[quote]David Cameron has signalled that he is prepared to campaign for Britain to leave the European Union if he is unable to successfully renegotiate its relationship with Brussels. The Prime Minister is expected to use his speech to the party conference this week to announce plans to give Britain more control over its own borders as well as greater powers to limit migration from within the EU.
Immigration reform would be “at the heart” of Britain’s plans for EU renegotiation, Mr Cameron said.
The Prime Minister said: “Back in 2010 it was realistic that if you could squeeze immigration from outside the EU you could beat the targets but because our economy has grown so much faster than other European countries that are not growing at all we have sucked in a lot of people – f[B]unnily enough not so much from Romania and Bulgaria, but a huge amount of Italians, Spanish, French and other people[/B].[/quote]
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You guys have no idea how amused I am by the bolded part
You could do, but you really shouldn't.
[QUOTE=Gen. Crumpets;46132016]You could do, but you really shouldn't.[/QUOTE]
I dunno lots of poor people in europe and he even said he resents poor people.
[quote]a huge amount of Italians, Spanish, French and other people[/quote]
Y'know, funnily enough I've never heard anybody complaining about immigrants from those countries..
I always thought UK is more part of the US than EU. They always seem to be against anything other EU countries want to do.
I mean the next US president could campaign to leave NATO or SEATO but that won't happen either because its a moronic short sighted decision that ultimately only weakens a country
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46132105]Y'know, funnily enough I've never heard anybody complaining about immigrants from those countries..[/QUOTE]
It's because immigrants from western European countries usually integrate very well.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;46132107]I always thought UK is more part of the US than EU. They always seem to be against anything other EU countries want to do.[/QUOTE]
US stopped being our best buddy after the British public voted against bombing in Syria. The French voted for it and the US proclaimed France as their "oldest and closest ally"
I like to think we are closer to the EU than the US. The US is messed up, at least the EU is semi sane.
Do it you cunt, I dare you.
At this point I am slowly becoming convinced EU could be better off. Sure, bit less cash, but also less conservative idiots vetoing genuine progress.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46132167]Do it you cunt, I dare you.
At this point I am slowly becoming convinced EU could be better off. Sure, bit less cash, but also less conservative idiots vetoing genuine progress.[/QUOTE]
If UK leaves can the north UK say with you guys? We'll pay our own way and vote sanely and stuff, we promise.
He says he'll get us a better deal with the eu if he wins the next election, but I doubt Merkel and the EU cultists will let us have it.
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46132175]If UK leaves can the north UK say with you guys? We'll pay our own way and vote sanely and stuff, we promise.[/QUOTE]
Of course, everyone is welcome.
As long as your economy is vaguely functional.
And as long as you aren't Turkey.
The Eurozone is in absolute shambles at the moment, rising unemployment in Germany, core regions losing manufacturing output, deflation on the horizon, ECB impotence, stagnant regional economies, no growth, negative GDP outlook, etc. A mess that the major EU members seem either unwilling or incapable of addressing in substantive ways.
Britain may very well do good by itself to leave. It's economy is outperforming that out of the EU and it is arguably the strongest individual member in a number of metrics. The UK also enjoys close ties to the US and a free-trade agreement between the two could see billions of dollars of new trade open up.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46132167]Do it you cunt, I dare you.
At this point I am slowly becoming convinced EU could be better off. Sure, bit less cash, but also less conservative idiots vetoing genuine progress.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure the banning of powerful vacuum cleaners is 'genuine progress'.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;46132190]I'm sure the banning of powerful vacuum cleaners is 'genuine progress'.[/QUOTE]
I see your straw man and raise you 1 ad hominem!
"I bet you're 1 of those UKIP voters, eww"
[QUOTE=Srillo;46132185]The Eurozone is in absolute shambles at the moment, rising unemployment in Germany, core regions losing manufacturing output, deflation on the horizon, ECB impotence, stagnant regional economies, no growth, negative GDP outlook, etc. A mess that the major EU members seem either unwilling or incapable of addressing in substantive ways.
