling. That's like saying that someone isn't entitled to insurance because an asteroid hits their house. The odds of it happening are so astronomically low that nobody, not even damn insurance companies, would expect it enough to have a policy on it. Having a kid with down's syndrome is extremely rare and it's nobodies fault. In practice it's not even something you really should anticipate because statistically speaking it's incredibly unlikely you'll ever be one of the people who ends up having a kid like that.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about genetic disabilities in general. [editline]17th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;31172912]Yes but the fetus doesn't become a human until it is born.[/QUOTE] I'd say it was human as soon as it developed a brain.