It's Apple's fault Nexus 6 has no fingerprint sensor, ex-CEO says - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cnet.com/news/its-apples-fault-nexus-6-has-no-fingerprint-sensor-former-exec/[/url] [quote]"The secret behind that is that it was supposed to be fingerprint recognition, and Apple bought the best supplier," Woodside told the Telegraph, referring to the dimple on the back of the Nexus 6 that currently houses the Motorola logo. "So the second-best supplier was the only one available to everyone else in the industry and they weren't there yet."[/quote]

Ya snooze you lose I guess

Thanks, Apple!

It's strange to think that in the 80s, competition in hardware manufacturers was an engineering problem, not a legal one. Anybody could go out and buy the same parts direct from the manufacturer as anyone else and completely copy the design as long as they could put it together themselves. IBM published schematics of each and every part and let hundreds of companies completely steal the design (until the PS/2, at least). Now it's all about exclusivity agreements, patent suits, and fucking the consumer in the ass.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;47016356]It's strange to think that in the 80s, competition in hardware manufacturers was an engineering problem, not a legal one. Anybody could go out and buy the same parts direct from the manufacturer as anyone else and completely copy the design as long as they could put it together themselves. IBM published schematics of each and every part and let hundreds of companies completely steal the design (until the PS/2, at least). Now it's all about exclusivity agreements, patent suits, and fucking the consumer in the ass.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with legality in this one, the supplier was bought-out by Apple and there was no secondary option at the time. It's an availability problem in this one. Not anyone's fault really, Apple was just faster.

Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] why use something as gimmicky as a fingerprint scanner when you can use multiple types of locks.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;47016417]why use something as gimmicky as a fingerprint scanner when you can use multiple types of locks.[/QUOTE] why use those gimmicky lock screens such as face recognition when you can quickly unlock your phone by hovering your thumb over the home button.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] I got an iPhone 5s and you have no idea how convenient touchID is takes a second to get into the phone and a second to confirm updates and purchases in the appstore, it's amazing

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47016669]I got an iPhone 5s and you have no idea how convenient touchID is takes a second to get into the phone and a second to confirm updates and purchases in the appstore, it's amazing[/QUOTE] It's not a gimmick because it's actually pretty good. And the blame doesn't rest with Apple, the blame rests with the patent system. Blaming Apple for this is naive and to be quite frank, ridiculously immature because Google also play the patent game, along with Samsung and any other large company.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] Oh, I don't know...Maybe financial information, personal contacts, medical information, mayyybe confidential business information..You know, plenty of shit one would rather other people not see.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] nudes

I'd love a fingerprint scanner on my phone just to erase the need for locks or people catching onto my password. I have a fear of friends stumbling upon stuff or my partner spying through my shit.

Personally I wouldn't use it anyway. I feel like it's great for Apple because it's giant button actually has a reason for being giant.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] oh you know, just your whole fucking life, that kind of important shit.

