Anders Breivik, Norway murderer, wins human rights case - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik has won part of his human rights case against the Norwegian state. The court upheld his claim that some of his treatment amounted to "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". The right "represents a fundamental value in a democratic society" and also applied to "terrorists and killers," judge Helen Andenaes Sekulic said. Breivik, a right-wing extremist, killed dozens of centre-left young political activists in an attack in July 2011. Earlier that day, he set off a car bomb in the capital in Oslo, killing eight people. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36094575[/url]

Small clarification: he won on one of the two counts, violation of article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which 'prohibits torture, and "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment"'. He did not win on article 8, which 'provides a right to respect for one's "private and family life, his home and his correspondence"', but is subject to 'certain restrictions that are "in accordance with law" and "necessary in a democratic society"'. [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] He's also chosen to not appeal the parts he lost apparently.

Not to be that way, but wasn't his case pretty sane? Like he wasn't allowed to leave the cell or socialize at all?

[QUOTE=Orki;50167671]Not to be that way, but wasn't his case pretty sane? Like he wasn't allowed to leave the cell or socialize at all?[/QUOTE] Iirc he was in permanent solitary.

Well, good. I agree wholly with the judge's ruling. Prisons should be made to respect the basic human rights and dignities of their prisoners-- even the terrorists and murderers. Keeping him in inhumane conditions doesn't bring back his victims, and so long as he is in prison he will not be making any new ones. He needs to be secured and well guarded, but otherwise his rights should be observed (up to the point where he may begin posing a serious risk to others again, at any rate). .

but did they get him a ps3??

I personally think he gets way more then he deserve, but I agree on the ruling. He may be a mass murdering swine, but it should not define how we as a nation should treat our prisoners.

I've no sympathy for the guy. He did a terrible thing, he will never rehabilitate, he will never be safe to release to the public. As far as I'm concerned guantanamo is too good for him. He's got it waaaay too good and should count his lucky stars on that one.

Well, I suppose keeping him in permanent solitary confinement is, while maybe not undeserved, still not in accordance with law.

[QUOTE=TestECull;50167841]I've no sympathy for the guy. He did a terrible thing, he will never rehabilitate, he will never be safe to release to the public. As far as I'm concerned guantanamo is too good for him. He's got it waaaay too good and should count his lucky stars on that one.[/QUOTE] An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The guy did something that cant be forgiven nor forgotten. Revenge won't accomplish anything though

[QUOTE=TestECull;50167841]I've no sympathy for the guy. He did a terrible thing, he will never rehabilitate, he will never be safe to release to the public. As far as I'm concerned guantanamo is too good for him. He's got it waaaay too good and should count his lucky stars on that one.[/QUOTE] Way too good? To spend your life in prison? Okay then.

He's not just a mass murderer, his a fucking terrorist. Why does none accept that? Might aswell classify those who did the Paris attacks as murderers and not terrorists

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50168043]He's not just a mass murderer, his a fucking terrorist. Why does none accept that? Might aswell classify those who did the Paris attacks as murderers and not terrorists[/QUOTE] What does that change about his conditions in prison?

[quote]Judge Sekulic also noted that Breivik had been woken up every half hour at night over a long period of time[/quote]

[QUOTE=da space core;50167922]An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The guy did something that cant be forgiven nor forgotten. Revenge won't accomplish anything though[/QUOTE] Keeping him locked up until he dies wont accomplish anything either, except making people feel better because they didn't kill him right away. It's a death punishment in a civilized disguise.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50168043]He's not just a mass murderer, his a fucking terrorist. Why does none accept that? Might aswell classify those who did the Paris attacks as murderers and not terrorists[/QUOTE] Everyone accept that, what are you on about. Do you really want Norway to make special laws just for him. He's already in prison, I personally doubt he's getting out and he's kept where he can do no harm. What would be the appropriate method? Small cell with only a mattress?

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50168069]Keeping him locked up until he dies wont accomplish anything either, except making people feel better because they didn't kill him right away. It's a death punishment in a civilized disguise.[/QUOTE] He has a 21 year sentence, with a minimum of 10 years of actual incarceration. Besides i am sure more then enough people would not consider years spend in prison equivalent to years spend dead.

[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50168043]He's not just a mass murderer, his a fucking terrorist. Why does none accept that? Might aswell classify those who did the Paris attacks as murderers and not terrorists[/QUOTE] Well, yeah, but how are you suggesting the T-word changes things?

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50168021]Way too good? To spend your life in prison? Okay then.[/QUOTE] I honestly couldn't care less if Breivik was left without anyone to talk to for the rest of his life, but I disagree with it on principle - everyone needs to be treated like humans, whatever feelings we might have.

I ultimately don't care what shit treatment he gets. However I'll openly admit that its the wrong attitude to have.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50168107]I honestly couldn't care less if Breivik was left without anyone to talk to for the rest of his life, but I disagree with it on principle - everyone needs to be treated like humans, whatever feelings we might have.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;50168172]I ultimately don't care what shit treatment he gets. However I'll openly admit that its the wrong attitude to have.[/QUOTE] Nah it's not the wrong attitude. It's just against the so-called human rights. And it's also detrimental to those who treat them like shit. It deadens their ability to sympathize with others' sufferings, and then their natural tendency to sympathize with other humans (like family even) is weakened. Animal beings too. The point is, it's bad for all parties involved. We're talking about torture, or rather cruelty.

