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At least 30 Syrian civilians were killed in an air strike by the US-led coalition fighting Islamic State militants in a rural area of Raqqa province early on Tuesday, according to residents, activists and state television.
The US-led coalition said it had no indications an air strike had hit civilians, but in its daily report on coalition strikes, the US military acknowledged that strikes were carried out in the area. It said that on Tuesday, coalition warplanes carried out 19 air strikes – an unusually high number for a single day – on a range of Islamic State facilities near the city of Raqqa.
The attack, which hit a school in the town of Mansoura, where civilians had taken shelter on Tuesday night, was the second time in a week that Syrians had accused the United States of involvement in a strike that killed dozens of noncombatants.
Forty-nine people died last week when US warplanes fired on a target in Al Jinah, a village in western Aleppo province. US officials said the attack had hit a building where al-Qaeda operatives were meeting, but residents said the warplanes had struck a mosque where hundreds of people had gathered for a weekly religious meeting.
The US military said it was investigating whether civilians had been killed in that airstrike. In Raqqa, the Islamic State’s self-declared capital, hundreds of people who fled their homes in other parts of Syria were sheltering in the school, according to residents and to the group Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently, a team of activists originally from Raqqa who monitor the conflict.
The two air strikes have raised concerns about whether the US military has become less careful, or less selective, in its targeting. President Donald Trump repeatedly said during his campaign that he would loosen restrictions intended to protect civilians during attacks against the Islamic State and other extremist groups.
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[url]https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/at-least-30-dead-after-air-strike-hits-syrian-school-1.3020369[/url]
the schools in america are fucked already so they had to find another country's schools to fuck up
"We will defeat ISIS... [by making their message more potent]" - DJT
[QUOTE=BryndenRivers;51998641][video=youtube;qXJ4vutME50]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJ4vutME50[/video][/QUOTE]
It's a shame that Major News Stations and his opponents didn't bring this up whenever he attempted to seem non-interventionist during the campaign, what fools.
[QUOTE=fredstin22;51999089].[/QUOTE]
Airstrikes are up 400% under Trump, and he granted the CIA the power to authorize air strikes. Yemen has been bombed more times in one month than Obama allowed in an entire year.
[QUOTE=fredstin22;51999089]Air strikes during the Obama administration also led to high civilian tolls, most notably during an operation last year in Manbij, when the city was held by Islamic State militants[/QUOTE]
At least he didn't say they needed to take out their families.
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Air strikes during the Obama administration also led to high civilian tolls, most notably during an operation last year in Manbij, when the city was held by Islamic State militants[/QUOTE]
"obama did it too so you cant criticize trump without bringing up obama" :huh:
[QUOTE=fredstin22;51999089][QUOTE]Air strikes during the Obama administration also led to high civilian tolls, most notably during an operation last year in Manbij, when the city was held by Islamic State militants
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at least he wasn't going out of his way to justify it and normalize it
That's rough, condolences to their families.
And they wonder why people flock to these groups in the first place.
It's almost like that's the tactic terrorists groups in the middle east have been using for 30+ years. Keeping their stockpiles in schools and hospitals so that, 1, it's "safe," and 2, when they get attacked, they have propaganda pieces. This isn't anything new
[QUOTE=Komodoh;51999301]It's almost like that's the tactic terrorists groups in the middle east have been using for 30+ years. Keeping their stockpiles in schools and hospitals so that, 1, it's "safe," and 2, when they get attacked, they have propaganda pieces. This isn't anything new[/QUOTE]
maybe we shouldn't be fighting wars in the middle east then
hmmmmmmm
[QUOTE=fredstin22;51999089]Air strikes during the Obama administration also led to high civilian tolls, most notably during an operation last year in Manbij, when the city was held by Islamic State militant[/QUOTE]
So fucking what. He was criticised just the same.
Why is everyone suddenly all talking about this? Obama has been murdering Syrians since 2011. It started out by making a propaganda against the Syrian government, then arming and creating terrorist groups, then bombing civilians. At least when Trump became president, he halted what Obama was doing, which is arming the terrorists. The war is closer to ending then ever now, terrorists no longer have full support of the US.
[QUOTE=AnnieOakley;51998706]It's a shame that Major News Stations and his opponents didn't bring this up whenever he attempted to seem non-interventionist during the campaign, what fools.[/QUOTE]
It was all over the news.
