• Showdown as anti-Putin protesters and police hit Russia's streets
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It's happening again. 200 cities are in, dozens of people have already been detained. [QUOTE]MOSCOW -- Russian police took up positions near the Kremlin on Monday morning, ready to break up a planned protest organized by the country's leading political opposition figure -- a man who hopes to challenge President Vladimir Putin's clutch on power in 2018 elections[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-opposition-protests-alexei-navalny-clashes-moscow-vladimir-putin/[/url] The story is still developing. I am sure you can find only fragmentary information about the protests. Streams: [url]https://youtu.be/nUb5yrl0ggc[/url] [url]https://youtu.be/cH5FgsZ1npQ[/url] (Moscow)
How organized are the protestors this time?
[QUOTE=Ghost656;52346488]How organized are the protestors this time?[/QUOTE] It's the same as it was on the 26th. Most of the initiative is from Navalny supporters and Artpodgotovka subscribers. A lot of young people who are afraid of cops. It won't bring any real change that's for sure
Happy Russia day eh
The great irony is that Tverskaya street (where protests happen in Moscow) was prepared for historical reconstruction event wich in terms ment that they had to establish authentic barricades [img]https://pp.userapi.com/c836121/v836121387/3b672/vukTWFFfSzg.jpg[/img] lol you could even see some medieval reconstructors in stream.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;52346712]The great irony is that Tverskaya street (where protests happen in Moscow) was prepared for historical reconstruction event wich in terms ment that they had to establish authentic barricades [img]https://pp.userapi.com/c836121/v836121387/3b672/vukTWFFfSzg.jpg[/img] lol you could even see some medieval reconstructors in stream.[/QUOTE] Can I just say I really admire how seriously your country takes it military history, we could do with some more of that here in the west.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52346919]Can I just say I really admire how seriously your country takes it military history, we could do with some more of that here in the west.[/QUOTE] I know you don't mean anything bad but it's not just because of cultural appreciation that countries such as Russia like to glorify their military (history) so much. I think we can do without military parades and such.
Update: over 600 people detained in Moscow, putting the total above 1000 Source in Russian: [url]https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/06/12/72771-den-rossii-protiv-korruptsii-v-regionah-prohodyat-aktsii-storonnikov-navalnogo-est-zaderzhannye[/url]
[QUOTE=Demeschik;52346984]Update: over 600 people detained in Moscow, putting the total above 1000 Source in Russian: [url]https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/06/12/72771-den-rossii-protiv-korruptsii-v-regionah-prohodyat-aktsii-storonnikov-navalnogo-est-zaderzhannye[/url][/QUOTE] Realistically, what's going to happen to these detainees? Are they never going to be heard from again?
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52347370]Realistically, what's going to happen to these detainees? Are they never going to be heard from again?[/QUOTE] Released the next day/this evening with stern words about not to do it again.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52347370]Realistically, what's going to happen to these detainees? Are they never going to be heard from again?[/QUOTE] Most of them will be released within the day, some will have to go to court. Most of those in court will be fined, others might get community service. Undoubtedly, a few people will get criminal convictions for "assaulting" or actually assaulting police officers. Detention is a very confusing experience and knowing that you may be detained is enough of a deterrent for some not to show up to protests.
I mean I'm not being shitty, I'm genuinely curious about what protesting in Russia wins you.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52347715]I mean I'm not being shitty, I'm genuinely curious about what protesting in Russia wins you.[/QUOTE] A free night in jail
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;52347715]I mean I'm not being shitty, I'm genuinely curious about what protesting in Russia wins you.[/QUOTE] There is no civil society in Russia. Paternalism is very, very strong. In the US you have bible study groups, bowling clubs, volunteer organizations and the like. What we have here is either not popular or popular by the virtue of being set up by the government (=shills) Your typical protester is a young person, either a uni or school student. Most of their life has taken place during the Putin presidency, their active years - during the country's decline. It only makes sense to protest. Most political parties are fake, their only function is to sign whatever the people in power tell them to. They make no effort to help this country become a better place or even gather electorate. In those protests, you can see new organizations, such as whatever Navalny stands for, PARNAS (party for the people's freedom), and Open Russia, come to life.
This was such a surreal shitshow. A wide street filled to the brim with protesters, policemen, random people as well as all those medieval knights, hussars and various reconstruction stuff varying from horse dummies to a full scale ww1 plane with engines and such. Actually it's kind of really sad, as it could have been a pretty interesting event to visit if it wasn't for the protesters and the police. The thing is, those willing to express their protest were provided with a place not far from the city center to hold their event there, but still decided it would be better to just come to the very center and ruin the reconstruction. It's not like I support Putin's regime, but fuck those protesters too as well.
[QUOTE=antianan;52348073]This was such a surreal shitshow. A wide street filled to the brim with protesters, policemen, random people as well as all those medieval knights, hussars and various reconstruction stuff varying from horse dummies to a full scale ww1 plane with engines and such. Actually it's kind of really sad, as it could have been a pretty interesting event to visit if it wasn't for the protesters and the police. The thing is, those willing to express their protest were provided with a place not far from the city center to hold their event there, but still decided it would be better to just come to the very center and ruin the reconstruction. It's not like I support Putin's regime, but fuck those protesters too as well.[/QUOTE] Well, this is kinda the point of protests, disrupt the flow, get attention - it does inconvenience people because it has to. It's a small price to pay for having people stand up to the regime.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52346919]Can I just say I really admire how seriously your country takes it military history, we could do with some more of that here in the west.[/QUOTE] I dont think you get the point of military parades....
