Answer to the "What if my green is your blue?" question.
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First off this isn't going to be a huge thread, and it didn't seem fast threads-y enough to put in fast threads.
I have two different reasons to explain to people that people are actually seeing the same colors, and I'm not sure if these have been said before but I've only seen the question asked and then a bunch of lates given.
1. First off is the simple Black and White trick. Black is the abscence of all color, it can not be perceived any other way, it is black because you are not detecting it, it has to be the darkest of all colors.
Then on the other end of the spectrum we have white, which all colors together and is the absolute opposite of black, and so its an if a is b then b is theory, they must be polar opposites and you can not have that with other colors, (no complimentary colors are not opposites and even if they were other colors can be brighter or darker than them so you can not perceive blue and orange as black and white or vice versa).
So having this in mind, take black, now make it one shade (one very miniscule shade) brighter. It is now grey and it MUST be grey and you can not perceive it as another color because say you perceived it as red, there are many shades darker than red, say maroons, yet we only made the shade of black one shade brighter, and red has many shades darker and brighter than it.
This being said, at most everyone either sees the same colors, or people are mixed in seeing one way while the others are seeing in Negative, because everything could be reversed).
2. Reason two is a bit more complicated but way shorter to type out. and it is color blindedness. For instance I see green and blue as the same, and I can not identify one or the other. People ask me what color is that tree and I say blue. It is green but if everyone saw the same colors differently then my seeing blue and green the same would not matter because everyone elses greens and blues are different from each other. (It's a really tough concept to type but one that you can see in your head.)
Now I'm not saying these ARE the answers, these are just what I have thought about and wondered if anyone else thought this way or agreed with me.
i already knew most of this stuff and the simple fact of genes also help
Colourblindness is easily diagnosable but it's impossible to know if we all see colours the same because we link the names of the colours to how they look to us.
Assuming no colourblindness, it doesn't matter how we see "red", everyone will say the apple is "red" even if they're seeing something different than you.
[b]PERCEPTION IS SUBJECTIVE AND NOTHING IS REAL MAAAAAN[/b]
We need to go deeper.
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24563097]Colourblindness is easily diagnosable but it's impossible to know if we all see colours the same because we link the names of the colours to how they look to us.
Assuming no colourblindness, it doesn't matter how we see "red", everyone will say the apple is "red" even if they're seeing something different than you.
[B]PERCEPTION IS SUBJECTIVE AND NOTHING IS REAL MAAAAAN[/B][/QUOTE]
I have a feeling that the OP didn't really consider the deeper roots of this problem. Different examples of it are still at the base of some of the most commonly seen arguments in the cognitive sciences.
This stuff really causes a mindfuck when you put some deep thought into it...
Thanks for the mental workout OP, now I need to go back to bed
This is like the thread I made a long time ago about how we're supposed to tell if our perception of reality is accurate or not. The example I used was a traffic light - what if you're sitting there at a red and the guy behind you is wondering why the fuck you're holding up traffic; because red actually means go and you were just mistaken at that moment.
You were REALLY sure that red meant stop, you could have sworn that it always used to mean stop, but nope. You were wrong.
There is nothing stopping this from happening to anyone at any time. Your mind is powerful, it can easily recreate what it knows of reality without you knowing.
When I look at a leaf I say it is green because I see it as green and I was told that it is green. But for somebody who sees green as blue the leaf would be blue for them but would say it is green because that is what they are told it is. Really neat to think about.
Well this is quite simple.
Fucking waves, light is made of waves, how you perceive the light is down to shit like colour blindness and the like but at the end of the day, green is always green, just someone is right and someone is wrong.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24563043]i already knew most of this stuff and the simple fact of genes also help[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24563097]Colourblindness is easily diagnosable but it's impossible to know if we all see colours the same because we link the names of the colours to how they look to us.
Assuming no colourblindness, it doesn't matter how we see "red", everyone will say the apple is "red" even if they're seeing something different than you.
[b]PERCEPTION IS SUBJECTIVE AND NOTHING IS REAL MAAAAAN[/b][/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.descarte.demon.co.uk/images/descart2.jpg[/img]
Sup
How we see things is always going to be completely unique to us.
:psyduck:
So wait OP
are you telling me
[img]http://vtheatre.net/pix/blacksquare.jpg[/img]
this green square is not green
[QUOTE=piranhamatt2;24566400]So wait OP
are you telling me
[IMG]http://vtheatre.net/pix/blacksquare.jpg[/IMG]
this green square is not green[/QUOTE]
You're not even trying.
fool it is obviously a dark shade of violet.
[QUOTE=Atchell;24565822][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVyVIsvQoaE[/media][/QUOTE]
I've seen your avatar picture before but it had another girl in it and they were both naked....
We had like 5-6 threads about this last month... The problem is the difference between perception and description.
This shit is fucked up
Your answers didn't solve the problem at all.
I once thought about this, how we see and feel without looking through something, while watching Inception. The resulting explosion wiped out half the town.
light doesnt have colors, its just energy of different wavelengths, like microwaves or radio waves.
we only see visible light as colors because each type of light triggers different chemical reactions in the eye's nerve cells, which are interpreted by the brain[also a chemical reaction].
basically, all the colors we see are the same,
the difference with colorblind people is that some of these chemical reactions dont take place, because they do not have the genetic information to make nerves that percept certain colors in their genes.
[QUOTE=Joshinator;24565956]How we see things is always going to be completely unique to us.[/QUOTE]
Wrong in every way, what we see is exactly the same as everyone else (except the blind, partially blind and colour blind and that sort of shit) but how we INTERPRET what we see will be relatively unique.
i've always wondered since i was young if people saw things the same way i did. for example we could be doing something that in our mind that seems like we are eating a grape while someone else sees us eat a baby and we all look like cows in their mind. that probably made no sense but it's a hard thing to type out. it makes sense in my head....
Please pardon my ignorance but I do not see the mindfuck in this question. Someone could hold up a red card and ask another person what color it is, they say red unless they are colorblind, right? So both persons agree that the card is indeed red. Give me dumbs if you want I just request that someone enlightens me.
[QUOTE=slashsnemesis;24570417]Please pardon my ignorance but I do not see the mindfuck in this question. Someone could hold up a red card and ask another person what color it is, they say red unless they are colorblind, right? So both persons agree that the card is indeed red. Give me dumbs if you want I just request that someone enlightens me.[/QUOTE]
A colourblind person, even someone who is red/green colourblind, CAN distinguish the two from each other on separate cards. Trouble arises when the two colours are next to each other and of the same general darkness. (I have a friend who's red/green colourblind)
[QUOTE=ZekeTwo;24570447]A colourblind person, even someone who is red/green colourblind, CAN distinguish the two from each other on separate cards. Trouble arises when the two colours are next to each other and of the same general darkness. (I have a friend who's red/green colourblind)[/QUOTE]
Well that still doesn't explain the mindfuck. Say you have two non-colorblind persons. You show them a red card, they should both agree that it is red, right?
[img_thumb]http://www.homeplateheroes.com/Bright%20Red%20Suede.jpg[/img_thumb]
This is red, correct?
I Google'd 'square' and found this:
[img]http://www.lonvig.dk/picassomio-molecule-square-atoms.jpg[/img]
To me, I see 3 'boxes' of different shades of gray, and one on the right of the bottom gray box is more greenish (I think). But that's just because I see colours weird.
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