US intel assessment based on ‘terrorist lies’ and ‘media hype’ – Syrian Foreign Ministry - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The intelligence assessment the US administration presented as evidence that the Syrian government deployed chemical weapons on its own people is baseless and based on “terrorist lies” and “media exaggeration,” Syrian foreign ministry sources say. A source at the Foreign and Expatriates Ministry told Sana, Syria’s state-owned news agency, that any American military action in Syria would only serve the political interests of the United States, despite pledges from US lawmakers that the action is meant to curb the use of chemical weapons against civilians. “The Syrian government affirms that Kerry’s allegations that the Syrian Army knew about chemical weapons use three days prior to the incident are lies,” the source told Sana, “as proven by the fact that Syria requested the investigation committee to visit al-Bahaia area where Syrian Army soldiers were exposed to toxic gas, and the committee met the affected soldiers in the area.” In the extracts of the classified US report released Friday, the American intelligence community to have been aware of an impending chemical weapon attack three days before the August 21 crisis. A White House spokesman, speaking with reporters Friday, refused to discuss whether that information had been shared with anyone including the Syrian opposition.[/QUOTE] [url]http://rt.com/news/syria-denies-us-intelligence-235/[/url]

We get information through torture and all the information gained through torture comes out to words , usually lies that are said to make the pain stop.

What are they suppose to do? Confirm they gas people?

when are you going to stop using these terrible sources to post dreadful news stories? [quote]The intelligence assessment the US administration presented as evidence that the Syrian government deployed chemical weapons on its own people is baseless and based on “terrorist lies” and “media exaggeration,” Syrian foreign ministry sources say.[/quote] you even edited the title stop

[quote]“The Syrian government affirms that Kerry’s allegations that the Syrian Army knew about chemical weapons use three days prior to the incident are lies,” the source told Sana, “as proven by the fact that Syria requested the investigation committee to visit al-Bahaia area where Syrian Army soldiers were exposed to toxic gas, and the committee met the affected soldiers in the area.”[/quote] Has the Syrian government provided any evidence of this alleged attack? Just to hold them to the same standard as the United States

Terrorist lies?! But thats the worst kind.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42026176]We get information through torture and all the information gained through torture comes out to words , usually lies that are said to make the pain stop.[/QUOTE] you are an idiot. the CIA historically has informants on the ground and agents who actively gather intel, we're not chaining people to tables and torturing them here. what happened under G.W. and at Gitmo is terrible but we're not hunting and capturing terrorists, just intel about whats going on on the ground.

My only question is, if the American intelligence community knew of the impending attack 3 days before, why didn't they do anything to warn the Syrian people living in that area? If they truly cared about the livelihood of the civilians, I would assume that this was something they would have done straight away.

[QUOTE=agentalexandre;42026758]My only question is, if the American intelligence community knew of the impending attack 3 days before, why didn't they do anything to warn the Syrian people living in that area? If they truly cared about the livelihood of the civilians, I would assume that this was something they would have done straight away.[/QUOTE] Well, maybe we did tell them, and maybe they didn't listen.

[QUOTE=agentalexandre;42026758]My only question is, if the American intelligence community knew of the impending attack 3 days before, why didn't they do anything to warn the Syrian people living in that area? If they truly cared about the livelihood of the civilians, I would assume that this was something they would have done straight away.[/QUOTE] Thing is that US Government agencies exist for the people of the US. I can pretty much guarantee you that they don't give a single shit about Syrian civilians.

To be completely fair, the last time the CIA had a "slam dunk", it turned out to be complete horseshit invented to justify a war that killed over a hundred thousand people. Now the president isn't even waiting for the UN report, he's already made up his mind that Assad used chemical weapons against civilians and needs to be bombed as a result. That said, it's pretty fucking obvious that the regime did deploy chemical weapons.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;42027312]To be completely fair, the last time the CIA had a "slam dunk", it turned out to be complete horseshit invented to justify a war that killed over a hundred thousand people. Now the president isn't even waiting for the UN report, he's already made up his mind that Assad used chemical weapons against civilians and needs to be bombed as a result. That said, it's pretty fucking obvious that the regime did deploy chemical weapons.[/QUOTE] The UN report isn't going to say who did what (they have made this clear, its well beyond their remit), its going to say that they were used which is patently obvious. If the intel the US government is claiming to have is correct there is no point in waiting for the UN inspection to report.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42026176]We get information through torture and all the information gained through torture comes out to words , usually lies that are said to make the pain stop.[/QUOTE] No, that's total bullshit and you have no idea how collection works. Do a Google search on the subject. [QUOTE=SKEEA;42027000]Thing is that US Government agencies exist for the people of the US. I can pretty much guarantee you that they don't give a single shit about Syrian civilians.[/QUOTE] That's not true at all. My dad was an operations officer for the agency for close to twenty years, and he could never deal with the job emotionally, knowing that the people he was recruiting could be targeted and killed if caught. Most of his co-workers had marriages dissolve, many became alcoholics or found other vices. It's not that they don't care, it's that they're not allowed to do anything that would reveal their presence, because then the whole operation goes out the window. That's not an easy job for anyone. [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;42027312]To be completely fair, the last time the CIA had a "slam dunk", it turned out to be complete horseshit invented to justify a war that killed over a hundred thousand people. Now the president isn't even waiting for the UN report, he's already made up his mind that Assad used chemical weapons against civilians and needs to be bombed as a result. [/QUOTE] Was that the CIA? My understanding was that the administration just made stuff up entirely contrary to intelligence reports that showed no evidence of chemical weapons.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42027791] Was that the CIA? My understanding was that the administration just made stuff up entirely contrary to intelligence reports that showed no evidence of chemical weapons.[/QUOTE] As I recall, the Bush administration basically instructed the CIA to produce something they could use to justify the invasion. What the CIA produced was far from bulletproof, but it was enough for Bush to run with and sell the war.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;42027862]As I recall, the Bush administration basically instructed the CIA to produce something they could use to justify the invasion. What the CIA produced was far from bulletproof, but it was enough for Bush to run with and sell the war.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/]Evidence points to[/url] Bush essentially having his own narrative and ignoring everything he was told. Not that the CIA has been perfect by any means- look at their failure to predict the Korean War, look at the Bay of Pigs, look at the fall of the Soviet Union and the breakup of Yugoslavia. But they're just one agency amongst quite a few, and since the document in question is referring to intelligence sources out of the CIA's jurisdiction (SIGINT, GEOINT, MASINT) it's clear that the whole community is involved.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;42027862]As I recall, the Bush administration basically instructed the CIA to produce something they could use to justify the invasion. What the CIA produced was far from bulletproof, but it was enough for Bush to run with and sell the war.[/QUOTE] The main issue seems to be that they trusted (either on purpose or to fabricate evidence) a guy who [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29]was just a cab driver with a wild imagination[/url]. I honestly wonder how different the last decade would have looked had the US govt listened to both the BND (the people who found him..) and SIS and not built a case for war on it.

[QUOTE=agentalexandre;42026758]My only question is, if the American intelligence community knew of the impending attack 3 days before, why didn't they do anything to warn the Syrian people living in that area? If they truly cared about the livelihood of the civilians, I would assume that this was something they would have done straight away.[/QUOTE] Maybe they only realised in hindsight what the preparations were for. The document doesn't say they knew it was coming beforehand, it says: [quote]In the three days prior to the attack, we collected streams of human, signals and geospatial intelligence that reveal regime activities that we assess were associated with preparations for a chemical weapons attack.[/quote]