Muslim cleric charged over 'marriage' of 13yo girl
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[QUOTE]A Muslim cleric has been charged in Sydney over the alleged illegal marriage of a 13-year-old girl earlier this year.
The 35-year-old was arrested outside Parramatta Police Station yesterday afternoon.
The cleric, from the Hunter region, has been charged with solemnisation of a marriage by an unauthorised person.
He has been released on strict bail conditions and is due to appear in Parramatta Local Court in April.
The marriage has no legal standing in Australia because of the girl's age.
A 26-year-old Lebanese national remains in custody after being charged last week with child sex offences.
Police say he met and married the 13-year-old girl in the Hunter region, where he allegedly began a sexual relationship with her.
The man and girl then moved to Sydney's west earlier this year.
The relationship came to light when the man tried to enrol the girl at a high school.
Police also questioned the girl's parents last week and said they believed the parents had a hand in arranging the marriage.
Detective Inspector Peter Yeomans from the Child Abuse Squad said after today's arrest that more charges may still be laid in the months ahead.
"We're still investigating the matter, it's only early days. We only received the allegation on, I think it was last Thursday," he said.
"But there may be other persons charged or even further charges in relation to people who have already been charged in relation to this."
New South Wales Premier Barry O'Farrell has praised police for charging the cleric over the marriage.
"I'm delighted charges have been laid against the celebrant who allegedly solemnized this wedding that was clearly illegal," he said.
"We have rules in this country, in this state, about those who celebrate marriages, whether they are religious celebrants or civil celebrants.
"Those rules say that people have to be over the age of 18 unless a court has specified otherwise."[/QUOTE]
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Good to see western culture pushing back a little.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;43866379]Good to see western culture pushing back a little.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that we wouldn't normally prosecute based on this scenario?
[quote]Peter Yeomans from the [B]Child Abuse Squad[/B][/quote]
Thats a rather unfortunate name out of context.
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;43866517]Are you saying that we wouldn't normally prosecute based on this scenario?[/QUOTE]
Im saying It wouldnt suprise me if we didnt.
what does him being muslim have anything to do with this
[QUOTE=KingArcher;43866607]snip[/QUOTE]
religious people admire their prophets
and guess which prophet married 9 years old girl?
[QUOTE=cucumber;43866620]religious people admire their prophets
and guess which prophet married 9 years old girl?[/QUOTE]
because that's what was the norm for literally everyone back then
the quran doesn't state to fuck every 8 year old you see, you do realize that most islamic countries have the age of consent to around 16 like everyone else
[QUOTE=KingArcher;43866607]what does him being muslim have anything to do with this[/QUOTE]
You may want to ask a journalist, who came up with the name title of this article a question.
[QUOTE=varg666;43866705]You may want to ask a journalist, who come up with the name title of this article a question.[/QUOTE]
oh ok
thank u
How fucking backwards can you get. Is this what Islam's ideal is? To be a pedophile like the prophet?
I mean I love the hookah that I'm smoking right now, but this shit is just barbaric.
[QUOTE=KingArcher;43866607]what does him being muslim have anything to do with this[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Xystus234;43866734]How fucking backwards can you get. Is this what Islam's ideal is? To be a pedophile like the prophet?
I mean I love the hookah that I'm smoking right now, but this shit is just barbaric.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't cite 'to be a pedophile like the prophet' if I were you. Child marriage was quite a common thing in many cultures at that time. However, people didn't know any better in those days either. Only the literalists in the Islamic religion, be it whichever sect of Islam (though especially the Sunnis, who only follow a literal interpretation of the Shari'a), subscribe to this form of thinking. Many moderate Muslims, and a majority of Shi'a Muslims, consider this to be hogwash and completely dumb.
[quote]In Islamic nations, many countries do not allow child marriage of girls under their civil code of laws. But, the state recognized Sharia religious laws and courts in all these nations have the power to override the civil code, and often do.[/quote]
[quote]The problem of child marriage is at times justified on the basis of religious foundations. Historically, it can be explained as a reaction to invasions by foreigners; desire to perpetuate the cult of the family by marrying the son early; by marrying the daughter early to escape the discredit caused to the family by the presence of grown-up maiden; or by desire of mother to marry her son early so that she may sooner obtain the possession of a daughter-in-law in whom the mother could inculcate her habits of obedience and who could share the domestic chores with the mother. In the case of parents, sometimes it is due to their keenness to relieve themselves of the responsibility of marrying their daughter. They are also considered socially acceptable for reasons of responsibility and economically desirable for saving marriage expenses, bride price, and dowry.[/quote]
[quote]The age of marriage in Islam for women varies with country. Traditionally, Islam has permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Sharia considers practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as a basis for Islamic law. According to Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two authentic hadiths, the Prophet married Aisha, his third wife when she was 6, and consummated the marriage before she reached the age of 10.
