WikiLeaks cables: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets - Polidicks

[quote] [B]WikiLeaks cables: US agrees to tell Russia Britain's nuclear secrets[/B] [B] The US secretly agreed to give the Russians sensitive information on Britain’s nuclear deterrent to persuade them to sign a key treaty, The Daily Telegraph can disclose. [/B] Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week. Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal. The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the so-called “special relationship”, which is shown often to be a one-sided affair by US diplomatic communications obtained by the [B][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/"]WikiLeaks[/URL][/B] website. Details of the behind-the-scenes talks are contained in more than 1,400 US embassy cables published to date by the Telegraph, including almost 800 sent from the London Embassy, which are [B][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/"]published online today[/URL][/B]. The documents also show that: • America spied on Foreign Office ministers by gathering gossip on their private lives and professional relationships. • Intelligence-sharing arrangements with the US became strained after the controversy over [B][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8305152/THE-BRITISH-ASK-IS-OUR-SPECIAL-RELATIONSHIP-STILL-SPECIAL-IN-WASHINGTON.html"]Binyam Mohamed, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee[/URL][/B] who sued the Government over his alleged torture. • David Miliband [B][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8304856/TURKEY-BABACAN-DISCUSSES-IRAN-IRAQ-WITH-UK-FS-MILIBAND.html"]disowned the Duchess of York by saying she could not “be controlled”[/URL][/B] after she made an undercover TV documentary. • Tens of millions of pounds of overseas aid was stolen and spent on plasma televisions and luxury goods by corrupt regimes. A series of classified messages sent to Washington by US negotiators show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” deal. Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US. Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain. Professor Malcolm Chalmers said: “This appears to be significant because while the UK has announced how many missiles it possesses, there has been no way for the Russians to verify this. Over time, the unique identifiers will provide them with another data point to gauge the size of the British arsenal.” Duncan Lennox, editor of Jane’s Strategic Weapons Systems, said: “They want to find out whether Britain has more missiles than we say we have, and having the unique identifiers might help them.” While the US and Russia have long permitted inspections of each other’s nuclear weapons, Britain has sought to maintain some secrecy to compensate for the relatively small size of its arsenal. William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, last year disclosed that “up to 160” warheads are operational at any one time, but did not confirm the number of missiles.[/quote]Solid proof Americans are retarded. [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8304654/WikiLeaks-cables-US-agrees-to-tell-Russia-Britains-nuclear-secrets.html[/url]

americans? allies? hahah nice joke

win

uh oh lol

Haha France [i]is[/i] our closest ally then.

Take THAT britain

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859440]Haha France [i]is[/i] our closest ally then.[/QUOTE] You beat me.

Those backstabbing bastards :v:

[QUOTE=iusehax;27859328]Solid proof Americans are retarded.[/QUOTE] Who's the retarded one? Britain is the one that gave away it's secrets (to the U.S. in the first place).

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859541]Who's the retarded one?[/QUOTE] that would be you

UK should backlash by giving the same information to join military forces.

Lady United States can suck my fat penis. I'll enjoy it too.

I really hope this thread does not turn into Britain vs American arguments :frown:.

Oh well, it's all out in the open now. It's not like it would've made a difference in a nuclear attack, everyone would be fucked anyway. speaking as a UK resident

What the [b]FUCK[/b] [QUOTE=doonbugie2;27859611]United States can suck my fat penis. I'll enjoy it too.[/QUOTE] As an American, I can promise you I do not condone any of this.

[QUOTE=xeonmuffin;27859585]UK should backlash by giving the same information to join military forces.[/QUOTE] Nah, what we should do is remove the US's missile defense systems based over here. Not that that's likely to happen anyway.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859541]Who's the retarded one? Britain is the one that gave away it's secrets.[/QUOTE] actually if you read the op you'll see that america is the one that gave away britains secrets. :xd:

[QUOTE=Camundongo;27859650]Nah, what we should do is remove the US's missile defense systems based over here. Not that that's likely to happen anyway.[/QUOTE] Yeah because then you'd be twice as fucked.

[QUOTE=Gorm;27859619]I really hope this thread does not turn into Britain vs American arguments :frown:.[/QUOTE] Too late.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859663]Yeah because then you'd be twice as fucked.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, this dude thinks you can quantify "fucked" when you're talking about global nuclear war

Arguments ahoy. Please just stop guys. [QUOTE=Badal;27859703]Too late.[/QUOTE] :frown:

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27859659]actually if you read the op you'll see that america is the one that gave away britains secrets. :xd:[/QUOTE] I meant that they gave their secrets to the U.S.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859663]Yeah because then you'd be twice as fucked.[/QUOTE] Well, everybody looses in nuclear war anyway. Plus, you do realise the systems are designed to stop missiles reaching the US, not the UK? We're too close for system to work in time.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859734]I meant that they gave their secrets to the U.S.[/QUOTE] God damn your the most fucking retarded person I have ever met on a forum outside 'kidzworld'

[QUOTE=Explosions;27859734]I meant that they gave their secrets to the U.S.[/QUOTE] 2 can keep a secret... if one of them is dead :twisted:

Also, how does this affect NATO? Member nations giving each other's classified military information to other nations outside the organisation doesn't particulary seem conductive to co-operation between them...

What the hell...

Does nobody realize, that Britain's nuclear secrets, are our secrets? The first people we gave about the atomic bomb was them. So I doubt this means crap to be honest.

[quote]Although the treaty was not supposed to have any impact on Britain, the leaked cables show that Russia used the talks to demand more information about the UK’s Trident missiles, which are manufactured and maintained in the US. [/quote] So, if the missiles are made and maintained in the US, and the US already agreed to allow Russia to inspect it's missile information, the only thing the US disclosed was a more specific number of how many missiles Britain had, even though Britain already gave a rough number. [quote]Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain.[/quote] If this allowed for the eventual signing of the treaty I would say it was worth it.

And what's the UK gonna do about it? Issue a statement denouncing the US? Move our aircraft carriers and nimrod spy planes into- oh wait Nope, we're gonna maybe moan about it amongst ourselves but ultimately nothing will happen and it'll be forgotten. Such is the way of politics.