[QUOTE]Washington (CNN) -- Had it not been for Rosa Parks and others of her era, President Barack Obama said he wouldn't be unveiling a bronze statue of the civil rights icon in the U.S. Capitol.
"We can do no greater honor ... than to carry forward her principle of courage born of conviction," Obama said at a ceremony on Wednesday.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/27/politics/rosa-parks-statue/index.html[/url]
She deserves the recognition.
Robert Freeman is going to be pissed.
I live in DC, I'll make sure to visit it some time.
just another part of osama's plan to turn this nation black
Oh, how this nation has changed for the better. Hard to believe this stuff happened not long ago.
Fuckin liberals why are you honoring the black people slavery was good for them raaargh raaaaargh
[sp]oh god what did I do[/sp]
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;39790143]just another part of osama's plan to turn this nation black[/QUOTE]
You mean Obama?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39790248]You mean Obama?[/QUOTE]
Obama's middle name is hussein
And a block away, Justice Scalia is spouting off about how we need to throw out the entire Voting Rights Act.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;39790248]You mean Obama?[/QUOTE]
Barracks Saddam Hussein Obongo.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;39791004]Barracks Saddam Hussein Obongo.[/QUOTE]
Born in Honolulu, Kenya
[QUOTE=Naaz;39790229]Fuckin liberals why are you honoring the black people slavery was good for them raaargh raaaaargh
[sp]oh god what did I do[/sp][/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure there was someone who actually said that once, it was either a congressman or a pastor, I forget. I remember someone once said that slavery was good because the slaves got free food, free housing, and a tiny paycheck. I think he was comparing it to inner-city life, but still.
i think a better way to honor rosa parks would be to continue the fight the racial struggles in the usa but to each their own i guess.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39791349]i think a better way to honor rosa parks would be to continue the fight the racial struggles in the usa but to each their own i guess.[/QUOTE]
i would love more asian nfl players
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39791349]i think a better way to honor rosa parks would be to continue the fight the racial struggles in the usa but to each their own i guess.[/QUOTE]
but then how will capital divide the working class??
[QUOTE=Lazor;39791446]but then how will capital divide the working class??[/QUOTE]
Well we'd still have sexism
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39791349]i think a better way to honor rosa parks would be to continue the fight the racial struggles in the usa but to each their own i guess.[/QUOTE]
I haven't noticed any racial struggles at all to be honest. There is the odd bit of splattered racist person here and there but they are looked down on by society. Of course if you're white you're more likely to get a better job in some areas except there isn't much that can be done about that.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;39792195]I haven't noticed any racial struggles at all to be honest. There is the odd bit of splattered racist person here and there but they are looked down on by society. Of course if you're white you're more likely to get a better job in some areas except there isn't much that can be done about that.[/QUOTE]
if you haven't noticed the ongoing racial struggle in america, i assert that you haven't been paying attention.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;39792290]if you haven't noticed the ongoing racial struggle in america, i assert that you haven't been paying attention.[/QUOTE]
What are some examples then.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;39792551]What are some examples then.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=racism+in+united+states"]Please don't bog this thread down with a redundant 'burden of truth' based argument when a simple Google search will answer that question.[/URL]
[URL="http://thenevadaview.com/4212/whiteness-of-whiteness-resists-the-voting-rights-act/"]Here is one of many examples.[/URL]
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;39792575][URL="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=racism+in+united+states"]Please don't bog this thread down with a redundant 'burden of truth' based argument when a simple Google search will answer that question.[/URL][/QUOTE]
I see nothing of a struggle of minorities in this. I myself living where the whole Rodney King stuff happened and not to mention segregation, Chinese beatdowns, Mexican immigration paranoia and Japanese deportations and a whole bunch of other stuff happened am pretty content of how things have changed. I may not be able to be on an equal stand with a white person quite yet but it's pretty close now. It's good enough now where the only thing I'm not equal with is being able to get a job with the same amount of chance if I were white or at least be able to pass my self off as white but even this sort of racism is dying out. I am not struggling with racism in any way and nor do I see it being practiced on me or anyone else I know to where it is a problem and when I do see it, it is rare and whoever is being racist is usually cast out of society.