Narrated: 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).'[/quote]
However, here's a bit of a pickle:
[quote]According to Islamic law (sharia), marriage cannot be forced. Other scholars suggest that all child marriages are implicitly forced marriages.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;43866580]Im saying It wouldnt suprise me if we didnt.[/QUOTE]
lol. yeah man, because people get away with child marriage all the time, that's how much the west kowtows to muslims, i mean first they're allowed to wear their damn burkas, next they're marrying children while the PC-gone-mad politicians let it happen
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43866837]I wouldn't cite 'to be a pedophile like the prophet' if I were you. Child marriage was quite a common thing in many cultures at that time. However, people didn't know any better in those days either. Only the literalists in the Islamic religion, be it whichever sect of Islam (though especially the Sunnis, who only follow a literal interpretation of the Shari'a), subscribe to this form of thinking. Many moderate Muslims, and a majority of Shi'a Muslims, consider this to be hogwash and completely dumb.[/QUOTE]
Mohammad consummated marriage with a 9 year old girl. That's not normal culture of the time.
[QUOTE=sgman91;43866938]Mohammad consummated marriage with a 9 year old girl. That's not normal culture of the time.[/QUOTE]
marriages like that were quite common to the Bedouins around that time
plus theres still actual debate on whether or not the marriage was consummated, the age of her when she was married, and whether or not she had reached puberty by that point, infact the compiler of the hadiths even said that she was 19 when married so who knows
[QUOTE=sgman91;43866938]Mohammad consummated marriage with a 9 year old girl. That's not normal culture of the time.[/QUOTE]
a hit, sgman91! It is, indeed, true that consummating marriage with a 9 year old girl is a stretch no matter how you slice it, but like I mentioned, moderate Muslims don't go with that sort of shit. You can't argue with somebody who goes 'but the Prophet did it so it must be OK' no matter how you try and point out that it isn't sensible, and won't listen to somebody else with a better viewpoint.
any way y'all PC mothafuckaz like to spin it, modernization or not of Islamic principles, the qu'ran and it's teachings still not only encourage pedophilia, but teach it to each generation to make it culturally acceptable... the qu'ran is entirely against females. Followers taking mohammad's positions on life literally are still pedophiles. Anybody that encourages this behavior may not be a pedo themselves, but they are actively perpetuating this cycle. sure, all religions have their fair share of fucking nut cases and people that need to be executed, but the region of the world that downloads not only the most incest related pornography but also child porn, is the middle east... hmm. i wonder?
[QUOTE=SickJits;43867087]any way y'all PC mothafuckaz like to spin it, modernization or not of Islamic principles, the qu'ran and it's teachings still not only encourage pedophilia, but teach it to each generation to make it culturally acceptable... the qu'ran is entirely against females. Followers taking mohammad's positions on life literally are still pedophiles. Anybody that encourages this behavior may not be a pedo themselves, but they are actively perpetuating this cycle. sure, all religions have their fair share of fucking nut cases and people that need to be executed, but the region of the world that downloads not only the most incest related pornography but also child porn, is the middle east... hmm. i wonder?[/QUOTE]
Except not all Muslims follow the Qu'ran literally. Those who do follow it literally are the problem here. Islam and Muslims are adapting, if slowly, to the modern world. On a purely personal basis, I know several Muslims, good fellas all, who try to epitomize the good and shut out the bad and the irrelevant as far as religious teachings go.
And try to make posts that don't sound like they come from an uninformed tumblr user if possible, that helps.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43867123]Except not all Muslims follow the Qu'ran literally. Those who do follow it literally are the problem here. Islam and Muslims are adapting, if slowly, to the modern world. On a purely personal basis, I know several Muslims, good fellas all, who try to epitomize the good and shut out the bad and the irrelevant as far as religious teachings go.
And try to make posts that don't sound like they come from an uninformed tumblr user if possible, that helps.[/QUOTE]
did you not read the part of the post where i literally say all that
[QUOTE=SickJits;43867087]any way y'all PC mothafuckaz like to spin it, modernization or not of Islamic principles, the qu'ran and it's teachings still not only encourage pedophilia, but teach it to each generation to make it culturally acceptable... the qu'ran is entirely against females. Followers taking mohammad's positions on life literally are still pedophiles. Anybody that encourages this behavior may not be a pedo themselves, but they are actively perpetuating this cycle. sure, all religions have their fair share of fucking nut cases and people that need to be executed, but the region of the world that downloads not only the most incest related pornography but also child porn, is the middle east... hmm. i wonder?[/QUOTE]
I just want to note that it's very odd to see a defense of women coming from someone saying "y'all PC mothafuckaz".
