[quote]By Tom Phillips Published Friday, 16 November 2012
Held for 70 days behind bars in a Greek cell, ArmA 3 developers Ivan Buchta and Martin Pezlar have now been denied an appeal against their charges of espionage.
The two men have been refused bail and now must be tried in front of a Greek court, Czech news site Rozhlas reports (thanks, Eurogamer.cz). The duo have been made to wait weeks longer than normal to hear their appeal verdict due to a strike affecting the Greek legal system.
Buchta and Pezlar are accused of spying on Greek military installations. They face up to 20 years in jail.
The military shooter ArmA 3 is set on the island where the pair were arrested. Developer Bohemia Interactive has claimed the pair were simply in the country on holiday.
The pair have previously spoken from captivity and said conditions left a lot to be desired. Matters have not improved.
“They're in a cell with over 25 people, they sleep on the ground," Miloslav Buchta, father of Ivan, said. "They have food twice a day."
“Our boys no longer tell us on the phone that it's alright, that they're handling it," one of their mothers' said. "After the court's decision we only hear from them something that no parent ever wants to hear: Mom, dad, please save us."
The families of the men are now escalating the matter to the Czech president and prime minister after claiming their country's foreign Ministry has not done enough to help.
“We cannot agree with the statement [that we're not doing enough]," a foreign ministry spokesman said. "We are very intensely working on this matter from all possible angles.”
An ongoing fan campaign has called for the pair's release.[/quote]
[url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-16-after-70-days-awaiting-trial-jailed-arma-3-devs-refused-bail[/url]
The Byzantines never did this shit.
What the fuck, Greece.
This is complete bullshit.
This is the same bullcrap that is going on about the racism on the ground in Greece.
At least Brtions know how to act (not counting the BNP)
They are really a crappy addition to the EU.
I took photos of PLA barracks
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1qSTO.jpg[/IMG]
come at me China
[quote]“They're in a cell with over 25 people, they sleep on the ground," Miloslav Buchta, father of Ivan, said. "They have food twice a day."[/quote]
So they're being treated like they're dogs. Great.
You'd think this would have been cleared up pretty quickly once it was revealed that they were developers of a popular war sim.
Nice job, Greece, nice fucking job.
Why doesn't the EU just sack their ass.
This Greek apparently tried to "warn" BI.
[quote]"On the island of Limnos is a military air base," Cyplon wrote. "It is illegal to take photographs of this base, yet the ArmA development team are creating a 3D model of the base, most likely based on photos which they took illegally (as well as the satellite photos which aren't illegal).
"Had this been an American base, or any other country with a large population of whom may purchase ArmA 3, it is likely that such an act would not have been performed due to the risk of the country banning the game from being sold there. Hence, I find it disrespectful to do so. At the very least, the ArmA team should modify the base so that it is not an accurate representation of the existing base.
"All this time the ArmA series has been based on fictional locations, but now have chosen to create a game on a real location. Of all locations in the World, Limnos - one of the only islands in the Aegean with a military air base, is being replicated, regardless of the tensions between Greece and Turkey which are ongoing (you don't hear it on the news unless you are from Greece or Turkey). Great choice for a first location!
"This is equivalent to creating an ArmA game replicating the Gaza strip, which would very likely anger Israel. I'm sure some of you may argue that if it were this easy for the developers to obtain such details of the base then it would be of no difficulty for Turkey. True, I doubt that the base has anything top secret anyway. However, you aren't just providing a 3D model, but also a matured military simulator from which Turkey may practice infiltrations of the base. It is like the development team modelling the inside of your house. I'm sure you would feel threatened if this were to happen to you. Indeed, on the bright side the Greek military can practice defensive tactics, but that can be done in real life anyway."
Cyplon went on to protest at the use of American troops carrying US flags on the virtual recreation of the Greek island and not Greek troops as "disrespectful".
"It suggests that they would not be able to defend their own country, which if history has taught us anything, they are very well capable of doing regardless of economic troubles," [/quote]
[url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-11-arma-dev-confirms-staff-arrested-accused-of-spying-by-greek-authorities]Source[/url]
He kinda has a point but they're over-reacting I think.
But Greece needs money.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;38478351]You'd think this would have been cleared up pretty quickly once it was revealed that they were developers of a popular war sim.[/QUOTE]
You'd think there wouldn't be this problem in the first place considering they were in a supposedly civilized nation.
[QUOTE=jonjon1234;38478258]This is the same bullcrap that is going on about the racism on the ground in Greece.
At least Brtions know how to act (not counting the BNP)[/QUOTE]
Really? All we do is bitch and moan about racists until they disappear.
[quote]Had this been an American base, or any other country with a large population of whom may purchase ArmA 3, it is likely that such an act would not have been performed due to the risk of the country banning the game from being sold there.[/quote]
What a load of bollocks
What a bunch of cunts.
Good luck mates!
This doesn't help Greece with their already shitty public image at all.
Fuck you, Greece
Do they really think these guys were spying on them? What the fuck does Greece have that is even worth spying militarily?
Oh right, probably their 4th Reich army they're amassing, you know once the Golden Dawn take over.
I was looking forward to ArmA III, I guess it's gonna take a while.
[QUOTE=Tudd;38478483]Do they really think these guys were spying on them? What the fuck does Greece have that is even worth spying militarily?
Oh right, probably their 4th Reich army they're amassing, you know once the Golden Dawn take over.[/QUOTE]
They seem to be really fucking paranoid about the Turks.
[QUOTE=TheDeadBread;38478357]This Greek apparently tried to "warn" BI.
[URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-11-arma-dev-confirms-staff-arrested-accused-of-spying-by-greek-authorities"]Source[/URL]
He kinda has a point but they're over-reacting I think.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure BI confirmed at some point they wern't modeling the base at all.
[I]they weren't even doing anything wrong.[/I]
I live near fort bragg, you know, the biggest base on the east coast, and I can go on base, and take pictures of, well, anything. Vehicles, airstrips, houses, anything, and they wont give a single solitary fuck.
Could've at least confiscated their equipment and thrown them on the next flight out of there but hey let's throw them in jail and treat them like a bunch of animals
[QUOTE=MightyMax;38478558][I]they weren't even doing anything wrong.[/I]
I live near fort bragg, you know, the biggest base on the east coast, and I can go on base, and take pictures of, well, anything. Vehicles, airstrips, houses, anything, and they wont give a single solitary fuck.[/QUOTE]
really?
JSOC won't give a shit?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;38478566]Apparently there were signs that said 'MILITARY BASE. NO PHOTOGRAPHS ALLOWED' literally every couple of meters on the island yet they still took 32GB worth of photos, according to some Greek anon on /v/.
There are also patrols that actively seek out those with cameras and whatever, so even if the Greek government are being overly uptight, it was kind of stupid of the Devs to ignore the never ending NO PHOTOS ALLOWED signs, probably thinking "its greece lol who cares".[/QUOTE]
32gb of photos that apparently only included the base in the corner of them. They are basically saying if you take some holiday photos and you happen to have capture a small part of a military base you are clearly some sort of spy and need to be locked up for 20 years.
[video=lA0-yFIgOA4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA0-yFIgOA4[/video]
Turn on CC for English subs.
They should have at least contacted the military before hand and asked permission.
[QUOTE=Gprimeisback;38478714]They should have at least contacted the military before hand and asked permission.[/QUOTE]
right because you contact the military when you take tourist pictures because that tiny aerial in the distance might be a fucking military radio tower.
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