Probably explains the big dimple on my Moto X too, especially how easy my thumb fell into it before I bought a case for the phone.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;47016356]It's strange to think that in the 80s, competition in hardware manufacturers was an engineering problem, not a legal one. Anybody could go out and buy the same parts direct from the manufacturer as anyone else and completely copy the design as long as they could put it together themselves. IBM published schematics of each and every part and let hundreds of companies completely steal the design (until the PS/2, at least). Now it's all about exclusivity agreements, patent suits, and fucking the consumer in the ass.[/QUOTE] So much of the computer revolution in the 80's came out of Taiwan. IBM did supply the base specifications and MS-DOS was cheap to license along with CP/M but between each vendor there was rampant espionage in a fight to make "the best hardware for the cheapest". EVERYONE cloned Microsoft's Z80 softcard and IBM's copyrighted BIOS. Believe me, there were lawsuits all around as the market was flooded with shit. It was just about impossible to stamp all the clone vendors out. Even near the end IBM was so annoyed at one company who made a machine that supported MicroChannel and ISA (by using chips pulled out of their machines) that they sued them so hard that there's virtually no mention of them in the internet or even old usenet posts. They went completely word of mouth short of five minutes on The Computer Chronicles. Also, money.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;47016356]It's strange to think that in the 80s, competition in hardware manufacturers was an engineering problem, not a legal one. Anybody could go out and buy the same parts direct from the manufacturer as anyone else and completely copy the design as long as they could put it together themselves. IBM published schematics of each and every part and let hundreds of companies completely steal the design (until the PS/2, at least). Now it's all about exclusivity agreements, patent suits, and fucking the consumer in the ass.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Tasm;47016738]It's not a gimmick because it's actually pretty good. And the blame doesn't rest with Apple, the blame rests with the patent system. Blaming Apple for this is naive and to be quite frank, ridiculously immature because Google also play the patent game, along with Samsung and any other large company.[/QUOTE] Anyone blaming this on the patent system and pining for the good ol' days of blatant copyright theft didn't read the article. It has nothing to do with copyright. It has everything to do with Apple buying Authentec, the only industry firm equipped for mass production of effective fingerprint-scanning mobile components, and none of the other manufacturers being able to compete. This [B]is[/B] an engineering problem, not a legal one. Tech companies buying manufacturers to secure exclusive rights to manufacture of a successful product is not a new thing nor a product of the American patent system.

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Apple Pay through smart watch master race [editline]today[/editline] haha just kidding i'm canadian and can afford neither :(

[QUOTE=pentium;47017639]So much of the computer revolution in the 80's came out of Taiwan. IBM did supply the base specifications and MS-DOS was cheap to license along with CP/M but between each vendor there was rampant espionage in a fight to make "the best hardware for the cheapest". EVERYONE cloned Microsoft's Z80 softcard and IBM's copyrighted BIOS. Believe me, there were lawsuits all around as the market was flooded with shit. It was just about impossible to stamp all the clone vendors out. Even near the end IBM was so annoyed at one company who made a machine that supported MicroChannel and ISA (by using chips pulled out of their machines) that they sued them so hard that there's virtually no mention of them in the internet or even old usenet posts. They went completely word of mouth short of five minutes on The Computer Chronicles. Also, money.[/QUOTE] Taiwan did the manufacturing but Asian firms were still slow to capture American market share. The CC episode on Japanese computers applied to the entirety of Asia at the time, and Japan was still in the best position to jump the pond. The difference between then and now is that those clone companies [i]did[/i] exist, pushing the big players to compete. They could get better performance than the reference PCs, and although the vast majority of clone makers have long since crashed, they served an important purpose in solidifying the architectures that we see today and spurring the market to innovate. When's the last time you heard of a tiny computer builder kicking Dell or HP in the ass? [QUOTE=catbarf;47017688]Anyone blaming this on the patent system and pining for the good ol' days of blatant copyright theft didn't read the article. It has nothing to do with copyright. It has everything to do with Apple buying Authentec, the only industry firm equipped for mass production of effective fingerprint-scanning mobile components, and none of the other manufacturers being able to compete. This [B]is[/B] an engineering problem, not a legal one. Tech companies buying manufacturers to secure exclusive rights to manufacture of a successful product is not a new thing nor a product of the American patent system.[/QUOTE] I never said this was a copyright issue. You didn't see IBM buying up chipmakers back then for exclusivity, though. That still makes it a legal issue. Apple simply bought the company to keep them from selling competitive parts to other manufacturers, bending the consumer over their desk in the process.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] Since I switched over from an android phone, I literally have had the best experience. I can't even tell you how much I prefer the iphone now. Maybe there's some things I miss, but actually having a working phone 24/7 that launches apps instantaneously and replies to text messages as it should, doesn't reboot randomly and has pretty good battery life was reason enough for me to try out an iPhone, and it's been well worth it. Like, I don't even get pissed at my phone anymore. It's like life without any hiccups.

