Turkey can lay claim to Crimea under Ottoman Empire treaty w/ Catherine The Great - Polidicks

[quote]The Turkish newspaper Hürriyet reports that if the Autonomous Republic of Crimea announces its independence, then it falls under Turkish rule. This is being reported by ipress.ua with reference to Espresso TV. Based on what the author of the article wrote, this is confirmed by the agreement which was signed 230 years ago by the Ottoman and Russian empires. According to the agreement, signed by the the Russian empress Catherine the Great on April 19, 1783, the Crimean peninsula will pass from the Ottoman empire to the Russian empire. “However, one of the most important points is the clause that stipulates conditions that if the peninsula does not declare its independence then it cannot be transferred to a third party. Otherwise, Crimea must automatically be returned under the aegis of Turkey,” claims the author. He notes that in 1991, after the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of an independent Ukraine, Turkey has already had the formal right to reclaim Crimea. “However, the Turkish government, then led by Turgut Ozal, given the geopolitical changes in northern Turkey and changes in the general world economic situation, did not defend that position. Turkey limited itself to demanding that the rights of Crimean Tatars, living as a minority in Crimea, be restored,” the author quotes from the publication of the Crimean Tatar agency QHA. But if you want to join Crimea to Russia, it is necessary for it to first officially declare independence from Kyiv. “And in that moment, if all norms of international governance are followed, Turkey can announce: “I’m taking control of Crimea,” the author concluded.[/quote] [url]http://maidantranslations.com/2014/03/17/turkey-under-ottoman-empire-treaty-with-catherine-the-great-if-crimea-declares-independence-it-returns-to-turkey/[/url]

97.3% of Crimea votes to join Turkey too!

It's like Crusader Kings 2 IRL.

[QUOTE=Hole;44281043]97.3% of Crimea votes to join Turkey too![/QUOTE] [I]That's, like.. 181.7% of Crimea.[/I] This is starting to sound like a Russian election poll.

Just in, Greece is pushing its claim for [del]Istanbul[/del] Constantinople, and declared the Byzantine Empire restored!

I can't see Turkey challenging Russia on serious grounds over this, but I don't think Putin was expecting that. :v:

Uh guys. Crimean war. You lost all claims to it.

Putin probably has wet dreams about retaking Constantinople anyway, I don't see how this declaration would give him any cause for concern.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44281104]Putin probably has wet dreams about retaking Constantinople anyway, I don't see how this declaration would give him any cause for concern.[/QUOTE] "Re"-taking?

Plot twist.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44281118]"Re"-taking?[/QUOTE] Retaking the throne of proper eastern orthodoxy.

[QUOTE=EqueL;44281068]It's like Crusader Kings 2 IRL.[/QUOTE] "Turkey has threatened Russia!" "Tales of your misdeeds are told from Ireland to Cathay!"

That treaty was signed with the Russian empire, not with the russian federation. It's the same way the Zeon got nukes because the alaska treaty was signed with the republic of zeon, not the principality of zeon

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44281124]Retaking the throne of proper eastern orthodoxy.[/QUOTE] Oh I guess.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44281102]I can't see Turkey challenging Russia on serious grounds over this, but I don't think Putin was expecting that. :v:[/QUOTE] If Turkey invokes the treaty, NATO is officially involved in this clusterfuck. In theory.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44281118]"Re"-taking?[/QUOTE] The Russians have historically seen themselves as the Third Rome.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44281146]The Russians have historically seen themselves as the Third Rome.[/QUOTE] Geez they're something alright

This just in thousands of Janissaries have arrived in the Crimea, they are not wearing any military insignia. Turkey insists they are a Crimean self defence force, depsite being armed with muskets and cannon of obvious Ottoman design.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44281146]The Russians have historically seen themselves as the Third Rome.[/QUOTE] Well technically Turkey is the true succesor, since they usurped the throne. If you want to get even more pedantic, Byzantium lost its claim to the Imperial throne when Irene of Athens became empress.

Oh of course Tzar is an evolution of Caesar's Latin pronunciation.

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[QUOTE=Dr.C;44281133]That treaty was signed with the Russian empire, not with the russian federation. It's the same way the Zeon got nukes because the alaska treaty was signed with the republic of zeon, not the principality of zeon[/QUOTE] Yes old treaties from empires long vanished are bullshit.

[QUOTE=Killuah;44281177]Yes old treaties from empires long vanished are bullshit.[/QUOTE] Quite you, you'll make us lose our claims to Danzig, Königsberg, Elsaß-Lothringen, the Sudetenland and Eastern Prussia!

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;44281103]Uh guys. Crimean war. You lost all claims to it.[/QUOTE] Didn't Russia lose the Crimean War? If anything, that bolsters the Turkish claims on the Crimea in my eyes. Now they just need to take back Greece and they'll be sitting pretty. [QUOTE=Scar;44281161]Well technically Turkey is the true succesor, since they usurped the throne. If you want to get even more pedantic, Byzantium lost its claim to the Imperial throne when Irene of Athens became empress.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but there was a trail of thought in the Russian Empire for a while that they could retake Constantinople and thus refound an Orthodox Empire. Thus, the Crimean War, which was fought by Russia to protect the rights of Orthodox Christians in the Holy Lands (or so they said)

You know what let's restore the Holy Roman Empire I mean Germany can handle it can't it

[QUOTE=proch;44281235]You know what let's restore the Holy Roman Empire [B]I mean Germany can handle it can't it[/B][/QUOTE] Fourth time's the charm, eh?

[QUOTE=proch;44281235]You know what let's restore the Holy Roman Empire I mean Germany can handle it can't it[/QUOTE] They tried a few decades ago, it didn't work so well

[QUOTE=Scar;44281161]Well technically Turkey is the true succesor, since they usurped the throne. [B]If you want to get even more pedantic, Byzantium lost its claim to the Imperial throne when Irene of Athens became empress.[/B][/QUOTE] The Byzantines got so butthurt when the Frankish emissaries pointed that out.

Obviously Crimea should pass back to its past Mongolian masters in the Golden Horde.

[QUOTE=proch;44281235]You know what let's restore the Holy Roman Empire I mean Germany can handle it can't it[/QUOTE] Let's just pick a random date in history and restore all borders to that date. I pick 1279, Mongolia will dominate all.