[video=youtube;7m4qz0CQgfk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m4qz0CQgfk[/video]
This is... pretty shocking. I mean, it's pretty scary that police offers can't really defend themselves agains these sort of people.
[editline]t[/editline]: Shit, wrong section. Was meant for the Videos-section.
Are they not allowed to carry a knife themselves?
what the, how do they even defend themselves aside from a baton?
[QUOTE=3picFail;48325077]Are they not allowed to carry a knife themselves?[/QUOTE]
I doubt so, I think they can only use the baton but this video definitely shows that it's very hard to defend yourself with a baton against someone with a knife like this.
I'd be very afraid to be an officer of the law in the UK. I would not feel safe performing my duties without a firearm. One or both of these officers could've been killed, as spray is useless against certain people who are in adrenaline rushes for example.
The comments are cancerous. Jesus.
Had this been the USA, he'd be dead in a second after he refused to comply.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48325150]Had this been the USA, he'd be dead in a second after he refused to comply.[/QUOTE]
Had the officers in the video been less lucky they COULD have been dead just as quickly.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;48325132]I doubt so, I think they can only use the baton but this video definitely shows that it's very hard to defend yourself with a baton against someone with a knife like this.[/QUOTE]
Its impressive that they managed to take control of the situation like they did, especially with just batons and what looked like mace. It just seems like if someone else pulls a knife and you also bring out your knife, the attacker might think twice before lunging in due to the fact that if they can reach you, you can also reach them. In reality the best defense is to run, but obviously a police officer cant do that.
This is why officers here in the US have a minimum distance to keep from armed suspects at all times, you have to assume that since they have a weapon they will attempt to use it, and keep enough distance to be able to react in time to save yourself.
That being said, that was some very impressive work on the part of the officers here, they split up to watch the flanks and kited around him to avoid being struck, they were in complete control of the situation.
[QUOTE=3picFail;48325207]Its impressive that they managed to take control of the situation like they did, especially with just batons and what looked like mace. It just seems like if someone else pulls a knife and you also bring out your knife, the attacker might think twice before lunging in due to the fact that if they can reach you, you can also reach them. In reality the best defense is to run, but obviously a police officer cant do that.[/QUOTE]
they got lucky, the attacker didn't want to do anything.
[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;48325094]what the, how do they even defend themselves aside from a baton?[/QUOTE]
Most British police officers are equipped with tasers now, if they've had the training for it.
Police officers should not be unequipped like that. If there was a Sovereign Citizen counterpart for the Brits who's fine with shooting cops for "unlawfully" pulling them over, how could they protect themselves?
does the 21-feet rule apply outside of North American police?
Dumb question but are officers in the UK not allowed to carry tasers?
[QUOTE=Paincake;48326191]Dumb question but are officers in the UK not allowed to carry tasers?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The-Happy-Emo;48326034]Most British police officers are equipped with tasers now, if they've had the training for it.[/QUOTE]
[editline]30th July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;48326123]Police officers should not be unequipped like that. If there was a Sovereign Citizen counterpart for the Brits who's fine with shooting cops for "unlawfully" pulling them over, how could they protect themselves?[/QUOTE]
Does this really happen in the UK though? Not saying wether police officers should or should not be unequipped like that, just asking if it's ever happened.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48326214][editline]30th July 2015[/editline]
Does this really happen in the UK though? Not saying wether police officers should or should not be unequipped like that, just asking if it's ever happened.[/QUOTE]
Don't know, but why wait until it happens when we can possibly prevent it?
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;48326268]Don't know, but why wait until it happens when we can possibly prevent it?[/QUOTE]
I don't see the harm in police carrying pistols, but couldn't this reasoning be used to justify even further safety(?) measures? Where would you draw the line and why?
The likelihood of someone having a gun is so low that most officers don't need to carry firearms, they carry them in airports and other high security spaces but your normal officer won't have one.
If someone does have a gun they'll call in armed officers instead of going after them.
