Corbyn: Falkland residents should not have a veto over deals with Argentina - Polidicks

[QUOTE]the UK should reach a "reasonable accommodation" with Argentina over the Falklands. Those who live there should have a say, not a veto, over what happens, he adds[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-35337170"]BBC Source[/URL] [QUOTE]The Labour leader signalled he would not back a veto for the islanders over Argentine demands for Britain to give up British sovereignty over the South Atlantic outpost. ... Mr Corbyn said today: “There has to be a discussion about how we can bring about some reasonable accommodation with Argentina. ... “It seems to me ridiculous that in the 21st Century we could get into some enormous conflict with Argentina about the islands just off it. “Yes, of course the islanders have an enormous say in this; let's bring about some sensible dialogue. “It happened before I'm sure it could happen again.” The islanders confirmed their desire to remain a UK overseas territory in a 2013 referendum. Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day poll - on a turnout of more than 90% - 1,513 were in favour, with just three against. But Mr Corbyn told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: “They've got the right to stay where they are, they have got a right to decide on their own future and that will be part of it. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-says-britain-should-7193638"]Mirror Source[/URL] (I'm sorry) Are we so against risking a conflict with Argentina that we would throw 1500+ of our own people under the bus to avoid it now?

Jeremy Corbyn has said some unrealistic, and slightly stupid, things that I've seen the media report. In the BBC Source its reported he says UK could keep the Trident but without nuclear warheads. Which doesn't make sense. Why would you keep a deterrent system without said deterrent. It'd just be a giant waste of money, labor, and time. And has suggested NATO is some US power grab. When said East European nations don't view it that way. [url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/lithuania-is-safer-with-nato-mr-corbyn]Lithuania letter to Mr. Corbyn[/url]. Hes just very anti-war that he doesn't seem to understand realpolitik.

Yeah, no, fuck off Corbyn. They live there, that gives them far more right to decide what happens to them than you.

I'm just glad that corbyn has pretty much made labour unelectable

Corbyn can eat a giant bag of dicks. The Falklands are ours by political, military and ethical rights. If he wants to roll over for the Argentinians instead of looking out for our people, then he can piss off.

[QUOTE=Kigen;49550389]Jeremy Corbyn has said some unrealistic, and slightly stupid, things that I've seen the media report. In the BBC Source its reported he says UK could keep the Trident but without nuclear warheads. Which doesn't make sense. Why would you keep a deterrent system without said deterrent. It'd just be a giant waste of money, labor, and time. And has suggested NATO is some US power grab. When said East European nations don't view it that way. [url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/lithuania-is-safer-with-nato-mr-corbyn]Lithuania letter to Mr. Corbyn[/url]. Hes just very anti-war that he doesn't seem to understand realpolitik.[/QUOTE] Calling him anti-war would be being a bit too nice to him and the rest of his 'anti-war' friends. The reality is that they are completely fine with all kinds of imperialism and war as long as it doesn't involve the west. He thinks that the death of Osama bin Laden is a 'tragedy' but can't bring himself to condemn the Russian annexation of Crimea. He's actually completely fine with war in general as long as either the west isn't involved or the acts are attacking it because he can't get over the fact that we won the Cold War.

i don't really see why we should accommodate argentina when argentina basically invaded and tried to annex a part of britain with the casus belli of "we used to have a small colony there like 200 years ago". i mean what can you do? the islands are british, the people there don't want to leave, and argentina has no right to them.

[quote=article]“It seems to me ridiculous that in the 21st Century we could get into some enormous conflict with Argentina about the islands just off it."[/quote] :v: I think Corbyn thinks that Argentina has some ability to attack us, but they really don't, we have a good garrison already with Typhoon aircraft to protect the skies. The people decided they want to stay British and good people died to keep them British so really, don't go there, giving Argentina what they want is just stupid.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;49550422]Yeah, no, fuck off Corbyn. They live there, that gives them far more right to decide what happens to them than you.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lium;49550458]Corbyn can eat a giant bag of dicks. The Falklands are ours by political, military and ethical rights. If he wants to roll over for the Argentinians instead of looking out for our people, then he can piss off.[/QUOTE] Good job. [quote]Those who live there should have a say, not a veto, over what happens, he adds[/quote]

They have had a say though? What's the point in continually asking them?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49550506]Good job.[/QUOTE] If they have 'a say' but not a veto, it implies that decisions concerning the Falklands could be made against the residents' wishes.

Argentina would never attack The Falklands these days anyway, they just enjoy the act of sabre rattling at Perfidious Albion too much.

[QUOTE=CatFodder;49550548]If they have 'a say' but not a veto, it implies that decisions concerning the Falklands could be made against the residents' wishes.[/QUOTE] [quote] “They've got the right to stay where they are, they have got a right to decide on their own future and that will be part of it.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Killuah;49550571]words[/QUOTE] But he doesn't actually believe that. He's just paying lip service to it. If Argentina sent ships over to invade with no agreement with the islanders, he wouldn't lift a finger, as he wouldn't have done the first time round.