The example you gave shows how things have changed for the better. There is no way his arguement will be taken seriously but in the past it would have been. It's not like if I go into a white part of town I'll suddenly get lynched anymore.
I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH. In an odd recent development racism has developed to levels with African and Latinos street gangs don't usually kill other street gangs anymore but instead now attack the opposite race ever since Latino gangs drove black ones out of areas previously under African control *Compton as an example* and has been the reason for many of the gang related shoot-outs of the past decade it seems.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;39792575][QUOTE=galenmarek;39792599]I see nothing of a struggle of minorities in this. I myself living where the whole Rodney King stuff happened and not to mention segregation, Chinese beatdowns, Mexican immigration paranoia and Japanese deportations and a whole bunch of other stuff happened am pretty content of how things have changed. I may not be able to be on an equal stand with a white person quite yet but it's pretty close now. It's good enough now where the only thing I'm not equal with is being able to get a job with the same amount of chance if I were white or at least be able to pass my self off as white but even this sort of racism is dying out. I am not struggling with racism in any way and nor do I see it being practiced on me or anyone else I know to where it is a problem and when I do see it, it is rare and whoever is being racist is usually cast out of society.
The example you gave shows how things have changed for the better. There is no way his arguement will be taken seriously but in the past it would have been. It's not like if I go into a white part of town I'll suddenly get lynched anymore.
I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH. In an odd recent development racism has developed to levels with African and Latinos street gangs don't usually kill other street gangs anymore but instead now attack the opposite race ever since Latino gangs drove black ones out of areas previously under African control *Compton as an example* and has been the reason for many of the gang related shoot-outs of the past decade it seems.[/QUOTE]
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[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/26/obama-rosa-parks-statue-voting-rights-act-douglas-brinkley/1949273/"]If you'd bothered to check the google results and not just the example I linked[/URL]
[URL="http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/victims-of-racial-discrimination-by-national-mortgage-lender-could-get-thousands-in-payout"][/url]
[URL="http://www.salon.com/2013/02/27/supreme_court_racism_deniers/"]You might have found several[/URL]
[URL="http://www.salon.com/2013/03/01/how_racism_and_sexism_are_net_drains_on_the_u_s_economy_partner/"]examples to [/URL]
[URL="http://dailyorange.com/2013/03/term-diversity-masks-core-issues-of-racism-university-must-become-anti-racist/"]investigate rather than[/URL]
[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/02/naacp-emancipation-proclamation-march-on-washington/1805197/"]expecting the people responding [/URL]
[URL="http://www.tukwilareporter.com/news/194254951.html"]to this news article to[/URL]
[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/02/27/racial-wealth-gap-growing/1948899/"]play librarian for you[/URL]
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;39792636][URL="http://www.thenation.com/blog/173166/football-stadium-becomes-ground-zero-fight-against-new-jim-crow"]If you'd bothered to check the google results and not just the example I linked[/URL][/QUOTE]
What does a prison renaming a stadium have to do with racism? Unless you believe the name "Owlcatraz" is racist somehow. They also claim the "war on drugs" is racist as well. Wow, they think everything is racist. How in any way is the three-strikes law racist? This was a completely irrelevant article.