Britain may very well do good by itself to leave. It's economy is outperforming that out of the EU and it is arguably the strongest individual member in a number of metrics. The UK also enjoys close ties to the US and a free-trade agreement between the two could see billions of dollars of new trade open up.[/QUOTE]
Last thing I see being approved here is free trade agreements with European nations, just look at the backlash for burger king inverting to Canada, even though businesses here already pay a lower tax share than anywhere else
[editline]2nd October 2014[/editline]
At least not with the midterms and then the 2016 election comming, neither party wants to give the other any more ammunition
[QUOTE=Sableye;46132131]I mean the next US president could campaign to leave NATO or SEATO but that won't happen either because its a moronic short sighted decision that ultimately only weakens a country[/QUOTE]
Learn the difference between the EU and NATO.
Ukip has Cameron scared if he is doing a 180 this quickly. That, or he knows that negotiations will not go in his favor and is slowly easing himself into position to take the harder stance.
Cameron will have to campaign to leave, his party will literally split in half if he doesn't.
[QUOTE=The mouse;46132389]Cameron will have to campaign to leave, his party will literally split in half if he doesn't.[/QUOTE]
Whats more important? his party or britain?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46132465]Whats more important? his party or britain?[/QUOTE]
Or better, what's more important, Britain or pretty much the world?
There was pretty thorough analytical pieces on how European Union will likely collapse if UK steps out, and even if economical deals are re-done as fast as possible, it will mean a massive shakeup of the economical stability that has been always frail in recent years. It would be almost guaranteed to start another, [B]big[/B], worldwide economical crisis.
[QUOTE=Srillo;46132185]The Eurozone is in absolute shambles at the moment, rising unemployment in Germany, core regions losing manufacturing output, deflation on the horizon, ECB impotence, stagnant regional economies, no growth, negative GDP outlook, etc. A mess that the major EU members seem either unwilling or incapable of addressing in substantive ways.
Britain may very well do good by itself to leave. It's economy is outperforming that out of the EU and it is arguably the strongest individual member in a number of metrics. The UK also enjoys close ties to the US and a free-trade agreement between the two could see billions of dollars of new trade open up.[/QUOTE]
Unemployment is lower in Germany than it was a year before. Last month it rose 0.1%, so I don't think you should use that as an argument.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46132465]Whats more important? his party or britain?[/QUOTE]
Why not both?
[QUOTE=Firewarrior;46132517]Unemployment is lower in Germany than it was a year before. Last month it rose 0.1%, so I don't think you should use that as an argument.[/QUOTE]
That is precisely why it is important, Germany is supposed to be on the mend but it isn't. It's growth has stalled out and it's looking down the barrel of a deflation of the Euro that will harm the productive capabilities of it's industrial and manufacturing sectors and the whole of the Eurozone. Germany is the bedrock of the Eurozone, the smallest disturbances ripple out far and wide especially when that uptick in unemployment is unexpected, which is why European markets are down 2% to nearly 3%.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46132175]If UK leaves can the north UK say with you guys? We'll pay our own way and vote sanely and stuff, we promise.[/QUOTE]
I second this. It's not like Westminster will notice us leaving, anyway.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;46132810]I second this. It's not like Westminster will notice us leaving, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Given most people think the North cuts off at Manchester, I agree v:v:v
conclusion to be taken from this thread is that it's okay for the UK to leave the EU if by UK you mean not the North, and not the South, probably not the Midlands either, and I reckon some people in London have a problem with it too.
so basically cameron's household and cornwall
[QUOTE=Srillo;46132762]That is precisely why it is important, Germany is supposed to be on the mend but it isn't. It's growth has stalled out and it's looking down the barrel of a deflation of the Euro that will harm the productive capabilities of it's industrial and manufacturing sectors and the whole of the Eurozone. Germany is the bedrock of the Eurozone, the smallest disturbances ripple out far and wide especially when that uptick in unemployment is unexpected, which is why European markets are down 2% to nearly 3%.[/QUOTE]
It's totallty normal to rise and fall, you can't expect a lower unemployment rate every month. It's already risen somewhen earlier this year and then it fell again.
And unlike the UK's GDP Germany's GDP grew by a much higher rate after the crisis. The UK lags behind.
Hey now, we're mostly fucked because of our own government
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