Paradox pulls "discriminatory" Stellaris mod that made all human - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-05-24-paradox-pulls-discriminatory-stellaris-mod-that-made-all-humans-white"]SOURCE[/URL] [QUOTE]Paradox has removed a Stellaris mod which altered the game's human race to be entirely made up of white characters with European names.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"We shipped the game originally with an accurate representation of humans, that is to say diverse in both ethnicity and personality," a Paradox spokesperson told Eurogamer. "We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, we do NOT however wish to enable discriminatory practices.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Despite the developer's stance towards this particular mod, [URL="http://www.moddb.com/games/stellaris/addons/europeans"]it is currently still available via third party site ModDB.[/URL][/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRjmJIaYVmdSHBJJqfSH-bw/videos"]A link to the mod creator's youtube, "Progeny of Europe"[/URL] [URL="http://www.moddb.com/games/stellaris/addons/europeans"]Link to mod on ModDB[/URL]

We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, unless its something that we don't like. Seriously, who the fuck cares? This has to be the most trivial shit ever. Both that someone went through the effort of making it, but moreso that they went through the effort of axing it.

Not that I support them taking down mods because they find them objectionable, but that's a really weird fucking mod, and the author sounds like a nutjob anyway. So... was anything of value really lost?

can it be reposted with the express idea that you're playing a space-nazi race thats finished exterminating all inferior life on earth, so they moved onto the stars? also bonus, their ships are zepplins and retrofuturistic because space-nazis

Heehee, I wouldn't wanna be the decision maker in this case but it's funny to see people try and pretend they're not /pol/tards on /v/

You can just enslave and purge the blacks if you want

Somebody should mod Tomb Raider games to play as a guy, just so we can see if anything will happen.

There was an interesting discussion opened up in regards to the inaccuracies of the names. You have dark, black-skinned guys being named things like "Reinhardt von Babenburg", or white chicks getting "Xi Lei" or w/e. I wouldn't have a problem if you could ethnically "lock" your characters in order to role play them better, or at the very least have names set to ethnicity so it makes sense.

Put in the effort to exterminate the race you hate ffs.... modern are entitled babies.

[QUOTE=DJrorok;50386466]You can just enslave and purge the blacks if you want[/QUOTE] Exactly. I could literally go around and eliminate all non-white races on my planets as that is a feature in the game and is more or less encouraged with some empires and their "xenophobic" tendencies. But remember, this is the same company that refuses to allow players to add swastikas to mods (you'll be permabanned from their forums) but has no qualms about mentioning the rape of nanjing.

iirc the mod linked to a youtube channel [url=https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tv8IEXSuuyMJ:steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/%3Fid%3D682291921%26searchtext%3D+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=br]"Progeny of Europe"[/url] and that might've been why.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50386480]There was an interesting discussion opened up in regards to the inaccuracies of the names. You have dark, black-skinned guys being named things like "Reinhardt von Babenburg", or white chicks getting "Xi Lei" or w/e. I wouldn't have a problem if you could ethnically "lock" your characters in order to role play them better, or at the very least have names set to ethnicity so it makes sense.[/QUOTE] Names are not tied to ethnicity. This is especially absurd to consider when this is a scifi setting thousands of years in the future.

[QUOTE=Take_Opal;50386498]Names are not tied to ethnicity. Thus us especially absurd to consider when this is a scifi setting thousands of years in the future.[/QUOTE] That's not what I meant. What I meant is to have names either be semi-accurate or just have them totally randomized. Also, you can have successors to empires look totally different than their blood parent. I'm going to be raising the hairs on some people when I say that, I know it, but please understand that by no means do I support the creation of this particular mod. If there was a "mono-ethnic empires" mod that had no political qualms, then so be it, go right on ahead.

ok another suggestion make a mod that adds the black-on-the-left and black-on-the-right people from star trek [t]https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog_media/2016/is_your_algorithm_discriminatory/star_trek.png[/t] then have you purge the left-blacks because fuck those guys

Why is anyone upset about this? They didn't censor the mod. It is still available on third party websites. They just didn't want to host it themselves. Look four posts up from this one. [quote]This is a simple mod that makes it so there are only European Humans - no 'multiculturalism' here![/quote] totally innocent

reminds me of a stardew valley mod where it turned a black dude white probably because people couldn't handle seeing a black guy married to a white girl??

[QUOTE=Sableye;50386459]can it be reposted with the express idea that you're playing a space-nazi race thats finished exterminating all inferior life on earth, so they moved onto the stars? also bonus, their ships are zepplins and retrofuturistic because space-nazis[/QUOTE] I use to do this in Galactic Civ 2, imported a swastika for my flag and tried to make my own retro future style spaceships.

