[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18529471[/url]
[quote=BBC News][B]Education Secretary Michael Gove plans to scrap GSCEs for England and return to O-Level-style exams.[/B]
Sources told the BBC that Mr Gove believes the exams "have gone beyond the point of rescue".
The changes will be brought in for pupils from autumn next year but will not affect students starting GCSE courses this autumn.
Under the changes, less-academic pupils will sit a different exam, like the old CSE.
The details are in a leaked document [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162369/Return-O-Level-Gove-shake-biggest-revolution-education-30-years.html]seen by the Daily Mail,[/url] and sources say they are correct.
As control of education in the UK is devolved, the plans are for England only. It will be for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to decide whether to follow suit.
A spokesman for the Department for Education said: "We do not comment on leaks."[/quote]
"we do not comment on leaks" lol wtf if you're going to do it you may as well talk about it regardless of its press release date, sometimes the government over here seems like its made up of stubborn kids rather than people who take the public's concern seriously.
and maybe if exam boards concentrated less on results that mean nothing more than to get kids into college/sixth form which dont apply in the real world, and on actual [i]education[/i], there wouldnt have to be so many changes every 5 years
After reading this knowing my last GCSE exam is on Monday I am not a happy person right now...
[QUOTE=DrarrkS52;36417226]After reading this knowing my last GCSE exam is on Monday I am not a happy person right now...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The changes will be brought in for pupils from autumn next year but will not affect students starting GCSE courses this autumn.[/QUOTE]
I assume this wont affect you anyways.
[QUOTE=Barlow;36417255]I assume this wont affect you anyways.[/QUOTE]
I know, I just hate our school system so damn much. Its actually pathetic.
Not as good as when I was in year 9, woke up one morning and the govt had announced SATS were scrapped with immediate effect so we had no exams that year :dance:
[QUOTE=smurfy;36417282]Not as good as when I was in year 9, woke up one morning and the govt had announced SATS were scrapped with immediate effect so we had no exams that year :dance:[/QUOTE]
That happened to me in year 9 as well :v:
[QUOTE=DrarrkS52;36417226]After reading this knowing my last GCSE exam is on Monday I am not a happy person right now...[/QUOTE]
GCSEs don't count for anything in the real world, they just let you into a 6th form/college where you can get A levels or equivalent to get into Uni
[editline]21st June 2012[/editline]
So my point is don't worry
[QUOTE=Jackald;36417729]I was the last year to do SATs, and the the 3rd to last year to do GCSEs.
My year fucking sucks.[/QUOTE]
What year does that make you? I just finished 13 and that sucked, although it was a bit more specific. The year after I left my primary school they got chickens and refurbished the playground with climbing frames and stuff, after we finished year 8 they decided it would be a good idea to do a trip for all year 8s from now which involves go-karting and stuff (which I've still never done), on our "brain day" in year 10 (which was a sort of fun day where people came in from out of school and taught us interesting stuff) the weather forecast was for rain, so it was cancelled. It didn't rain and they made it up to us with a speaker coming in and showing us how to put condoms on a dildo. Worst of all is probably how we're the first year to be affected by the increase in university prices, although I'm still really annoyed about the chickens.
So my parents won't be able to say, "back in my day," any more. Huh.
[QUOTE=Bobie;36417223]"we do not comment on leaks" lol wtf if you're going to do it you may as well talk about it regardless of its press release date, sometimes the government over here seems like its made up of stubborn kids rather than people who take the public's concern seriously.
and maybe if exam boards concentrated less on results that mean nothing more than to get kids into college/sixth form which dont apply in the real world, and on actual [i]education[/i], there wouldnt have to be so many changes every 5 years[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that exams are also an assessment of the school and teachers.
I'm doing A level Sociology and we just finished studying why the education system is shit :v:
I hate the A-Level system more.
It used to be study a subject overall for 2 years, then sit an exam.
Now it's an exam each year, and one on each module, then you work out the average of your scores out of how ever many marks, then you turn the average score into a grade.
Why overcomplicate it?
A lot don't realise how truly shit GCSE and A-Level are comparing to continental counterparts. For a long time and getting worse but kept quiet.
yeah our education is shit, i got marked down for hand coding my website in IT instead of using frontpage for the reason "it wasn't as professional"
[QUOTE=parket;36419303]yeah our education is shit, i got marked down for hand coding my website in IT instead of using frontpage for the reason "it wasn't as professional"[/QUOTE]
The IT GCSE I did only taught you how to use Office.