aerial communication is insecure so you shouldn't have banking details and such on your phone. other than that I can't think of anything you might need to hide on your cell phone. maybe if you're dealing drugs or something but people use burners for that physical security is a better policy anyway, keep your phone on your person at all times and you won't even need a lock code I set up the fingerprint reader on my galaxy s5 but don't use it, it's just so much easier to draw a pattern or just leave security off than it is to awkwardly swype a finger over the sensor

Getting enough supplies for hardware projects, is a massive pain in the ass. I remember when one guy did a really small measurement device project and he emptied out most of the world's supply of one specific type of connector. He had to buy them from like 30 different sources, in order to get enough. And he was only doing a few thousand units. iPhones are not sold in thousands of units, they're sold at the very least in tens of thousands of units.

[QUOTE=hydrated;47018545]aerial communication is insecure so you shouldn't have banking details and such on your phone. other than that I can't think of anything you might need to hide on your cell phone. maybe if you're dealing drugs or something but people use burners for that physical security is a better policy anyway, keep your phone on your person at all times and you won't even need a lock code I set up the fingerprint reader on my galaxy s5 but don't use it, it's just so much easier to draw a pattern or just leave security off than it is to awkwardly swype a finger over the sensor[/QUOTE] Maybe some people need it to stop friends from fucking with your phone. Physical security is one thing, having no lock on your phone is just careless. (And even has legal implications) Also I don't know how US laws are, but in CH, law enforcement are freely allowed to inspect your phone contents in a routine inspection on the street if it's unlocked, whereas if it has a PW (or similiar) protected lockscreen, then they need a court order to gain access to it. Also please don't come with the whole "If you have nothing to hide...." bullshit argument.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;47018759]Maybe some people need it to stop friends from fucking with your phone. Physical security is one thing, having no lock on your phone is just careless. (And even has legal implications) Also I don't know how US laws are, but in CH, law enforcement are freely allowed to inspect your phone contents in a routine inspection on the street if it's unlocked, whereas if it has a PW (or similiar) protected lockscreen, then they need a court order to gain access to it. Also please don't come with the whole "If you have nothing to hide...." bullshit argument.[/QUOTE] afaik its "something you have" = open it up "something you know" = get a warrant m8

[QUOTE=kaukassus;47018759] Physical security is one thing, having no lock on your phone is just careless. (And even has legal implications) [/QUOTE] Can only talk about US here, but PWs have these really insane legal implications. I would use a fingerprint scanner if it was easier, but technically the courts can force you to unlock your phone, since the "key" is a physical object they can "seize". Whereas if you only keep the password remembered in your head, you're protected by the 5th amendment. There's all sorts of crazy shit relating to what the government can order you to unlock, if you wanted maximum data protection you'd use some rubberhose OTFE filesystem and not write the passwords down.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] Like... everything? I don't know about you but I don't want somebody getting my phone and having access to all the photos of my friends and family, all the personal notes I may have made about doctor's visits and whatnot, beating my high score on Flappy Bird etc, etc. It's not nuclear launch codes or anything but it's personal stuff that is for me.

[QUOTE=Unreliable;47018475]Since I switched over from an android phone, I literally have had the best experience. I can't even tell you how much I prefer the iphone now. Maybe there's some things I miss, but actually having a working phone 24/7 that launches apps instantaneously and replies to text messages as it should, doesn't reboot randomly and has pretty good battery life was reason enough for me to try out an iPhone, and it's been well worth it. Like, I don't even get pissed at my phone anymore. It's like life without any hiccups.[/QUOTE] What the hell did you do to your android if it crahsed a ton and wouldnt work. Unless you got a megacheap phone.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47016410]Who the fuck needs a finger print scanner on their phone anyway. The fuck is so important on your phone that you need to hide?[/QUOTE] Do you use a password on your phone? Fingerprint scanning is just the same thing but more convenient.