Your sources are still shifty and looks liked you just picked anything with the keywords in it with some of them nit-picking details. One goes so far as to complain about when police describe a suspect as "black". Another one even agrees with my points.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;39792657]What does a prison renaming a stadium have to do with racism? Unless you believe the name "Owlcatraz" is racist somehow. They also claim the "war on drugs" is racist as well. Wow, they think everything is racist. How in any way is the three-strikes law racist? This was a completely irrelevant article.[/QUOTE]Well, as I recall reading drug usage is virtually equal amongst all races. However, the incarceration rates of African Americans for drug related crimes is much higher than any other race, followed by Hispanics. In fact, the incarceration rates for virtually all crimes is quite disproportionately higher for African Americans than is is for every other race. The issue of institutionalized racism and discrimination is a pervasive and well documented issue that impacts almost every facet of society in the U.S.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;39792730]Well, as I recall reading drug usage is virtually equal amongst all races. However, the incarceration rates of African Americans for drug related crimes is much higher than any other race, followed by Hispanics. In fact, the incarceration rates for virtually all crimes is quite disproportionately higher for African Americans than is is for every other race. The issue of institutionalized racism and discrimination is a pervasive and well documented issue that impacts almost every facet of society in the U.S.[/QUOTE]
It is an issue but Hispanic and black ghettos filled with pretty much everyone committing crimes does not help the statistic either with many people being arrested from there. It's still thankfully a far cry from discrimination and racism from several decades ago and as not a big a problem as it could be.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;39792757]It is an issue but Hispanic and black ghettos filled with pretty much everyone committing crimes does not help the statistic either with many people being arrested from there. It's still thankfully a far cry from discrimination and racism from several decades ago and as not a big a problem as it could be.[/QUOTE]
And perhaps the increased arrests are due to the crimes being committed because of a massive economic disparity that somehow always seems to coincide where people of color congregate. That alongside disproportionately 'active and alert' police patrolling in 'ethnic' areas.
Do you think it might be a sign that a group of people is being arbitrarily and collectively disadvantaged by society when a large population of them is a harbinger of economic turmoil?
That is, unless you are going to argue that the disparity is due to them somehow being actually inferior in some way due to race.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;39792775]And the crimes are committed because of a massive economic disparity that somehow always seems to coincide where people of color congregate.
Do you think it might be a sign that a group of people are being disadvantaged by society when a large area of them is a harbinger of economic turmoil?[/QUOTE]
Many of the people are born into the area and know nothing else. Also, What I'm trying to get at is that there is no need for another Rosa Parks because there is nothing nearly half as bad as what happened several decades ago. No longer are racist laws, legal beatings, lynchings, segregation, exclusion, and simply just never being able to achieve what a white person can if you were born black, Latino, Asian or anything else. In today's version of America I can do anything a white person can without being looked down upon.
The problem with the ghettos is NOT a racist one but one where simply no one cares about doing anything else. No one here cares that they can better a lot of the time. They just want to continue what they do. Most people around here have the extremely stupid mindset of "I'm going to die someday anyway so I'm going to do what I want my entire life because I'm only going to live once so I'll die doing what I like."
Since I can only speak for some of Southern California in this case I'll just try to explain it someway. A lot of the crime is generational and a bitter reminder of the past where some people believed that someone who wasn't white didn't any hope of getting anywhere in life no matter how hard they could try and then turned to crime. Their children grow up around this lifestyle and eventually become criminals themselves. Fast forward a couple generations of this and you have today where people really couldn't care less and most of them raise children around this sort of lifestyle and sometimes even encouraging them to join in it. When you have something like this happen it's no wonder why there is a higher rate of blacks and Latinos commiting crimes. They were born into it with many cases in their eyes there being no other choice while sometimes believing if you were white then you had a choice of where you'll end up but since they're not, they wont even try.
The only way I've ever seen ANYONE get out of this path is from either nearly getting themselves murdered or somehow ending in a near death experience. Or finding religion. I've rarely seen someone just simply say, "I can do better than this. I'm going to go legitimate" and is pretty rare when it does happen.
[QUOTE=galenmarek;39792789]Many of the people are born into the area and know nothing else. Also, What I'm trying to get at is that there is no need for another Rosa Parks because there is nothing nearly half as bad as what happened several decades ago. No longer are racist laws, legal beatings, lynchings, segregation, exclusion, and simply just never being able to achieve what a white person can if you were born black, Latino, Asian or anything else. In today's version of America I can do anything a white person can without being looked down upon.
The problem with the ghettos is NOT a racist one but one where simply no one cares about doing anything else. No one here cares that they can better a lot of the time. They just want to continue what they do. Most people around here have the extremely stupid mindset of "I'm going to die someday anyway so I'm going to do what I want my entire life because I'm only going to live once so I'll die doing what I like."