I think the fact that there's so much religious extremism in the Middle East is a leading cause, not the specific religion itself. Although I'm sure "Mohammad consummated with a 9 year old" doesn't help.
If it were practically any other religion that the majority of the area believed in, you would see roughly the same amount of problems.
To be honest, though, I'm no expert in the causes of the Middle East's extremism, and I'm too tired to look it up so
[QUOTE=SickJits;43867087]any way y'all PC mothafuckaz like to spin it, modernization or not of Islamic principles, the qu'ran and it's teachings still not only encourage pedophilia, but teach it to each generation to make it culturally acceptable... the qu'ran is entirely against females. Followers taking mohammad's positions on life literally are still pedophiles. Anybody that encourages this behavior may not be a pedo themselves, but they are actively perpetuating this cycle. sure, all religions have their fair share of fucking nut cases and people that need to be executed, but the region of the world that downloads not only the most incest related pornography but also child porn, is the middle east... hmm. i wonder?[/QUOTE]
Y'ALL PC MOTHAFUCKAZ. lol.
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[QUOTE=Last or First;43867156]I just want to note that it's very odd to see a defense of women coming from someone saying "y'all PC mothafuckaz".
I think the fact that there's so much religious extremism in the Middle East is a leading cause, not the specific religion itself. Although I'm sure "Mohammad consummated with a 9 year old" doesn't help.
If it were practically any other religion that the majority of the area believed in, you would see roughly the same amount of problems.
To be honest, though, I'm no expert in the causes of the Middle East's extremism, and I'm too tired to look it up so[/QUOTE]
extremism is caused by poverty and lack of education. you can say that sure it must be islam, but take a look at myanmar, overwhelming buddhist majority that routinely massacres muslims and destroys mosques. and this is buddhism we're talking about, the religion where you're not even meant to kill insects
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oops i thought that said 'wouldn't' not 'would' my bad last or first, just pretend my post is added onto yours
this thread makes me want to quit facepunch
[QUOTE=KingArcher;43866632]because that's what was the norm for literally everyone back then
the quran doesn't state to fuck every 8 year old you see, you do realize that most islamic countries have the age of consent to around 16 like everyone else[/QUOTE]
That's a gross over simplification of the age of consent. There are lots of Christian countries with a age of consent lower than 16, Germany, Austria, France, Portugal, Spain, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico etc. In fact most countries in the EU have an age of consent lower than 16.
[QUOTE=SickJits;43867087]any way y'all PC mothafuckaz like to spin it, modernization or not of Islamic principles, the qu'ran and it's teachings still not only encourage pedophilia, but teach it to each generation to make it culturally acceptable... the qu'ran is entirely against females. Followers taking mohammad's positions on life literally are still pedophiles. Anybody that encourages this behavior may not be a pedo themselves, but they are actively perpetuating this cycle. sure, all religions have their fair share of fucking nut cases and people that need to be executed, but the region of the world that downloads not only the most incest related pornography but also child porn, is the middle east... hmm. i wonder?[/QUOTE]
Have you read the Koran?
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[QUOTE=frozensoda;43867224]this thread makes me want to quit facepunch[/QUOTE]
The racism and imperialism came out of the woodworks pretty fucking fast.
Reminds me of the Ham debate where he says some parts of the bible should be read as poems and some should be taken literally, kinda like your own pick n choose religion. Defeats the purpose of being the religion if you don't follow the teachings of your "holy" book.
So yeah, why are you a muslim if you don't go by your book and choose to block out the bad parts like they don't exist anymore. It's like stuffing your ears and going "lalalalalala I can't hear you" when the flaws of their beliefs are pointed out like this. This goes for every religion with a "holy" book with commands in it and a person you should follow aka the prophet.
If you realize that marrying a 9 year old is wrong then maybe you should also realize how backwards the whole thing is. Back to the "lalalala , I can't hear you" I guess.
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;43867336]Have you read the Koran?
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The racism and imperialism came out of the woodworks pretty fucking fast.[/QUOTE]
yes, i have. parts.
and while the pedophilia may be 'vague' (bull shit)
the shari'a law is absolute bull shit towards women.
[QUOTE=SickJits;43867833]yes, i have. parts.
and while the pedophilia may be 'vague' (bull shit)
the shari'a law is absolute bull shit towards women.[/QUOTE]
i won't disagree with that. but every abrahamic religion is shit towards women, so i feel it's unfair to shit on islam the most. if you got a problem with all the abrahamic bullshit then sweet as i'm on your side but i visibly cringe everytime i see people complain about PC
I love how literally the dumbest and worst posters crawl out of their holes as soon as a thread title with muslim in it pops up
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[QUOTE=KingArcher;43866607]what does him being muslim have anything to do with this[/QUOTE]
Well if it just said "Cleric charged over 'marriage' of 13yo girl" I'd think this was about a D&D campaign.
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