I'm not really sure what you could even do with the Falklands. There's either keeping them as part of Britain, or ceding them to Argentina. There really any any other options you could honestly take.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49550545]They have had a say though? What's the point in continually asking them?[/QUOTE] Mr Corbyn didn't like their answer the first time around, so he's gonna keep asking until they get it right.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49550571][quote]“They've got the right to stay where they are, they have got a right to decide on their own future and that will be [b]part of it.[/b][/quote][/QUOTE] That's still saying that their say isn't final when it should be the [i]only[/i] say that matters.

[QUOTE=Killuah;49550571] snip [/QUOTE] How is not being able to veto any right of theirs? As if there were a situation where there were a majority who wanted to stay with Britain but still had to cede their sovereignty?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49550571]“They've got the right to stay where they are, they have got a right to decide on their own future and that will be part of it. [/QUOTE] What I got from that is we will leave them on the island at the mercy of the the Argentines or they can move to the UK if they want to. Which is absurd, we are a super power and while yes we should avoid war when possible, if someone attacks a part of the UK or its citizens we should 100% use our military.

He seemed a lot more respectable and competent around the time he was elected, but now he just seems to be a bit... crazed and dull.

I don't know why a lot of the left has this idea that rolling over is avoiding conflict. If you show a strong stance on things, it makes you a great leader and often helps the world to be a safer place. We are showing moral courage by allowing the residents of the Falklands a veto. Imagine this situation on a personal level. Someone breaks into your home, assaults you, and when you phone the police they say "well maybe the burglar does have a right to be there".

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49550673]He seemed a lot more respectable and competent around the time he was elected, but now he just seems to be a bit... crazed and dull.[/QUOTE] I think people were just too blinded with anger at the establishment and willfully ignored all of the things that this man has said in the past. In addition, those opposing him simply did it on lines of electability rather than outright saying that what he says is politically and morally wrong. All of what he is saying is completely expected to people like me who have always disliked him. Although there is a lot wrong with the Labour establishment (and the establishment in general) that doesn't mean anything is better.

Anyone who wants this man to run the country is as much of a nutjob as he is

[quote]Yes, of course the islanders have an enormous say in this[/quote] Wrong. They have [i]all[/i] the say.

[QUOTE=Ricool06;49550693]I don't know why a lot of the left has this idea that rolling over is avoiding conflict. If you show a strong stance on things, it makes you a great leader and often helps the world to be a safer place. We are showing moral courage by allowing the residents of the Falklands a veto. Imagine this situation on a personal level. Someone breaks into your home, assaults you, and when you phone the police they say "well maybe the burglar does have a right to be there".[/QUOTE] I think it's imperial guilt. I don't think it's based on any rationality. I remember watching a video of David Mitchel discussing it with someone that was pro Argentinian Falklands and they flip flopped on the reason why so many times. Saying things like "We should leave our imperialist capitalist ideals behind us" and then the next point being "it would make sense from a economic standpoint to appease Argentina". All the while completely ignoring the wishes of the people that bloody live there.

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;49551277]Wrong. They have [i]all[/i] the say.[/QUOTE] Not quite. They're still a British Overseas Territory, which they voted to stay as in the referendum, and are therefore at least partially reliant on UK government. As such, the UK government has quite a lot of say what happens to islands, particularly with regard to defense and foreign affairs. The only way to have all the say would be to become completely autonomous.

[QUOTE=Wiggles;49551407]Not quite. They're still a British Overseas Territory, which they voted to stay as in the referendum, and are therefore at least partially reliant on UK government. As such, the UK government has quite a lot of say what happens to islands, particularly with regard to defense and foreign affairs. The only way to have all the say would be to become completely autonomous.[/QUOTE] Practically, they do have all the say. Or would the UK just abandon a territory in which 99,99% consider themselves part of the UK?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49550506]Good job.[/QUOTE] I know you're not very bright, so I'll say it as simply as I can: The issue has been decided in every way that matters. We gave lives to defend the Falklands. Their residents have chosen time and time again to stay with us, with overwhelming and undeniable support. No one sane supports Argentina in their mad quest to seem relevant and important. That Corbyn would even consider handing them over to Argentina against both the Mainland and the Falklanders themselves wishes is absurd beyond compare. We own those islands. We will continue to own them unless a day should come that the people who live there decide otherwise. No one else should have a say.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;49550582]But he doesn't actually believe that. He's just paying lip service to it. If Argentina sent ships over to invade with no agreement with the islanders, he wouldn't lift a finger, as he wouldn't have done the first time round.[/QUOTE] Ok but that's not what thearticle the guys didn't even read is about.

So basically, Corbyn has admitted that he puts his own ideals before the wishes of the people he serves. In other words: "fuck democracy". I honestly never thought I would find myself in a position where I would miss Ed Miliband, but Corbyn is just so terrible that I seriously do wish he was in charge again.