[QUOTE=vrej;52000166]Why is everyone suddenly all talking about this? Obama has been murdering Syrians since 2011. It started out by making a propaganda against the Syrian government, then arming and creating terrorist groups, then bombing civilians. At least when Trump became president, he halted what Obama was doing, which is arming the terrorists. The war is closer to ending then ever now, terrorists no longer have full support of the US.[/QUOTE]
Because
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51999106]Airstrikes are up 400% under Trump, and he granted the CIA the power to authorize air strikes. Yemen has been bombed more times in one month than Obama allowed in an entire year.[/QUOTE]
"But Obama!" doesn't translate well here. He used airstrikes but he had a bunch of rules in place meant to reduce civilian casualties, and Trump removed those rules. If the GOP is so against the overuse of these strikes, they should introduce some legislation to fix it, but they won't because now the strikes are being done under a GOP administration so it's okay even though over 400% more strikes are being done and more civilians are dying.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52001333]Because
"But Obama!" doesn't translate well here. He used airstrikes but he had a bunch of rules in place meant to reduce civilian casualties, and Trump removed those rules. If the GOP is so against the overuse of these strikes, they should introduce some legislation to fix it, but they won't because now the strikes are being done under a GOP administration so it's okay even though over 400% more strikes are being done and more civilians are dying.[/QUOTE]
All of this wouldn't have happened if Obama didn't start all those wars.
[QUOTE=Highwind017;51999235]And they wonder why people flock to these groups in the first place.[/QUOTE]
That would involve having any desire to understand what causes terrorism in the first place, when you can make yourself look good to your voter base by being STRONG and TOUGH and KILL EM ALL.
[QUOTE=vrej;52001981]All of this wouldn't have happened if Obama didn't start all those wars.[/QUOTE]
Please clarify what all those wars Obama started are
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52002033]Please clarify what all those wars Obama started are[/QUOTE]
Syria, Yemen, Libya. He supported terrorists in all of these wars and basically destroyed the countries. And technically speaking, he is one of the reasons that ISIS was created. Also should I talk about the arming of Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, Al-Jabra etc.
How exactly? Are you holding him solely responsible for the wars? Are the terrorists the only influence to the wars?
Syrian civil war started out of people going against Assad who they see as authoritarian and protested until they were shot at and it escalate into military defection into the FSA and other groups forming to fight against him.
Yemen is a conflict between two groups claiming to be government and this conflict has a background from all the way from 2004.
Libya had the Arab Spring and now has a conflict between government and other groups claiming territory.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52002268]How exactly? Are you holding him solely responsible for the wars? Are the terrorists the only influence to the wars?
Syrian civil war started out of people going against Assad who they see as authoritarian and protested until they were shot at and it escalate into military defection into the FSA and other groups forming to fight against him.
Yemen is a conflict between two groups claiming to be government and this conflict has a background from all the way from 2004.
Libya had the Arab Spring and now has a conflict between government and other groups claiming territory.[/QUOTE]
Syrian "Civil" War, oh god here we go...
we aren't going anywhere since you didn't respond to anything lol
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52002385]we aren't going anywhere since you didn't respond to anything lol[/QUOTE]
I just don't see a reason to continue, the moment you said the war in Syria is a civil war already shows how much western news you watch. So continuing this conversation, it's not going to get anywhere. It's going to be a waste of time for both of us.
You seem to be unable to explain as to why you think the things you do. Thanks for the talk even tho nothing concrete came out of it, I guess. Running out of it just because I said "Syrian Civil War" when there were other things we were discussing as well is pretty weird especially since you didn't explain any of it but whatever, have a nice day.
[QUOTE=vrej;52002393]I just don't see a reason to continue, the moment you said the war in Syria is a civil war already shows how much western news you watch. So continuing this conversation, it's not going to get anywhere. It's going to be a waste of time for both of us.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but that's a really lame cop-out. If you're going to act like you know more than someone, and they ask you to expand on your amazing knowledge, and you say "well, heh, you watch the Western media, why bother :cool:" then you're going to get called out.
[QUOTE=Highwind017;51999235]And they wonder why people flock to these groups in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Because they have a deathwish? That's just not a good argument either way to say because another country is fighting them that people are joining them because of that.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;52002429]You seem to be unable to explain as to why you think the things you do. Thanks for the talk even tho nothing concrete came out of it, I guess. Running out of it just because I said "Syrian Civil War" when there were other things we were discussing as well is pretty weird especially since you didn't explain any of it but whatever, have a nice day.[/QUOTE]
Do you know how many time I have explained this here on Facepunch? I got tired of it, every time there is a thread about Syria, I need to explain the same shit all over again. It always ends up with you guys not believing me just because I am from Syria. You guys always end up saying that I am just a blind Assad follower. In fact in a previous thread there was another person from Syria who agreed with me, and people still didn't believe me. We are literally the only people on Facepunch from Syria, and we were both called blind Assad followers. So I hope now you see why I don't want to get in this discussion anymore. You can go to my previous 100s of posts about Syria and see what I am talking about. But like I said in the previous thread, I am not longer going to waste time explaining another person what's actually going on.
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It may seem silly to have written all of this for someone who clearly doesn't care to have a constructive argument but I'd like to be informative. I also find it ludicrous to quit an argument because "eh, u know notin kid go back to watching WESTERN MEDIA"[/QUOTE]
I have had constructive arguments about Syria here before, but it always ended up with the same results. But like I said in the previous thread, I am not longer going to type a whole page explaining it, just go to my previous posts.
Glad to see war crimes can be a bipartisan activity.
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