do it again
[vid]http://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/C2ppSR7XUAIbBUL.mp4[/vid]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHzrEKWZkB8[/media]
Wow, down already? That was fast.
i too advocate violence against people with opinions i don't like
[QUOTE=Camdude90;51701339]i too advocate violence against people with opinions i don't like[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/gYAU2p5.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51701351][img]http://i.imgur.com/gYAU2p5.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
my bad dude i just googled him and yeah looks like he's starting up holocaust 2.0 so good thing that dude punched him that will definitely dissuade him and not entrench him further in his views or something
i did this
[editline]20th January 2017[/editline]
[media]https://twitter.com/MrTrunney/status/822580347409932290[/media]
heres mirror
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer[/url]
[quote]Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978) is an American white nationalist, known for promoting white supremacist views.[2][3][4] He is president of the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist think-tank, and Washington Summit Publishers, an independent publishing firm. Spencer has stated that he rejects the description of white supremacist, and describes himself as an identitarian.[5][6] He advocates for a white homeland for a "dispossessed white race" and calls for "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to halt the "deconstruction" of European culture.
Spencer and others have said that he created the term "alt-right",[7] a term he considers a movement about white identity.[8][9][10]
Spencer has repeatedly quoted from Nazi propaganda and spoken critically of the Jewish people,[10][11] although he has denied being a neo-Nazi. Spencer and his organization drew considerable media attention in the weeks following the 2016 presidential election, where, in response to his cry "Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!", a number of his supporters gave the Nazi salute similar to the Sieg Heil chant used at the Nazis' mass rallies. Spencer has defended their conduct, stating that the Nazi salute was given in a spirit of "irony and exuberance".[12][/quote]
not only is he a nazi he's also a piss poor liar about it lol
[QUOTE=Camdude90;51701376]my bad dude i just googled him and yeah looks like he's starting up holocaust 2.0 so good thing that dude punched him that will definitely dissuade him and not entrench him further in his views or something[/QUOTE]
something tells me that man wasn't aiming for dissuasion
[QUOTE=Camdude90;51701339]i too advocate violence against people with opinions i don't like[/QUOTE]
If you're a white supremacist you deserve to be punched in the face tbh
You shouldn't punch people because of their opinions.
[sp]but that probably felt really good tho[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51701461]something tells me that man wasn't aiming for dissuasion[/QUOTE]
well as long as we can agree it was pointless and accomplished nothing
i guess it probably felt good that justifies it
Yeah I'm really not sure that punching someone, even if they might be a total fucking arsehole with views that I completely disagree with is at all justified.
he can eat shit and get punched 100 times because he's a [I]fucking nazi[/I]
It's hilarious that he got punched right after he started talking about Pepe being a symbol
I know it had nothing to do with why he got punched but the timing was perfect :v:
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;51701495]he can eat shit and get punched 100 times because he's a [I]fucking nazi[/I][/QUOTE]
I feel like we are supposed to be better than that though, perhaps I'm just a bit of a hippy or whatever, I don't know.
But I really don't feel like punching him is really any sort of solution other than a feel good one, it's only going to make him further entrench in his ideology even more and also give more ammo to the people who support him and his views.
hahah oh actually this is my favourite meme you see it's a frog from the internet called pepe and you see *eats shit*
[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;51701495]he can eat shit and get punched 100 times because he's a [I]fucking nazi[/I][/QUOTE]
have you thought that maybe an actual conversation might help a little bit more?
[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/the-audacity-of-talking-about-race-with-the-klu-klux-klan/388733/[/url]
[quote=The Atlantic]The most consequential part of his investigation began when he took out the card of that Klansman who came to his gigs, looked up his address, and went unannounced to his house. The man had, in the interim, been kicked out of the group (he'd taken Ku Klux Klan money to attend a rally but spent it on Hulk Hogan tickets). "Do you know Roger Kelly, the Grand Dragon?" Davis asked. He wanted to set up an interview with the Klan leader. Finally he got a phone number from his ex-Klan friend, who said, "Do not go to Roger Kelly's house. Roger Kelly will kill you."
His first meeting with Roger Kelly is retold dramatically in the podcast.
For our purposes, it is enough to know that at the end of the interview, the two men shook hands and the Klan leader said, "Stay in touch," extending his business card. "I was thinking, what? I didn't come here to make friends with the Klan!" Davis said. "I came here to find out, how can you hate me when you don't know me?" Nevertheless, he started inviting the Klan leader to gigs and then to his house.
"He'd sit right over there on the couch," Davis said. "Sometimes I would invite over some of my Jewish friends, some of my black friends, some of my white friends, just to engage Mr. Kelly in conversation ... I didn't want him to think I was some exception. I wanted him to talk to other people. After awhile he began coming down here by himself, no [bodyguard]. He trusted me that much. After a couple years, he became Imperial Wizard. The national leader. He began inviting me to his house."
