• Japan rescues 26 North Koreans from sinking ship
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[img]http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170112104038-north-korea-japan-sinking-ship-3-exlarge-169.jpg[/img] [quote]Twenty-six North Koreans are in Japanese custody after being pulled from a sinking cargo ship off the coast of Japan late Wednesday. The Japanese Coast Guard went to the rescue after receiving a distress signal from the ship, which had run into difficulties off Japan's Kyushu Prefecture, 38 miles (61 kilometers) southwest of the Goto Islands, a spokesman said. The ship's crew members had evacuated and were on life boats when the Japanese Coast Guard reached them. By early Thursday morning, the ship had completely sunk. All crew members are safe and uninjured, the spokesman said. Japan does not have formal diplomatic relations with North Korea. [/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/asia/north-koreans-rescued-japan/index.html[/url] Hopefully they keep them or fly them to SK
Wonder why it sunk, maybe it is a way to escape NK.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51658646]Wonder why it sunk, maybe it is a way to escape NK.[/QUOTE] i'd say it is a 50/50 split between them being north korean refugees or north korean spies
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51658649]i'd say it is a 50/50 split between them being north korean refugees or north korean spies[/QUOTE] Probably not, according to Wikipedia [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_merchant_ships]North Korea has a fairly sizable merchant navy[/url]. It was probably just badly maintained and sunk.
[QUOTE=Booker K;51658665]even if they have no relations and north korea isnt very respected, good on japan for rescuing them[/QUOTE] You are legally obligated to render aid regardless of nationality if you are able to respond to a distress signal. It's written international law. Specifically, SOLAS Chapter V reg 33
There's a good chance many of them will return to North Korea
[QUOTE=MrBacon;51658701]There's a good chance many of them will return to North Korea[/QUOTE] I wonder what punshiment awaits them for losing the ship
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51658649]i'd say it is a 50/50 split between them being north korean refugees or north korean spies[/QUOTE] Seems like a pretty bad way of smuggling spies in if you know right away they're actually north koreans :v:
[QUOTE=SirJon;51658727]Seems like a pretty bad way of smuggling spies in if you know right away they're actually north koreans :v:[/QUOTE] the idea is they pretend that they need asylum from north korea and weasel their way in on pity and "thisl make nk pissy" sentiment
It's going to be extremely interesting what these guys have to say about life in North Korea... assuming any of them want to share anything with the Japanese... they were a crew on a ship and probably could have defected if they wanted to, unless they have families back in NK who would be executed if they didn't return... If that's the case, they have the perfect excuse as to why they didn't return. Hopefully Japan gets word to North Korea before their government assumes they've bailed and punishes their families. Seeing as how there's no formal diplomatic relations between the two countries, I wonder if Japan is in any hurry to inform NK, and wonder if Japan will release them back to North Korea without any stipulations on behalf of the Japanese government or if they can work out a prisoner exchange...? Seeing as how NK doesn't give a single fuck about their inhabitants, I wonder how they'll respond to this... either not give a shit... or use it as another excuse to stir up some more shit? Anyone know what the NK crew's status is considered by Japan? Refugees, or detainees of a hostile nation? Any ideas? [editline]12th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51658649]i'd say it is a 50/50 split between them being north korean refugees or north korean spies[/QUOTE] I was also thinking the whole thing could have been staged in order to plant themselves efficiently. I'm sure Japan has taken that into account as well.
[QUOTE=IceTea;51658769]It's going to be extremely interesting what these guys have to say about life in North Korea... assuming any of them want to share anything with the Japanese...[/QUOTE] Life in NK is no mystery. There are defactors every month. You can also visit NK as a tourist if you jump trough some hoops. Plenty of westerners have done it
wonder if they're going to be returned to NK
[QUOTE=ThinMemer;51658731]the idea is they pretend that they need asylum from north korea and weasel their way in on pity and "thisl make nk pissy" sentiment[/QUOTE] I can tell you are a master spy.
I am willing to bet that the way the NK will spin this internally is that the ship was sunk by the Japanese and the crew taken prisoner by them.
Oh shit, Goto is just off the coast from me. [QUOTE=IceTea;51658769] I was also thinking the whole thing could have been staged in order to plant themselves efficiently. I'm sure Japan has taken that into account as well.[/QUOTE] Maybe, but it wouldn't suprise me judging by NKs [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens"]history with Japan[/URL] it's certainly plausable.
I really hope they end up rehoming them in Japan. Or at least hand them over to another country aside from NK who can.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51658649]i'd say it is a 50/50 split between them being north korean refugees or north korean spies[/QUOTE] I really doubt it. Ships are expensive as hell, why would they sacrifice one when they could just as easily fake them getting smuggled in from China?
[QUOTE=taipan;51658791]Life in NK is no mystery. There are defactors every month. You can also visit NK as a tourist if you jump trough some hoops. Plenty of westerners have done it[/QUOTE] No shit, every month? That's pretty crazy. I didn't realize how frequently people were able to escape... also, I know it's not really a "mystery" as to what life is like inside the confines of North Korea... I was thinking about hearing these peoples first hand account of the atrocities committed there when I wrote that. Sorry for the confusion. [editline]12th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ta16;51659181]Oh shit, Goto is just off the coast from me. Maybe, but it wouldn't suprise me judging by NKs [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizens"]history with Japan[/URL] it's certainly plausable.[/QUOTE] Holy shit, that's fucking insane.
[QUOTE=Steam-Pixie;51659322]I really hope they end up rehoming them in Japan. Or at least hand them over to another country aside from NK who can.[/QUOTE] People have to realize these people probably have family and other reasons to stay in nk. If they just bailed plenty of bad things could come to there family and possibly them.
Most of them will likely want to return. You're only allowed to work abroad if you have family that they can use to leverage against you. Atleast according to some interviews Vice did with the NK loggers in Russia.
[QUOTE=OvB;51658680]You are legally obligated to render aid regardless of nationality if you are able to respond to a distress signal. It's written international law. Specifically, SOLAS Chapter V reg 33[/QUOTE] Of course you have to know your maritime law, OvB... owning a boat and all.
Do North Koreans sail cargo ships them selves to other ports? If they do can't see why they'd not want to go back to North Korea now. They could have defected any other time they were at foreign ports prior to this accident
[QUOTE=jamzzster;51660213]Do North Koreans sail cargo ships them selves to other ports? If they do can't see why they'd not want to go back to North Korea now. They could have defected any other time they were at foreign ports prior to this accident[/QUOTE] As it's been previously stated, the NK government basically holds your family hostage if you work in the merchant fleet. That way, you're obligated to return unless you want your family to face a 3 generation punishment in a gulag.
[QUOTE=jamzzster;51660213]Do North Koreans sail cargo ships them selves to other ports? If they do can't see why they'd not want to go back to North Korea now. They could have defected any other time they were at foreign ports prior to this accident[/QUOTE] Typically the ports that NK vessels sail to are countries that aren't much better than NK, like China, Iran, etc. Those countries aren't going to give you asylum. Their best bet would be scuttling the ship and getting rescued by someone that might give you asylum. You can't just run away and try to sail to the UK or US. The ports won't grant you access and you'll probably start an international incident as you sit off the coast running out of provisions. I guess in that situation you'd eventually get picked up by the coast guard/navy. Would still result in an international incident.
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