Glad it was resolved without the officers getting hurt.
I see a few comments about how the police over here are not well equipped enough, and to a degree I agree with that. Thankfully most are now able to carry tazers along side mace/batons and there are few circumstances in which officers patrol alone or respond to call-outs alone.
It doesn't sound like much, but we have very few fatalities (on either side) when compared to other countries, even taking in to consideration population numbers.
[QUOTE=Nifae;48325133]I'd be very afraid to be an officer of the law in the UK. I would not feel safe performing my duties without a firearm. One or both of these officers could've been killed, as spray is useless against certain people who are in adrenaline rushes for example.[/QUOTE]
I'm sad to hear that you'd need a firearm to feel safe, but that goes to show just how different the UK and US are in regards to criminal activity. Hell, from what I remember only about 20%~ said that they wanted to wield firearms on duty.
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If you're interested, look up the stats on how many fatalities the UK police have suffered in the last few years, and how many fatalities they've caused. Those numbers would be much higher if all officers were armed with firearms simply because criminals would end up playing catchup and being much more immediately aggressive.
Most police here have a stab-proof vest along with a taser. I'm guessing these two weren't expecting him to have a knife or weren't informed he had one.
This ought to be a good example that guns aren't an absolute necessity for police though. I mean this shit happens often here and this is usually always the outcome.
To all the Americans saying cops need guns, in UK criminal and police deaths are much lower than in US due to no guns thing.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48326834]To all the Americans saying cops need guns, in UK criminal and police deaths are much lower than in US due to no guns thing.[/QUOTE]
In the US people have guns, thus cops need guns. In the UK not so much. When the circumstances of the problem change the solution must be adapted accordingly.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48327780]In the US people have guns, thus cops need guns. In the UK not so much. When the circumstances of the problem change the solution must be adapted accordingly.[/QUOTE]
This. If that guy had a gun and had the same intentions of attacking the cops there'd be two dead cops if all they had was a couple batons.
[QUOTE=Higginz511;48327925]This. If that guy had a gun and had the same intentions of attacking the cops there'd be two dead cops if all they had was a couple batons.[/QUOTE]
If they were alerted that he had a gun then it would be armed response.
[QUOTE=spekter;48327954]If they were alerted that he had a gun then it would be armed response.[/QUOTE]
and how long would it take for armed police to arrive, and then look for him as most likely they would run/hide.
They handled the situation outstandingly.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48326834]To all the Americans saying cops need guns, in UK criminal and police deaths are much lower than in US due to no guns thing.[/QUOTE]
the line of duty death rate adjusted for overall criminal/police interaction is so incredibly minuscule in the united states that I don't know how you can even figure that
sorry for the difference in years, this is just what I found in 20 seconds of google searching. I'm not about to spend 40 minutes writing a report for you.
[url]https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013[/url]
[B]Line of Duty Deaths: 119[/B]
9/11 related illness: 11
Aircraft accident: 1
Automobile accident: 25
Boating accident: 1
Bomb: 1
Drowned: 2
Duty related illness: 3
Electrocuted: 1
Fall: 4
Fire: 1
Gunfire: 31
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 10
Motorcycle accident: 5
Stabbed: 2
Struck by vehicle: 8
Training accident: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 5
(this figure includes the Army Criminal Investigation Division, DOJ, and K9)
out of the bunch, only 39 were intentional deaths. In 2011, there were (estimated) [url=https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/persons-arrested/persons-arrested}12,408,899 arrests. [/url]
that means 0.000003% of arrests (not overall encounters, justs arrests) ended in an officer's death
do you realize how tiny 0.000003% is?
the percentage of people killed by police per year is equally tiny. If the "police kill a thousand americans a year" thing is to be believed, that means 0.00008% of would-be arrests end in death
I have nothing but respect for Bobbies.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48326834]To all the Americans saying cops need guns, in UK criminal and police deaths are much lower than in US due to no guns thing.[/QUOTE]
post hoc ergo propter hoc
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