Man names Wi-Fi network “Daesh 21,” prosecuted under French anti-terror law - Polidicks

[quote]French media reported Friday that an 18-year-old man from Dijon was convicted for "praising terrorism" and was given a suspended sentence of three months in prison because the SSID of his Wi-Fi network was "Daesh 21." Daesh is the Arabic acronym for Islamic State, and "21" in this context represents the number for the Côte d’Or, the French department, or province, where Dijon is located. The unnamed man was prosecuted under a new French anti-terrorism law (Article 421-2-5) passed in November 2014 that makes it a crime to "directly provoke acts of terrorism or to publicly praise one such act." If convicted, offenders can be punished by up to five years in prison and a €75,000 ($83,000) fine. Such penalties are raised to seven years and €100,000 ($111,000) if the crime was committed by using a "public online communication service." A local newspaper, Le Bien public, described the man as being "totally dazed" in front of the court and said that he was "not a terrorist." He was first sentenced to 100 hours of community service, which he refused, but he was finally given a three-month suspended sentence. The man's lawyer, Karima Manhouli, who did not immediately respond to Ars' request for comment, said that one of the man's neighbors reported him to police. "The authorities went to the street to evaluate the signal, made numerous inquiries, in vain, with Samsung, and then to the operator, etc., to eventually be able to identify this young man," she told Next Inpact. "He's an 18-year-old who has not even been able to explain the name. I don't think that renaming a Wi-Fi network is an act of praise! It's neutral, it's nonsense, it's not an argument." She added that the man's computer, phone, Twitter, and Instagram were seized and searched. Nothing else terrorist-related was found.[/quote] [url]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/frenchman-given-suspended-sentence-for-naming-his-wi-fi-network-daesh-21/[/url]

Doesn't ISIS hate being called Daesh? Idk, I read that somewhere. Also, arrested for [I]that[/I] name? Wow, lol.

Time to change my wifi name to "ISIS secret torture dungeon"

Overreacting much?

[video=youtube;3SHPsON0gTg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SHPsON0gTg[/video] [editline]4th November 2016[/editline] if i get banned for video reply that proves the terrorists have won [highlight](User was banned for this post ("I'm willing to accept that." - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=The golden;51311096]This is bordering on thought-police levels of intrusion. They even searched all his shit and his accounts. Real terrorists don't fucking use names which insult their organizations and joke around.[/QUOTE] If I was a terrorist I'd make people THINK I was making fun of terrorists to divert attention! Clearly this was well deserved! (Not really this is fucking stupid.)

This is what happens when you lose your freedom of speech. No fun allowed in France.

[QUOTE=J!NX;51311049]Time to change my wifi name to "ISIS secret torture dungeon"[/QUOTE] Or your caller ID.

[QUOTE=sannys;51311044]Doesn't ISIS hate being called Daesh? Idk, I read that somewhere. Also, arrested for [I]that[/I] name? Wow, lol.[/QUOTE] Yeah, IIRC at some point they even publicly requested people stop calling them that because it was pissing them off so much. Ironically that's pretty much the only reason why anyone calls them that here.

[QUOTE=sannys;51311044]Doesn't ISIS hate being called Daesh? Idk, I read that somewhere. Also, arrested for [I]that[/I] name? Wow, lol.[/QUOTE] No people just like to come up with shit so they appear to know stuff. Daesh is literally the Arabic word for ISIS, Because many muslims Don't want to say the Islamic State because it does not represents them. This is coming from a guy who speaks Arabic fluently.

Shit, I once called my wifi in the dormitory "The rapist from above" (I was living on the 12th floor). Am I a sexual offender now?

[QUOTE=MaGGiFiXXX;51311704]Shit, I once called my wifi in the dormitory "The rapist from above" (I was living on the 12th floor). Am I a sexual offender now?[/QUOTE] You might be, rape jokes is a serious thing these days

Europe has one of the strangest anti-speech laws around. The U.S. appears to be is the only safe haven for free thought.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51311733]Europe has one of the strangest anti-speech laws around. The U.S. appears to be is the only safe haven for free thought.[/QUOTE] Come on man, don't lump all of Europe into one. Different countries have different laws. It's only France and Germany that's really butthurt about terrorists and immigrants.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51311733]Europe has one of the strangest anti-speech laws around. The U.S. appears to be is the only safe haven for free thought.[/QUOTE] Union of Nations and each their respective press legislation = U.S. press legislation Nope, try again. Also, your "safe haven for free thought" ballooned up the Trump blimp, don't compare our apples to your orange.