Since I can only speak for some of Southern California in this case I'll just try to explain it someway. A lot of the crime is generational and a bitter reminder of the past where some people believed that someone who wasn't white didn't any hope of getting anywhere in life no matter how hard they could try and then turned to crime. Their children grow up around this lifestyle and eventually become criminals themselves. Fast forward a couple generations of this and you have today where people really couldn't care less and most of them raise children around this sort of lifestyle and sometimes even encouraging them to join in it. When you have something like this happen it's no wonder why there is a higher rate of blacks and Latinos commiting crimes.
The only way I've ever seen ANYONE get out of this path is from either nearly getting themselves murdered or somehow ending in a near death experience. Or finding religion. I've rarely seen someone just simply say, "I can do better than this. I'm going to go legitimate" and is pretty rare when it does happen.[/QUOTE]
Let's retell that narrative you just gave. Over decades of dealing with a system that does not favor them for effort, a culture of 'surviving the system' was spawned that consumed those who either were legitimately disadvantaged or were merely disenfranchised by society's apparent disparities. Fast forward time a little, as you did in your version, and we have the kids who were raised by those who'd given up on ever having a lasting impact on the world. They feel resigned to their low-pay jobs, since they can't exactly quit and seek other employment or afford to move. They have children, which essentially anchor anybody who isn't financially buoyant in place, regardless of their economic situation or what options might possibly be available. They were born into it with many cases in their eyes there being no other choice while sometimes believing if you were white then you had a choice of where you'll end up but since they're not, they wont even try. Even worse, they never become informed or experienced at navigating the bureaucracy that stands between their children and opportunity. Their children may be completely capable of being the next great whatever, but if their parents can't advise them on how to get the financial help to get the unethically expensive education to get the dubious chance at a high paying career (or one that contributes to more than companies' wallets), that opportunity is squandered.
These children, growing up living with their parents' constant vexations to keep their pantry from going empty become disenfranchised themselves, believing that if their parents failed, that there is no way they can get help or make it out. They resign themselves to either menial jobs to try and make a stable living or turn to crime to try and accomplish what they know they can do, given a payout-to-effort ratio that doesn't discriminate on race.
It may be years down the line from the root cause, but everything you mentioned is based in racial and economic discrimination and the unequal spread of opportunity.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;39792899]Let's retell that narrative you just gave. Over decades of dealing with a system that does not favor them for effort, a culture of 'surviving the system' was spawned that consumed those who either were legitimately disadvantaged or were merely disenfranchised by society's apparent disparities. Fast forward time a little, as you did in your version, and we have the kids who were raised by those who'd given up on ever having a lasting impact on the world. They feel resigned to their low-pay jobs, since they can't exactly quit and seek other employment or afford to move. They have children, which essentially anchor anybody who isn't financially buoyant in place, regardless of their economic situation or what options might possibly be available.
These children, growing up living with their parents' constant vexations to keep their pantry from going empty become disenfranchised themselves, believing that if their parents failed, that there is no way they can get help or make it out. They resign themselves to either menial jobs to try and make a stable living or turn to crime to try and accomplish what they know they can do, given a payout-to-effort ratio that doesn't discriminate on race.
It may be years down the line from the root cause, but everything you mentioned is based in racial and economic discrimination and the unequal spread of opportunity.[/QUOTE]
If you "leave" a gang you just get murdered most of the time and moreso in Latino ones. That's a pretty strong reason not to leave most of the time. Even then when they leave the gang most of them just become passive members. The current generation isn't disenfranchised they just simply don't care with some living off of welfare and loving it for some reason. If you don't believe me on that you should take a trip to the LA jungles and see for yourself how some people brag about being able to use their EBT. Most people could indeed just leave the place and make a decent living and usually do but there's just too many people who stay in the ghetto willingly. Others don't leave sometimes because they dropped out of school and just feel that it'd be a waste of time because they're already making money and don't need education. I've personally seen people happy about dropping out.
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