[QUOTE=Cold;50168099]He has a 21 year sentence, with a minimum of 10 years of actual incarceration. Besides i am sure more then enough people would not consider years spend in prison equivalent to years spend dead.[/QUOTE] And realistically after the 10 years he will be kept for the other 11, then he will keep having that sentence refreshed every 5 years until he is actually dead as the law allows. There is very little chance he will ever get out.

It's times like these I find myself saying "fuck human rights" and respectfully request that the Norwegian government toss this deranged monster down a dark hole and let him stew in his own feces for the next fifty years. Then I always catch myself in the act of committing a double-standard and think, "damn, having principles is hard" before wandering off feeling defeated to contemplate whether there's any hope for the human race or if we should all just go back to beating each other to death with stone clubs.

I'm sure the families of the departed will love to hear he gets respected as a human being for the mass killing of young people he did while laughing and smiling all the way and hasn't shown a single iota of remorse I'm not having any problems with the idea that someone might make him trip and fall off a cliff

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;50168945]I'm sure the families of the departed will love to hear he gets respected as a human being for the mass killing of young people he did while laughing and smiling all the way and hasn't shown a single iota of remorse I'm not having any problems with the idea that someone might make him trip and fall off a cliff[/QUOTE] I've never understood why people suddenly become big, peaceful moral crusaders when it comes to Brevik and saying that he must be "respected as a human being guys!" when he goes out of his way to [I]murder children for a political purpose[/I]. If keeping him locked in a prison kept to himself is a breach of human rights than take me to the fuckin' Hague.

While its arguably provoking of him to appeal to his human rights, its fairly reasonable in the context of Norwegian/EU law. If you're unsure how to react to this, emotionally, consider this. The sole purpose of his imprisonment is to permanently separate this inhuman fuck from society. There has never been any claim for vengeance or retaliation to take place, this is not what the justice system is aimed at in such a case. I mean, how can you possibly satisfy all the very different notions of how such a person is to be 'punished' for such an unimaginable act of pure hatred. It would probably involve something straight out of the middle ages, execution at the very least and it still wouldn't be enough. But this isn't about satisfying the emotional demands of the public, its about taking this guy forever out of society where he can do no more harm to the population. And honestly? I'm fine with that. He could be in four-star hotel for the rest of his life for all I care, as long as he's not among regular people ever again. What he actually deserves to satisfy each of our individual notions of justice is up for us to imagine. What he did is done, all the "would's an could's " won't change that, neither will anything that's done to him now as long as he remains imprisoned. leaving some people feeling angry and unsatisfied a relatively small price to pay for a progressive, modern justice system. The real evil has taken place already, its over now and it won't happen again with this person involved. That's the desired result, everything else is just emotion and being emotional over such a hateful thing is just natural. But we can't just all satisfy what our emotions demand all the time, especially when our emotions call for violence and murder. That's the same mechanism that made this fuck pick up a gun in the first place

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;50168945]I'm sure the families of the departed will love to hear he gets respected as a human being for the mass killing of young people he did while laughing and smiling all the way and hasn't shown a single iota of remorse I'm not having any problems with the idea that someone might make him trip and fall off a cliff[/QUOTE] I don't know why folks think repeatedly stating what he did is suddenly going to make humane prison treatment activists say, "oh, never mind." We know what Breivik did. We think it disgusting. We are just as horrified and outraged as anybody else. Our wish to see people like Breivik still have their basic human rights respected has nothing to do with our personal feelings towards them, but rather out of the simple belief that human rights and dignities must always, above all else, be upheld, respected, and truly viewed as inalienable. It is the belief that, in making unnecessary exceptions to these principles (even for the worst people we can imagine), that we are undermining the concept of human rights entirely, perverting the notion and opening it up to exploitation. Basically, it's "human rights," not "human privileges." By failing to recognize that for EVERYBODY, we allow for the possibility that those rights could be eroded for ANYBODY.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;50168069]Keeping him locked up until he dies wont accomplish anything either.[/QUOTE] Uh yes it does, it prevents him from fucking blowing up Oslo again.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50168983]I've never understood why people suddenly become big, peaceful moral crusaders when it comes to Brevik and saying that he must be "respected as a human being guys!" when he goes out of his way to [I]murder children for a political purpose[/I]. If keeping him locked in a prison kept to himself is a breach of human rights than take me to the fuckin' Hague.[/QUOTE] But people didn't suddenly become moral crusaders, this is Norway sticking to the morals we have previously valued. The difference now is that this is the most extreme criminal we have been subject to so far in Norway, and we need to make sure that we don't start making exceptions now because if we do, where would we stop? If we start treating Breivik worse, where do we then draw the line with other criminals?

[QUOTE=Terminutter;50168493]And realistically after the 10 years he will be kept for the other 11, then he will keep having that sentence refreshed every 5 years until he is actually dead as the law allows. There is very little chance he will ever get out.[/QUOTE] But surely the factors for the extending of his sentence and the denying of parole are based on behavior and risk to society and not as an extension of his sentence.