I think going "France has no freeze peach!!" after someone was prosecuted for naming their wifi after a terrorist organisation is pretty disingenuous considering this is the same country that has had 3 high profile terrorist attacks and a large number of smaller ones in the past 2 years. France [I]is[/I] under threat of more terrorist attacks, and I really can't blame the police there for investigating anything that might be a threat.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51311835]I think going "France has no freeze peach!!" after someone was prosecuted for naming their wifi after a terrorist organisation is pretty disingenuous considering this is the same country that has had 3 high profile terrorist attacks and a large number of smaller ones in the past 2 years. France [I]is[/I] under threat of more terrorist attacks, and I really can't blame the police there for investigating anything that might be a threat.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you; I was about to post the exact same thing. Also, this name is not an insult to them; as an Arabic speaker, I can confirm that this is what they call themselves.

If I lived in france, considering the recent developments there, I would of reported it too. Surely the police have to investigate every possible threat, imagine if they would have ignored it and then there was an incident later. Naming his wi-fi Daesh and then refusing his sentence shows this guy is obviously dumb, I would have given him a small custodial sentence to bring him to his senses.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51311733]Europe has one of the strangest anti-speech laws around. The U.S. appears to be is the only safe haven for free thought.[/QUOTE] Thats a suprisingly pretentious thing to say

This is what happens when you let fear of terrorism override common sense. But then, nowadays it seems like everybody's forgotten that the primary aim of terrorists is to achieve a goal [I]through terror[/I], and we're all just shit-scared anyway. So I guess the terrorists [I]are[/I] winning.

People who say the guy was in the wrong have obviously gone completely insane, recent terrorist attacks or not.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51311733]Europe has one of the strangest anti-speech laws around. The U.S. appears to be is the only safe haven for free thought.[/QUOTE] EU free speech is very similar to US, you're just less likely to get sued in EU.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;51311969]EU free speech is very similar to US, you're just less likely to get sued in EU.[/QUOTE] Apparently you get charged with something instead.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51311835]I think going "France has no freeze peach!!" after someone was prosecuted for naming their wifi after a terrorist organisation is pretty disingenuous considering this is the same country that has had 3 high profile terrorist attacks and a large number of smaller ones in the past 2 years. France [I]is[/I] under threat of more terrorist attacks, and I really can't blame the police there for investigating anything that might be a threat.[/QUOTE] There is a consistent pattern among France with restricting speech and this prohibition has long predated terrorism in France by several decades. Various scholars and academics have been imprisoned in France back in the the 70s for proposing alternative theories to the existence of gas chambers for the Holocaust. The Faurisson affair had no relation to a high-potential terror threat and it occurred around 1979.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;51311969]EU free speech is very similar to US, you're just less likely to get sued in EU.[/QUOTE] Libel is very hard to win in US courts. As the accuser has to prove the defendant knew they were lying. Different EU countries obviously go about this differently. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#Libel_law[/url] The UK is one where its much harder for the defendant to prove they didn't commit libel. In the US the accuser can certainly sue, but is more likely to loose due to the higher burden of proof on the accuser.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51311744]Come on man, don't lump all of Europe into one. Different countries have different laws. It's only France and Germany that's really butthurt about terrorists and immigrants.[/QUOTE] Even in Germany this (wifi name) isn't illegal though (but would probably be considered in really bad taste) :v:

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51312038]Even in Germany this (wifi name) isn't illegal though (but would probably be considered in really bad taste) :v:[/QUOTE] I bet naming it something negative about immigrants would be though.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51312210]I bet naming it something negative about immigrants would be though.[/QUOTE] Nope :eng101: There are essentially three things you can't do here: - maliciously [B]lie[/B] about someone or a protected group* - call for violence against someone or a protected group* - glorify the third reich Avoid that (i.e. stick to facts) and you're in the clear. * These are ([URL="http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1241"]according to $130 StGB[/URL]): national, racial and religious groups and groups defined by their ethnic origins. ([editline]edit[/editline] The actual laws involved are more specific than this, of course. These actions listed above are only contextually illegal, but [I]very[/I] seriously insulting someone might get you in trouble even if it doesn't technically constitute a factual lie.)

To add onto this. UK here, in college we have a lession every week about "supporting british values" and this week we "learned" that you should report people to the police who look at conspiricy theories as they could be terrorists. This is some 1984-tier shit.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51312210]I bet naming it something negative about immigrants would be though.[/QUOTE] I don't think you would get arrested for just naming your private Wi-Fi network though.