I wonder if they can run the neural network backwards like Deep Dream to highlight the 'offensive' parts.
We just need nanomachine augmentation and we are literally living in Deus Ex.
Oof, last 6 or 7 minutes hit waaaaay too close to home.
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's like he said, they are keeping this shit in the dark, not telling why videos are flagged and such because they don't want people to realize their videos are being flagged based on an experimental AI that barely works right, if they started saying what parts of videos get flagged and why, people would realize how half-assed the AI is and bitch at them even harder for it, for using broken software to dictate such a serious thing.
It's a knee-jerk reaction to the mass loss of advertisers that they're afraid to elaborate on because THEY KNOW it will be even worse for them if they do, it's why the monetization guidelines are so much more restrictive too, because hey, if the AI is just gonna flag a ton of shit let's make guidelines that will hopefully be in line with what the AI flags.
It's pretty much like I've said, YouTube goes where the AdRev is. If people want to stop YouTube from doing dumb shit like this, you should be getting YT Red, since then Google isn't beholden to its AdRev partners.
But that's not going to happen on a large enough scale, so Ross is probably right on where YouTube is going long-term.
youtube is dead. I give it 10 years before they just stop giving people money altogether
Freeman's mind voice makes it hard to take seriously :v:
Love to you Ross
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;52719928]he looks really thin[/QUOTE]
I think he said he was living mostly off of small cans of beans ever since he moved to Poland, so at the very least he's been keeping his weight down. And Ross has never been all that big to begin with.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52720142]I think he said he was living mostly off of small cans of beans ever since he moved to Poland, so at the very least he's been keeping his weight down. And Ross has never been all that big to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Woah he moved to Poland??? You didn't just typo Portland, did you?
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;52720209]Woah he moved to Poland??? You didn't just typo Portland, did you?[/QUOTE]
Nope, been a while ago. Since even before the fundraiser to help him finish Freeman's Mind.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52720142]I think he said he was living mostly off of small cans of beans ever since he moved to Poland, so at the very least he's been keeping his weight down. And Ross has never been all that big to begin with.[/QUOTE]
Wait, why did he move to Poland
[QUOTE=Trekintosh;52720209]Woah he moved to Poland??? You didn't just typo Portland, did you?[/QUOTE]
He even got married there so they can't kick him out now!
That HSBC story he mentioned is crazy, can't believe I hadn't heard it sooner.
I try not to get a sincere burning rage whenever I see suits, but the more and more I hear scumming and downright evil stories about big businesses, I just add to my unerlying hatred of basically everything to do with captialism in practice. Like, seriously just thinking of the word 'suit' brings to mind all sorts of shit.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52720256]Wait, why did he move to Poland[/QUOTE]
He met a girl who lives in Poland, it was cheaper to live in Poland, so he moved to live with her, and is going to/has married her.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52720053]It's pretty much like I've said, YouTube goes where the AdRev is. If people want to stop YouTube from doing dumb shit like this, you should be getting YT Red, since then Google isn't beholden to its AdRev partners.
But that's not going to happen on a large enough scale, so Ross is probably right on where YouTube is going long-term.[/QUOTE]
why should i reward a company for bad business practices by becoming a literal subscriber
instead, i'll keep blocking every last ad until a viable alternative to the site comes along
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52720369]why should i reward a company for bad business practices by becoming a literal subscriber
instead, i'll keep blocking every last ad until a viable alternative to the site comes along[/QUOTE]
Have fun when that viable alternative runs into the exact same problems that led youtube to be so bad.
Anyways I'm glad to see that you still think YouTube is worth your time using.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52720369]why should i reward a company for bad business practices by becoming a literal subscriber
instead, i'll keep blocking every last ad until a viable alternative to the site comes along[/QUOTE]
You can either give them money that they can provide to their creators without having to appeal to marketers; or you can use their service and block ads, and become a person they couldn't care less about. The latter will result in YouTube pushing more and more people that aren't Disney, P&G, Honda, etc, marketable off of their platform, and recommending movies and other trash on their front page.
You can also stop using YouTube and got to a competitor. I'm just saying your choices on some level effect how YouTube carries out its business, by using adblock you're just being a leach that YouTube wants to get rid of - so don't be surprised or upset when they do the shit they've been doing.
