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[QUOTE]For the first time ever, the city has decided to unite them together via pedestrian and cycle routes. It’s all part of the “Green Network Plan,” which aims to eliminate the need for vehicles in Hamburg over the next 20 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The city will also construct new green spaces that should help absorb CO2 and regulate the city’s climate (Hamburg’s average temperature has risen about 9ºC in the last 60 years). [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]the plan will make the car – currently the only transportation option to get from one part of the city to another – essentially unnecessary.[/QUOTE]
Full article: [url]http://www.archdaily.com/464394/hamburg-s-plan-to-eliminate-cars-in-20-years/[/url]
Not much of a poster but saw this today. A large city without (most) cars is pretty weird and fascinating.
Sounds pretty damn awesome.
I find articles like these very interesting. Back in the heyday of the automobile, we wanted to run freeways all through our cities, and today, we're trying to tear them down, at least in some places.
I guess that's not exactly what this article about, but it seems we're trying to return to our roots these days.
fuck you I want my hovercars
[QUOTE=elevate;43453923]I find articles like these very interesting. Back in the heyday of the automobile, we wanted to run freeways all through our cities, and today, we're trying to tear them down, at least in some places.[/QUOTE]
its kinda... Funny actually
the automobile was the godsend of travel, it was the sign of taste and status to some/many people. It would allow families to travel wherever they wanted at such an ease that people literally couldn't believe it.
now it shows signs of being outdated tech compared to personal pods / alternative vehicles.
makes you think... what's after that?
Although I'm not sure about the title though, they're not trying to eliminate cars, just make it so that you can walk and bike everywhere.
[quote]...And, importantly, the plan will make the car – currently the only transportation option to get from one part of the city to another – essentially unnecessary. [/quote]
[QUOTE=J!NX;43453925]
makes you think... what's after that?[/QUOTE]
We amputate our legs and replace them with Cheetah legs.
[QUOTE=Sonic Fan;43453957]We amputate our legs and replace them with Cheetah legs.[/QUOTE]
make that robotic cheetah legs... that [B]hover[/B]
It's bad enough glorious standard transmission vehicles will be extinct by the end of the century, don't take the fun of driving any kind of vehicle from the world, too :(
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43453996]It's bad enough glorious standard transmission vehicles will be extinct by the end of the century, don't take the fun of driving any kind of vehicle from the world, too :([/QUOTE]
Nobody is taking away your car. Maybe you'll be driving electric eventually but I doubt your car is gonna go.
[QUOTE=elevate;43453923]I find articles like these very interesting. Back in the heyday of the automobile, we wanted to run freeways all through our cities, and today, we're trying to tear them down, at least in some places.[/QUOTE]Turns out blowing up entire neighborhoods for the sake of highways may have not been one of our best ideas.
In some cities we went from this:
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To this...
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Y01LQtS.jpg[/t]
Parks to parking lots, and homes/businesses removed to make less homes/businesses with loads of new parking to boot because you can never have enough parking, right?
We need Futurama tubes, NOW.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43454011]Nobody is taking away your car. Maybe you'll be driving electric eventually but I doubt your car is gonna go.[/QUOTE]
But I don't want an electric car.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43454119]But I don't want an electric car.[/QUOTE]
the article says that they'll be eliminating the [i]need[/i] for cars, which sounds like the best of both worlds - nobody would need a car to get somewhere, so the people who enjoy cars can enjoy whatever car they want because they wouldn't be restricted by the constant push for efficiency
"I need to get this large and heavy object to xyz, I can't carry it there. I know, I'll use my ca- oh."
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43454119]But I don't want an electric car.[/QUOTE]
Uhm okay, why not?
Richard Branson thinks we should replace some residential streets with greenspace.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43454119]But I don't want an electric car.[/QUOTE]
Well we're not going to be able to drive them forever. I want to own a V8 before fuel gets too expensive (and after I get my full license in a year's time) but eventually emissions standards are going to be so strict that only hybrids are going to pass them, and then manufacturers will go fuck it and dump the combustion engine. Saying all that though, I am all for hybrids. It's a shame not too many manufacturers are doing like what Honda did with the CR-Z; a hybrid that can also be sporty.
[editline]8th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43454291]Uhm okay, why not?[/QUOTE]
Because petrol engines have amazing sound quality, and it ultimately just finishes the driver experience. Also, electric only vehicles at the moment have shit range and recharging them is inconvenient.
[QUOTE=Britishboy;43454204]"I need to get this large and heavy object to xyz, I can't carry it there. I know, I'll use my ca- oh."[/QUOTE]
This is kind of silly, how often do you move heavy objects around in your car, assuming your job doesn't involve moving heavy objects?
[editline]7th January 2014[/editline]
I need to pay thousands of dollars a year and change the way cities look forever just so I can move my couch easier when I switch apartments every 4 years.