In time, Davis attended Klan rallies. He was clear that he vehemently disagreed with the group and its ideology. But he would also shake their hands and pose for photographs. [/quote]
[quote=Daryl Davis]
The most important thing I learned is that when you are actively learning about someone else you are passively teaching them about yourself. So if you have an adversary with an opposing point of view, give that person a platform. Allow them to air that point of view, regardless of how extreme it may be. And believe me, I've heard things so extreme at these rallies they'll cut you to the bone.
Give them a platform.
You challenge them. But you don't challenge them rudely or violently. You do it politely and intelligently. And when you do things that way chances are they will reciprocate and give you a platform. So he and I would sit down and listen to one another over a period of time. And the cement that held his ideas together began to get cracks in it. And then it began to crumble. And then it fell apart.[/quote]
[quote=The Atlantic]Eventually Roger Kelly quit the Ku Klux Klan. "He no longer believes today what he said," Davis explains. "And when he quit the Klan he gave me his robe and hood, which is the robe of the Imperial Wizard." Twelve other Klansmen did the same.[/quote]
Conversation only helped a leader of the KKK give up the KKK, no biggie or anything, would have been better to punch him
If we are defending physically assaulting far right activists here can we at least justify assaulting the far left or are we doing a left vs right thing here rather than centre vs radical?
righteous anger at cultural apepepropriation
[I]Why[/I] was he doing an interview out in public at the exact place where protests were happening?
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51701525]If we are defending physically assaulting far right activists here can we at least justify assaulting the far left or are we doing a left vs right thing here rather than centre vs radical?[/QUOTE]
I mean as long as we start with the white guy holding the White Lives Matter Too Much sign, I'm fine with that.
Radicals are retarded, left or right.
[QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51701502]this but unironically
[editline]20th January 2017[/editline]
anyone who wears a pepe pin deserves to be shot tbh[/QUOTE]
2016 and 2017, the year where this
[IMG]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/937/797/1ff.jpg[/IMG]
changed to this
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rn1UrGN.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=jonu67;51701514]I feel like we are supposed to be better than that though, perhaps I'm just a bit of a hippy or whatever, I don't know.
But I really don't feel like punching him is really any sort of solution other than a feel good one, it's only going to make him further entrench in his ideology even more and also give more ammo to the people who support him and his views.[/QUOTE]
Strictly speaking I agree with this, but I also think that if you actively seek to remove the basic rights of others, I don't have much of an ethical obligation to be too broken up when people don't respect your basic rights. I mean, I don't condone it either. Certainly we should strive to both beat people like him (not in a physical sense) and also be the better people along the way.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51701558]Strictly speaking I agree with this, but I also think that if you actively seek to remove the basic rights of others, I don't have much of an ethical obligation to be too broken up when people don't respect your basic rights.[/QUOTE]
i think if you want to try to convince nazis not to be that way with words, that's entirely your right, but equally if you want to punch them in their stupid faces that's entirely morally defensible
[editline]21st January 2017[/editline]
it's not really sporting behaviour to put jews and poles in ovens and gas chambers
[editline]21st January 2017[/editline]
or to defend your forebears who did, acknowledging that the ovens and gas chambers were bad but promising you'll try to accomplish the same thing because it was essentially a noble goal
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51701570]i think if you want to try to convince nazis not to be that way with words, that's entirely your right, but equally if you want to punch them in their stupid faces that's entirely morally defensible[/QUOTE]
Nazis are among the most well-practiced groups in history in forcing good people to stoop to their level out of necessity.
Of course, not [I]entirely[/I] to their level...
Being an apologist for violence of that kind is disgusting. That's not any better than being an actual extremist.
A democracy is based on all people being equal, all people having rights. If you strip them off one person, even if he's one who advocates just for that, you're opening up the possibility of stripping them of others. By doing that, you're breaking the binding agent that holds a democracy together, and making [I]everything[/I] worse.
Resorting to violence in cases such as this is literally the most incredibly brain dead and stupid thing you could possibly do.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51701570]i think if you want to try to convince nazis not to be that way with words, that's entirely your right, but equally if you want to punch them in their stupid faces that's entirely morally defensible
[editline]21st January 2017[/editline]
it's not really sporting behaviour to put jews and poles in ovens and gas chambers
[editline]21st January 2017[/editline]
or to defend your forebears who did, acknowledging that the ovens and gas chambers were bad but promising you'll try to accomplish the same thing because it was essentially a noble goal[/QUOTE]
Has Spencer actually advocated for putting people in ovens, or any form of violence for that matter?
[QUOTE=SirJon;51701593]Being an apologist for violence of that kind is disgusting. That's not any better than being an actual extremist.[/QUOTE]
yes it is
[QUOTE=srobins;51701611]Has Spencer actually advocated for putting people in ovens, or any form of violence for that matter?[/QUOTE]
He wants "peaceful" ethnic cleansing, but of course ethnic cleansing is inherently violent because it means systematically forcing people out of their country, using a system that is backed up by violence.
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