[editline]26th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52720452]Have fun when that viable alternative runs into the exact same problems that led youtube to be so bad.
Anyways I'm glad to see that you still think YouTube is worth your time using.[/QUOTE]
YouTube literally costs Google money, and people wonder why they've been moving push non-marketable content off their website :thinking:.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52720452]Have fun when that viable alternative runs into the exact same problems that led youtube to be so bad.
Anyways I'm glad to see that you still think YouTube is worth your time using.[/QUOTE]
What is patreon/ donating directly to content creators?
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52720477]What is patreon/ donating directly to content creators?[/QUOTE]
Websites, especially ones that use as much bandwidth and disk space as YouTube does, aren't cheap to run.
[editline]26th September 2017[/editline]
Really, YouTube should've hopped on the tip-jar and subscription model way earlier, they might've avoided the shitfit that is the Adpocalypse and adblock leaches.
On the plus-side I'm 80% sure the next game dungeon is going to be about the game I suggested to him, I can't wait!
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52720452]Have fun when that viable alternative runs into the exact same problems that led youtube to be so bad.
Anyways I'm glad to see that you still think YouTube is worth your time using.[/QUOTE]
That's just playing guessing games. Imagine running your business differently!
It's only worth using because it hosts all the content and they don't prevent ad-blockers from accessing their content. If they made it difficult to use by forcing ads, I'd drop the site. If a competitor had enough good content, I'd drop YT even quicker.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52720454]You can also stop using YouTube and got to a competitor. I'm just saying your choices on some level effect how YouTube carries out its business, by using adblock you're just being a leach that YouTube wants to get rid of - so don't be surprised or upset when they do the shit they've been doing.[/QUOTE]
Really, what competitors? I wish I knew of any.
Making it less and less profitable encourages someone to fill the gap in the market since they won't address the problem themselves. Since I don't make money from YT, I can afford to exploit their service until that time comes and directly contribute to their losses to help it come quicker. If anything I'd say in an individual way I'm encouraging change far better than literally subscribing to a company that shits on its former backbone.
The best thing to do in addition to this would be support my favorite channels through Patreon, but I can't afford that for every last channel. If it were possible to scale up that support so my money gets divided amongst the people I enjoy the most, that'd be perfect for me and I imagine most everyone. This would also be one great way to make a competing service.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52720537]
It's only worth using because it hosts all the content and they don't prevent ad-blockers from accessing their content. If they made it difficult to use by forcing ads, I'd drop the site. If a competitor had enough good content, I'd drop YT even quicker.
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Chicken and egg scenario.
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Really, what competitors? I wish I knew of any.
[/QUOTE]
There is Vid.me, but pretty much my point is that YT operates at a loss, and is only propped up by Google, so good fucking luck finding anyone able to bankroll a service guaranteed to lose money.
[QUOTE]
Making it less and less profitable encourages someone to fill the gap in the market since they won't address the problem themselves. Since I don't make money from YT, I can afford to exploit their service until that time comes and directly contribute to their losses to help it come quicker. If anything I'd say in an individual way I'm encouraging change far better than literally subscribing to a company that shits on its former backbone.[/QUOTE]
Yes, adblock leaches are inspiring changes on the platform, just take a look at how youtube recommends videos now, and prioritizes watch time over quality content. They're catering to people other than you now - then you get upset at the change you've caused :huh:.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52720537]
The best thing to do in addition to this would be support my favorite channels through Patreon, but I can't afford that for every last channel. If it were possible to scale up that support so my money gets divided amongst the people I enjoy the most, that'd be perfect for me and I imagine most everyone. This would also be one great way to make a competing service.[/QUOTE]
I think there's a service that does this. It's called [URL="https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/686912547182800896"]YouTube Red[/URL].
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52720537]That's just playing guessing games. Imagine running your business differently!
It's only worth using because it hosts all the content and they don't prevent ad-blockers from accessing their content. If they made it difficult to use by forcing ads, I'd drop the site. If a competitor had enough good content, I'd drop YT even quicker.
[/QUOTE]
Alright smart guy. How do you deal with copyright enforcement, and advertisers angry about where their ads are placed.
YT runs at a loss too, there's no guarantee that if say, vimeo exploded into youtube's place they wouldn't go into the red and die without a large company like alphabet backing them.