[editline]7th January 2014[/editline]
Itd probably be cheaper and make more sense to have rental services for cars become the norm, but apparently everyone living in a city NEEDS a car because why not.
come and take it commies
oh they just mean there in Hamburg, nevermind
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;43454291]Uhm okay, why not?[/QUOTE]
Because YOLO.
[QUOTE=Excalibuurr;43454501]Like buying new TV, or lots of groceries, or furniture![/QUOTE]
my boss actually uses rental cars to move around groceries, he says it's way cheaper. personally i can feed myself just walking to the store and buying groceries and then walking them home. it's not really that hard to customize a bike to move around grocies (i've seen it done) or create other human powered vehicles to move them around.
i guess the decline of cars also might mark the decline of consumerism.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43454429]Because petrol engines have amazing sound quality, and it ultimately just finishes the driver experience. Also, electric only vehicles at the moment have shit range and recharging them is inconvenient.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure there are electric only cars that go just fine, and besides I'm talking about the future - if an electric car is cheaper and greener then there is no reason to keep driving around with fuel.
[QUOTE=Excalibuurr;43454501]Like buying new TV, or lots of groceries, or furniture![/QUOTE]
Does anyone still buy electronics in retail shops to haul home themselves though? Shipping is often free for orders as expensive as TVs where I tend to shop. I usually do light grocery shopping every few days after work but once I get a better pay I'll probably sign myself up on one of those weekly-grocery-bag-at-your-doorstep services.
A car-free city would be mighty awesome in my opinion. They already have somewhat decent bike lane coverage where I live but having central stretches of road mostly to oneself would be really nice.
I should ask the Euro FPers, how important is it for you guys to be able to drive once you turn 18? Do you guys often use public trans as opposed to getting your own vehicle?
Because I know for a fact that in the US almost everybody wants to get their own car and it's pretty much a sign of independence and freedom for teens that are growing up here in the US.
Rate Agree if getting a car at 18 is pretty important
Disagree if it isn't really that vital to own a car or be able to drive one at 18
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43454429]
Because petrol engines have amazing sound quality, and it ultimately just finishes the driver experience. Also, electric only vehicles at the moment have shit range and recharging them is inconvenient.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that's just an acquired taste, that will be deemed irrelevant and dropped like an old fad outside of niche circles once electric cars stars gaining serious traction.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43453925]fuck you I want my hovercars[/QUOTE]
Easy as shit, costly and inefficient as butts :saddowns:
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;43454665]I should ask the Euro FPers, how important is it for you guys to be able to drive once you turn 18? Do you guys often use public trans as opposed to getting your own vehicle?
Because I know for a fact that in the US almost everybody wants to get their own car and it's pretty much a sign of independence and freedom for teens that are growing up here in the US.
Rate Agree if getting a car at 18 is pretty important
Disagree if it isn't really that vital to own a car or be able to drive one at 18[/QUOTE]
It's pretty much the same here in general, but it's changing. Apparently surveys show that fewer and fewer youths these days get their license. In the late 80's 60% of all 20-year olds in Sweden had their license, nowadays it's only 40%. The world economy is largely responsible for the drop because of how expensive getting your license and owning a car gets, but the trend hasn't turned back up again even now when the average consumer has a decent economy again. Having your OWN car at the age of 18 is not very common. My friend who grew up in the countryside had a really rickety one (many do because distances), but most people I know can't get one, it's just too darn expensive.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;43454665]I should ask the Euro FPers, how important is it for you guys to be able to drive once you turn 18? Do you guys often use public trans as opposed to getting your own vehicle?
Because I know for a fact that in the US almost everybody wants to get their own car and it's pretty much a sign of independence and freedom for teens that are growing up here in the US.
Rate Agree if getting a car at 18 is pretty important
Disagree if it isn't really that vital to own a car or be able to drive one at 18[/QUOTE]
Lol here in Denmark getting your own car at 18 is basically ridiculous. The cost is enormous, and most of the time there's really not much of a reason to get one - I use either my bicycle or the public transportation. I'll probably take a driver's license over the course of the summer, but that's really more to just have it (might net me cheaper insurance when I actually get a car) than because I need it.
I think home delivery services will become more and more common in the near future and the need for a car will decline.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;43455057]Public transport is decent, all fun jobs require you to have at least a drivers license. Around 10 KM I do most by bike, 20 KM with my moped, beyond that I use my parents car or train. I don't own a car because I wouldn't know where to park it here. If you want a parking spot in my town you can forget about getting a spot inside it. People started to park on the sidewalks bushes, garbage bin collection spots etc.[/QUOTE]
Decent public transport and few huge distances seems to be a nice way to reduce the need for a car.
I had a wonderful time when I was in the Netherlands last year as it seemed like I could ride a train to basically anywhere in the country in no time :)
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