[QUOTE=antianan;52348073]This was such a surreal shitshow. A wide street filled to the brim with protesters, policemen, random people as well as all those medieval knights, hussars and various reconstruction stuff varying from horse dummies to a full scale ww1 plane with engines and such. Actually it's kind of really sad, as it could have been a pretty interesting event to visit if it wasn't for the protesters and the police. The thing is, those willing to express their protest were provided with a place not far from the city center to hold their event there, but still decided it would be better to just come to the very center and ruin the reconstruction. It's not like I support Putin's regime, but fuck those protesters too as well.[/QUOTE] Apparently, they did it because every proper contractor disagreed (=was pressured by the government) to set up necessary equipment for such a mass event that Navalny decided to move it to Tverskaya. That's what he said, at least. [editline]12th June 2017[/editline] This was taken in my city lel [t]https://pp.userapi.com/c637819/v637819716/53853/vP7m7E922ks.jpg[/t]
So they were all arrested (including the opposition leader) for having an unsanctioned protest Would the government ever sanction these types of protests in the first place?
[QUOTE=Potus;52349723]So they were all arrested (including the opposition leader) for having an unsanctioned protest Would the government ever sanction these types of protests in the first place?[/QUOTE] Never if it's an actual protest. Maybe if it's planned "pocket opposition" event.
The results are in! About 1500 detainees, 800 of them are in Moscow. Opposition leader Navalny has already been tried in court and arrested for 30 days.
Russian anti-government protesters are such fucking badasses.
[QUOTE=1239the;52351822]Russian anti-government protesters are such fucking badasses.[/QUOTE] Ain't nothing badass about a protest soo predictably inefficient.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;52348249]Apparently, they did it because every proper contractor disagreed (=was pressured by the government) to set up necessary equipment for such a mass event that Navalny decided to move it to Tverskaya. That's what he said, at least. [/QUOTE] In a town of almost 17 million people, not a single person could be found to provide equipment. If you think at least a minute on this statement, you suddenly start to realize why the protest was sent to Tverskaya instead. [QUOTE=Demeschik;52347828] Most political parties are fake, their only function is to sign whatever the people in power tell them to. They make no effort to help this country become a better place or even gather electorate. [/QUOTE] Because they are all bought by United Russia (Edinaya Rossiya) party. [QUOTE=MrJazzy;52348091]Well, this is kinda the point of protests, disrupt the flow, get attention - it does inconvenience people because it has to. It's a small price to pay for having people stand up to the regime.[/QUOTE] Two-sided coin. If somebody would ruin my experience of going to the historical reconstruction event and have a good time I'd be more pissed and inclined to side against the protesters. There actually was a protest on the original spot (where Navalny claimed they couldn't go due to contractors not bringing equipment).... with the said equipment available and installed? [t]http://cs6.pikabu.ru/post_img/2017/06/12/8/1497275499232051432.jpg[/t] [t]http://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/2017/06/12/8/1497275537271579234.jpg[/t]
Ye. From Volkova, which is so sold out to the government, it's not even funny. The whole day can be described as "morons vs idiots vs shitheads"
[QUOTE=antianan;52348073]The thing is, those willing to express their protest were provided with a place not far from the city center to hold their event there, but still decided it would be better to just come to the very center and ruin the reconstruction. It's not like I support Putin's regime, but fuck those protesters too as well.[/QUOTE] Fuck off with that, will you? Sure, a "protest" is when you ask the dictator if it allows you to kinda maybe, well, stand somewhere with a few banners. Don't yell too loudly though, policemen are nervous. Putin fucks up the country? The police and all the other government-sanctioned [i]gangs[/i] are shitting all over your rights? Okay, "protest" for a bit, but don't inconvenience anyone, it's [i]baaaad[/i]. [QUOTE=Demeschik;52348249] This was taken in my city lel [t]https://pp.userapi.com/c637819/v637819716/53853/vP7m7E922ks.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Heh, I talked to that guy. He wasn't allowed to participate at the start of the event because apparently you can't have a crudely made wooden replica of a... sword, I guess? - at the rally. Police found it too dangerous. Too bad I didn't stay until he was let in, I wonder what he had to say, seemed like a nice person.
[QUOTE=gudman;52352080]Fuck off with that, will you? Sure, a "protest" is when you ask the dictator if it allows you to kinda maybe, well, stand somewhere with a few banners. Don't yell too loudly though, policemen are nervous. Putin fucks up the country? The police and all the other government-sanctioned [I]gangs[/I] are shitting all over your rights? Okay, "protest" for a bit, but don't inconvenience anyone, it's [I]baaaad[/I]. [/QUOTE] It's not about dictators, it's about causing problems to regular people that don't care about the protest. They could have done this anywhere in the center, with a crowd that big they would have inevitably drawn attention to their event regardless of the place. I understand this would have still caused a lot of inconvenience, and, as the guy above said, that's the point of any protest, but ruining the reconstruction just for the sake of it is a bit over the top I think.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;52351847]Ain't nothing badass about a protest soo predictably inefficient.[/QUOTE] Is it inefficient because RT and Sputnik said so?
[QUOTE=Stopper;52352763]Is it inefficient because RT and Sputnik said so?[/QUOTE] Sadly, those particular protests were ignored by mass media. This is the fourth big opposition protest in five years that has failed to turn into actual politics. The government will keep on keeping on and most protesters won't bother to join a party or agitate for their candidates outside of social media bubbles.
[QUOTE=Demeschik;52353525]Sadly, those particular protests were ignored by mass media. This is the fourth big opposition protest in five years that has failed to turn into actual politics. The government will keep on keeping on and most protesters won't bother to join a party or agitate for their candidates outside of social media bubbles.[/QUOTE] With the government owning the media, it's not a surprise. Doesn't mean they don't need to happen. That's why Navalny is on Youtube - no TV or newspaper wanted to have him.
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