IT != knowing how to use Office, this isn't 1995.
[QUOTE=ConTron123;36419349]The IT GCSE I did only taught you how to use Office.
IT != knowing how to use Office, this isn't 1995.[/QUOTE]
My high school computer toolbox class started off the first quarter with opening and saving files :smith:
And you think your years suck? Thanks to NCLB ramp ups, our year is expected to get 100% proficient in everything when we take exams in 2015. Years before us only have to get like 90% :c
[QUOTE=parket;36419303]yeah our education is shit, i got marked down for hand coding my website in IT instead of using frontpage for the reason "it wasn't as professional"[/QUOTE]
I'm going to guess that the unit was web design, knowledge of HTML wasn't required at all and you got marked down for trying to be a smartass.
[QUOTE=ConTron123;36419349]The IT GCSE I did only taught you how to use Office.
IT != knowing how to use Office, this isn't 1995.[/QUOTE]
IT is just exactly knowing how to use Office and similiar things. Computing is the term given to real subjects. It's your own fault if you picked IT.
[QUOTE=Trumple;36417712]GCSEs don't count for anything in the real world, they just let you into a 6th form/college where you can get A levels or equivalent to get into Uni
[editline]21st June 2012[/editline]
So my point is don't worry[/QUOTE]
The only education that really seems to count these days is at degree level - but even then it's mainly experience that is important these days.
I'm quite for something that actually makes the GCSEs worthwhile, however the :tinfoil: part of me wonders if this is just a way to help separate the classes which seems to be the Tori Governments plan. I can see how CSE's will probably not have an easy route to uni, so if it is decided you have to take CSE's and not O levels then your chances for uni are probably scuppered.
I'm guessing that if someone drops out for a few years with only GCSEs, it'll be more difficult for them to study again on the same level as someone who has Olevels.
The education system is a joke.
[QUOTE=Trumple;36417712]GCSEs don't count for anything in the real world, they just let you into a 6th form/college where you can get A levels or equivalent to get into Uni
[editline]21st June 2012[/editline]
So my point is don't worry[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, GCSE's do count. I'm currently applying for jobs with my degree, and the majority of graduate jobs go by your entire educational record, so you could have a 1st degree, but if you didn't get many UCAS points or shit GCSE's they will drop you for someone who did. Shows you are a consistently high achiever.
What is your degree, and from where? I think that could make a big difference.
They tried something similar here in germany, except they were exams to compare the overall education level in the whole state.
Long story short: Somebody leaked the exams in the second year, and then they were scrapped forever.
I hate my schools system, for coursework in history we had to do it about architecture then the next year gets to do it about communist russia. Then they get rid of IT and CIDA for computer science. Bull crap.
What I don't understand, is why my school made me do all of these different modules in maths for around 3 years, (out of which I got nothing because I am bad at maths) and then made me do a terminal exam from which I got the C grade I wanted. If I had done that terminal exam in year 9 I probably would have gotten the same result, and then could have gone on to do the higher terminal paper. I just don't understand.
It really fucking annoys me that they say, GCSE's are too easy, fuck them, I work hard to get them and these people have the nerve to call them easy.
To be honest, unless there's a radical shift in understanding on the government's part, these new exams will still be abstract memorisation and regurgitation. Being shown an equation and then asked to solve X a hundred times very nearly killed my interest in mathematics, and certainly stunted any ability I have at it, which is not very handy given my current line of study. Same problem with English; Shakespeare and Dickens may well be the epitome of literature, but when you're 14/15/16 it's, dull, impenetrable crap, and looking at my facebook feeds, it hasn't helped any of my peers. We should have been studying stuff like Pratchett and Asimov, and crafting our own stories.
[QUOTE=The mouse;36422369]It really fucking annoys me that they say, GCSE's are too easy, fuck them, I work hard to get them and these people have the nerve to call them easy.[/QUOTE]
It's easier in the sense that we take them in modules, and we get retakes (I've only done 1 GCSE retake personally but that was back in Year 9) but I think the content is harder. The modular thing makes it easier because as an example, I only require to get a B in my final Physics exam (P3) to get an overall A* in the whole subject - most likely a similar situation for a few other subjects for me.
[QUOTE=The mouse;36422369]It really fucking annoys me that they say, GCSE's are too easy, fuck them, I work hard to get them and these people have the nerve to call them easy.[/QUOTE]
GCSE's are incredibly easy though, mate.
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