Scientifically speaking, race is a social construct. You have certain identifiable phenotypes of humans because for millenia they lived in fairly distinct groups, in fairly distinct climates, and didn't really mix much (leading to distinguishing physical traits), but the fact that all humans are thought to have a common origin in continential Asia/Africa, are able to produce fertile offspring with each other, as well as the fact that while mapping the human genome, scientists found more variation across people of the same 'race' than they found between individuals of different phenotypes, has led them to conclude that 'race' doesn't exist in the way it seems to in most people's minds. [B]Ethnicity, then, is the culture that an individual [I]identifies[/I] with. [/B] Not so much the characteristics they were born with. So if, for example, I was someone with a Chinese background who was born and raised in Canada, and adopted its culture, if I moved to China at some point, but still held on to my Canadian culture, my ethnicity would be Canadian, not Chinese.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50386480]There was an interesting discussion opened up in regards to the inaccuracies of the names. You have dark, black-skinned guys being named things like "Reinhardt von Babenburg", or white chicks getting "Xi Lei" or w/e. I wouldn't have a problem if you could ethnically "lock" your characters in order to role play them better, or at the very least have names set to ethnicity so it makes sense.[/QUOTE] Well, it could conceivably happen. Maybe their families emigrated several generations back, and simply adopted the local culture over time? Happened all the time here in the states. My family used to go by names like Krebs or Van Buren, now we're called Smith or Peterson. Not quite as extreme as this case, obviously, but it's not too much of a stretch.

Commit genocide on multiple planets, eliminating all alien species from space or turning them into slave labor - :ok: No non-white people, optional mod to use - too far

[QUOTE=Wii60;50386590]Commit genocide on multiple planets, eliminating all alien species from space or turning them into slave labor - :ok: No non-white people, optional mod to use - too far[/QUOTE] Shame on Paradox for not wanting to associate with racis-I mean "race realists."

[QUOTE=archangel125;50386451]Not that I support them taking down mods because they find them objectionable, but that's a really weird fucking mod, and the author sounds like a nutjob anyway. So... was anything of value really lost?[/QUOTE] censorship is all right as long as you disagree with it

[QUOTE=Egevened;50386649]censorship is all right as long as you disagree with it[/QUOTE] As someone else pointed out, the mod can still be found on a number of sites, and they're not blocking it from being used with the game. They simply refuse to host it on their own website. And that is A o-fucking-kay.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50386668]As someone else pointed out, the mod can still be found on a number of sites, and they're not blocking it from being used with the game. They simply refuse to host it on their own website. And that is A o-fucking-kay.[/QUOTE] yeah, I don't see how this is any different from Bethesda taking offensive mods off of their platform you can still get it and use it if you want, but why should companies be obligated to host it for you?

I don't understand this kind of logic lol. Make a game that allows you to literally enslave alien species- and choose literal government archetypes that allows your specific civilization xenophobia. Become a dictator that literally commits genocide against his own people when they want to migrate elsewhere. Commit genocide against other alien species in the name of humanity or whatever species you choose. Promote literal speciesism in that your civilization will enslave- then purge non-star faring civilizations, effectively making certain species extinct, and never to be heard of again. But oh fuck, you want a specific human phenotype? Burn in hell racist scum.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;50386447]We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, unless its something that we don't like. Seriously, who the fuck cares? This has to be the most trivial shit ever. Both that someone went through the effort of making it, but moreso that they went through the effort of axing it.[/QUOTE] Honestly it's probably way easier to delete it, like "one button push" easy, so not really that much effort.

[QUOTE=Laferio;50386726] Burn in hell racist scum.[/QUOTE] More like Lazy Easymode scum. If you gonna achieve genocide, do it yourself - don't rely on mods.

That is also true. Only the purest of races can be achieved through hard labor.

[QUOTE=Laferio;50386726]I don't understand this kind of logic lol. Make a game that allows you to literally enslave alien species- and choose literal government archetypes that allows your specific civilization xenophobia. Become a dictator that literally commits genocide against his own people when they want to migrate elsewhere. Commit genocide against other alien species in the name of humanity or whatever species you choose. Promote literal speciesism in that your civilization will enslave- then purge non-star faring civilizations, effectively making certain species extinct, and never to be heard of again. But oh fuck, you want a specific human phenotype? Burn in hell racist scum.[/QUOTE] I think its more of the creator being the proud uh "Progeny of Europe" then him making an all white mod. If creator was a harmless nerd who just really into the Euro folk, his mod should've stayed.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50386772]I think its more of the creator being the proud uh "Progeny of Europe" then him making an all white mod. If creator was a harmless nerd who just really into the Euro folk, his mod should've stayed.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure if it was just a mod that added in a species that was just scarred up grizzled white guys, no one would care it was the creator parading around with his deus volk stormfront shit that got his mod shitcanned