[quote]Really, what competitors? I wish I knew of any.[/quote]
yeah. it's a nice little cycle of people getting mad at youtube but aren't willing to use anything else. Vimeo, dailymotion, etc.. Used to be blip too but that got shut down.
There's also individual content hosting.
[quote]If it were possible to scale up that support so my money gets divided amongst the people I enjoy the most, that'd be perfect for me and I imagine most everyone. This would also be one great way to make a competing service. [/quote]
i wonder what youtube red does.
YouTube red is far more ethical than advertisements, that's the reason to pay for it. Consumers supporting practices, good or bad, sends signals to companies.
The reason everyone moved to AdBlock was because youtube reached the height of scummy, infuriating ad placement on every fucking video. 4 ads in a thirty minute video? Fuck off. Two minute unskippable Ford truck ads at the start of a 7 minute video? Fuck. Off.
If YouTube red actually puts out something more interesting than some Vsauce episodes maybe I will check it out, but again I feel like that is hastening the eventual new reality where you're paying for Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Youtube Red, Disney Media, ect. No one wants that either.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52720603]The reason everyone moved to AdBlock was because youtube reached the height of scummy, infuriating ad placement on every fucking video. [B]4 ads in a thirty minute video? Fuck off. Two minute unskippable Ford truck ads at the start of a 7 minute video? Fuck. Off.[/B][/QUOTE]
... That's not YouTube's fault?
YouTubers have some control over their ads, if there's unskippable ads, it's their fault. Quite a few long videos for me also only have had one ad at the start, it completely depends.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;52720575]Yes, adblock leaches are inspiring changes on the platform, just take a look at how youtube recommends videos now, and prioritizes watch time over quality content. They're catering to people other than you now - then you get upset at the change you've caused :huh:.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really upset that they changed, I just don't agree with the business practices. It's only a cost on the creators part. My not supporting the site financially is just all that I can reasonably do to not agree with their practices.
I'm not gonna get Red lol. These algorithm problems started way before Red and were not due to people like me. I used to watch ads for people I liked. But it was advertisers who rocked the boat and ruined that for everyone. Now I can't know who that money is going to, and Red still doesn't address core problems that affect creators getting found. There's just no reason to support a shitty service that I can use freely without problem.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;52720638]I'm not really upset that they changed, I just don't agree with the business practices. It's only a cost on the creators part. My not supporting the site financially is just all that I can reasonably do to not agree with their practices.
I'm not gonna get Red lol. These algorithm problems started way before Red and were not due to people like me. I used to watch ads for people I liked. But it was advertisers who rocked the boat and ruined that for everyone. Now I can't know who that money is going to, and Red still doesn't address core problems that affect creators getting found. There's just no reason to support a shitty service that I can use freely without problem.[/QUOTE]
What about the algorithm?
"Creators getting found" ??? If you make video content, YouTube is pretty much the place that gets people started and found. The promotion algorithm itself has always had issues that they've tried to rectify over and over, introducing new ones. It's not an easy thing.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52720581]Alright smart guy. How do you deal with copyright enforcement, and advertisers angry about where their ads are placed.
YT runs at a loss too, there's no guarantee that if say, vimeo exploded into youtube's place they wouldn't go into the red and die without a large company like alphabet backing them.
yeah. it's a nice little cycle of people getting mad at youtube but aren't willing to use anything else. Vimeo, dailymotion, etc.. Used to be blip too but that got shut down.
There's also individual content hosting.
i wonder what youtube red does.
YouTube red is far more ethical than advertisements, that's the reason to pay for it. Consumers supporting practices, good or bad, sends signals to companies.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for starting this off by being condescending.
Anyways, I don't have much to respond to this that I didn't already say to glitch, though that's also not to say a good service like YT can't be profitable, but boy is it lucrative territory if you can pull it off. There's plenty of things you could do differently as a service.
I wish people were willing to use other services, but I can't do much about that. It's all on the creators to stop bitching and move or create a new platform, and I predict that's coming soon.
Red sucks and just tells them they're doing the right thing.
[editline]26th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52720649]It's not an easy thing.[/QUOTE]
It's not, but it also has been shown to hide perfectly good content regularly and possibly has blacklists.
This is where the company needs to be transparent and put in some personal effort rather than pretend nothing is wrong.
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