Kansas Republicans raise taxes, ending GOP governor’s ‘real live experiment’ in conservative policy. - Polidicks

[Quote] In a decisive repudiation of conservative tax-cutting philosophy, Kansas Republicans voted this week to reverse deep tax cuts enacted by Gov. Sam Brownback (R), a move that lays bare the challenges of one-party control and the risks for Republicans in Washington pursuing a similar policy at the national level. The vote by lawmakers in Kansas, which came late Tuesday, followed years of frustration about the damaging impacts of tax cuts on Kansas’s state government. With huge Republican majorities, Brownback had pursued deep reductions in tax rates early in his administration, calling them a “real live experiment” in conservative governance, and tried to veto the legislation rolling them back.[/quote] [Quote] In recent years, Kansas has served as a real-world example of what can happen if tax cuts fail to deliver promised growth. Since Brownback began cutting taxes in 2012, the pace of economic expansion in Kansas has consistently lagged behind that of the rest of the country. Last year, Kansas’s gross domestic product increased just 0.2 percent, federal data show, compared with 1.6 percent nationally. At the end of 2015, the state was in what many economists would describe as a recession, with the economy shrinking for two quarters in a row.[/quote] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/07/kansas-republicans-raise-taxes-rebuking-their-gop-governors-real-live-experiment-in-conservative-policy/?utm_term=.cbc52da9815c"]Source[/URL] Once again proving that trickle down economics don't work.

Republicans raising taxes? :wideeye:

[QUOTE=Uber22;52327503]Republicans raising taxes? :wideeye:[/QUOTE] It's apparently what killed George H.W. Bush's chances for a second term. He ran on "no new taxes" but when he saw that the country was going broke, he had to do something so he raised taxes. They weren't new taxes, he just raised the old ones

[QUOTE=Dr.C;52327511]It's apparently what killed George H.W. Bush's chances for a second term. He ran on "no new taxes" but when he saw that the country was going broke, he had to do something so he raised taxes. They weren't new taxes, he just raised the old ones[/QUOTE] Not exactly him raising the old taxes. We hit a recession, and there was a law in place that mandated that the deficit not exceed a certain amount. If neither new taxes were raised, or spending cut, automatic stabilizers would kick in that'd eviscerate parts of the government that no one wanted to give up. He tried to just cut spending to keep the pledge, and the democrats told him lol no you're going to accept our deal or you're fucked.

Republicans will just say the conditions where not right for true supply-side economics to take place and that if they only try it again it will work. Much like how people argue for communism after the USSR.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;52328812]Republicans will just say the conditions where not right for true supply-side economics to take place and that if they only try it again it will work. Much like how people argue for communism after the USSR.[/QUOTE] ya but like if you can't make trickle down economics, oops... supply side economics, work in freedomland USA then where can it work?

so when does the money start trickling down instead of being hoarded in off-shore bank accounts

[QUOTE=Thom12255;52328812]Republicans will just say the conditions where not right for true supply-side economics to take place and that if they only try it again it will work.[/QUOTE] My conservative friend say it's because it didn't run long enough to see the benefits

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;52329074]My conservative friend say it's because it didn't run long enough to see the benefits[/QUOTE] must be very inconvenient that progressive economic policies tend to see consistent turnarounds within two-four years instead of "indefinitely" like conservative economics.

We still aren't sure that the schools will be open next semester though. KS is a difficult place to live for sure. The Republicans have made prospects look pretty bleak for the next decade with this faux-experiment (they knew the outcome from the start).

[QUOTE=1239the;52329341]must be very inconvenient that progressive economic policies tend to see consistent turnarounds within two-four years instead of "indefinitely" like conservative economics.[/QUOTE] Their counterargument would be progressive economic policies aren't sustainable

The only people voting for these awful state reps are the damn rural farmers who think they'll be protected only to get royally fucked every moment of their short remaining lives. And they all do the same song and dance old people do where they think "EH WHY NOT PICK WHAT IM USED TO" and so everyone I know is getting railed financially. My sister switched her major because Sen. Brownback nearly shut down schooling for a year because he didn't wanna stop undercutting our public education. [editline]8th June 2017[/editline] And the young people are all so damn complacent that they don't gather together and change it, and instead follow the "fuck Kansas time to move once I'm graduated" mentality.

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;52329514]We still aren't sure that the schools will be open next semester though. KS is a difficult place to live for sure. The Republicans have made prospects look pretty bleak for the next decade with this faux-experiment (they knew the outcome from the start).[/QUOTE] The part of me that likes to give benefit of a doubt wonders if they did it knowing the outcome in order to say "There, see? It doesn't fucking work, now stop pushing it".

Unfortunately the GOP is the party of "Push things that don't work"

[QUOTE=Levithan;52331451]Unfortunately the GOP is the party of "Push things that don't work"[/QUOTE] I think Ed Wuncler Sr from The Boondocks explained it the best "This is America, we don't stop doing something because it's wrong. We keep doing it until it becomes the right thing"

[QUOTE=Thom12255;52328812]Republicans will just say the conditions where not right for true supply-side economics to take place and that if they only try it again it will work. Much like how people argue for communism after the USSR.[/QUOTE] It's almost like neither anarcho-communism nor anarcho-capitalism work, and that a reasonably balanced mixed economy that allows the state to handle some industries while private industry handles others is the ideal solution that has worked [I]time and fucking time again[/I] in multiple states across the globe. Either go a bit left and be a SocDem or a bit right and be a more traditional liberal, either work, but Republican far-right ideological fetishism is as far-reaching and unworkable as Soviet ideological fetishism.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52331430]The part of me that likes to give benefit of a doubt wonders if they did it knowing the outcome in order to say "There, see? It doesn't fucking work, now stop pushing it".[/QUOTE] The issue he mentioned with the public schools is jusr now reaching the boiling point but they've been intentionally illegally undercutting the funding for education for over a decade

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;52329514]We still aren't sure that the schools will be open next semester though. KS is a difficult place to live for sure. The Republicans have made prospects look pretty bleak for the next decade with this faux-experiment (they knew the outcome from the start).[/QUOTE] Local schools around me are sure to open, but holy fuck so many cuts and it's gonna be fundraiser after fundraiser at the schools to get by. The're trying to raise money through the summer for the semester with cheap summer activities.

[QUOTE=Psycho9182;52333824]Local schools around me are sure to open, but holy fuck so many cuts and it's gonna be fundraiser after fundraiser at the schools to get by. The're trying to raise money through the summer for the semester with cheap summer activities.[/QUOTE] It's just frustrating that due to the re-election of the same dimwit that our state is thrown into some bullshit level turmoil. Nothing has been more depressing then seeing a loved one give up on her original careee path because some fuckwit decided education means jack all.