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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34307795[/url]
[quote]Greece's conservative New Democracy party has admitted defeat to Alexis Tsipras's left-wing Syriza in the nation's fifth election in six years.
The concession came as Syriza was given a lead of 35% to New Democracy's 28%, with 21% of votes counted, interior ministry data showed.
This would not give Syriza an absolute majority, and the party would need partners to form a government.
The snap election was called after Syriza lost its majority in August.[/quote]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/20/greek-general-election-results-alexis-tsipras-syriza-meimarakis-new-democracy-live#block-55fef0ade4b00e7fa1597f1b[/url]
[quote]The latest seat projections (see here) indicate that Alexis Tsipras could revive his original coalition again.
If Syriza do win 145 seats, and the Independent Greeks get 10, then he’d have a narrow majority in the 300-seat parliament. Not enough to survive many rebellions, of course.[/quote]
God why. Syriza is the worst possible thing that has happened to Greece. Bunch of gits who make threatening messages but never come through, and cannot negotiate if their lives depended on it.
big turnout :s:
[QUOTE=Complifused;48725794]big turnout :s:[/QUOTE]
Seriously. Thats like a 12% turnout. Problem with politics is that the worse it gets, the more cynical people get and the less they participate in politics. Then, the less people participate in politics to worse it gets
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48725746]God why. Syriza is the worst possible thing that has happened to Greece. Bunch of gits who make threatening messages but never come through, and cannot negotiate if their lives depended on it.[/QUOTE]
Because they're the middle party, not all out cowtowing to Germany but not outright rejecting European austarity
[editline]20th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48725839]607 000 votes -> 145 seats
482 000 votes -> 75 seats
Always loved stuff like this.[/QUOTE]
It's not really any better than the way US politics shape up, most of the population of the country is represented by a small amount of gerrymandered districts, and the president is a winner-take-all system in almost all the states except for the very few that do a split vote
Greece need to leave the EU and let it crumble.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48725833]Seriously. Thats like a 12% turnout. Problem with politics is that the worse it gets, the more cynical people get and the less they participate in politics. Then, the less people participate in politics to worse it gets[/QUOTE]
The problem of low turnout is way worse in a country like Greece that's been fucked over politically so much recently its hardly surprising most of the country stopped giving a shit.
It's funny to think an Ultra nationalist party has quite a few seats in a place like Europe.
Turnout is around 55%
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/sep/20/greek-general-election-results-alexis-tsipras-syriza-meimarakis-new-democracy-live#block-55ff0164e4b00e7fa1597f55[/url]
Golden Dawn has gone up by one percentile... that's fucking dangerous.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;48725839]607 000 votes -> 145 seats
482 000 votes -> 75 seats
Always loved stuff like this.[/QUOTE]
It's proportional representation, but they give a bonus of 50 seats to the first-place party
[QUOTE=smurfy;48726055]It's proportional representation, but they give a bonus of 50 seats to the first-place party[/QUOTE]
That's oddly arbitrary.
Why use a good proportional system and then throw in a wrench and turn it into first takes all anyway?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48726124]That's oddly arbitrary.
Why use a good proportional system and then throw in a wrench and turn it into first takes all anyway?[/QUOTE]
same principle as gerrymandering, it insures the winning party always has a majority i guess
[QUOTE=Sableye;48726214]same principle as gerrymandering, it insures the winning party always has a majority i guess[/QUOTE]
It's meant to make it easier to form stable governments
[QUOTE=smurfy;48726248]It's meant to make it easier to form stable governments[/QUOTE]
that too, but when you're only looking at like 300 seats, 50 of which are automatic, that means just by being a majority vote you automatically get 16% more seats than anyone else, thats not an insignificant number especially if two parties come close
[QUOTE=Arrows;48725982]Greece need to leave the EU and let it crumble.[/QUOTE]
EU or Greece? The latter seems more likely.
[QUOTE=smurfy;48726055]It's proportional representation, but they give a bonus of 50 seats to the first-place party[/QUOTE]
That's some completely messed up shit that makes absolutely no sense. And here you have it, a party with only 35% almost having majority, that should not happen. Not to mention the turnout was just around 60%, that means you just need around 20% of votes from registered voters to form a government. What a joke.
The worst part is that it's the same story almost everywhere.
Good, syriza giving the troika a lesson, people can say whatever the fuck they want about them, but they are the only part that had the balls to fight against the troika, the troika pressured the greek people in an attempt to take them out of the government, but that didn't happen, because greeks know that this is a long process, and that austerity should end, and they have the courage to make this happen.
Yeah fuck you, what about our money (Other EU nations)?
Problem with Greece is they don't give a fuck. They just want more money but won't fix their tax collecting policies, ...
Wait..Golden Dawn is still a thing?
Popular Unity came so close to making it into parliament but doesn't seem like they will. Maybe they'll somehow end up with .15% more at the end of this though, that'd be neat.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48725746]God why. Syriza is the worst possible thing that has happened to Greece. Bunch of gits who make threatening messages but never come through, and cannot negotiate if their lives depended on it.[/QUOTE]
Considering that the party was elected on a no-austerity platform, and were forced into terrible positions by their defiance with the plebiscite, I'm not really sure that there was a winning position here. The EU basically refused to negotiate and gave them a shit and shittier option.
Imagine a 250 seat parliament in which the winning party had 95 seats. The amount of work one would have to do to form a coalition would be backbreaking.
The number one thing that ruins democracies is when extreme multiparty politics render effective government forming and legislative action impossible. Allowing one party to be guaranteed a sizable plurality/majority makes government forming much more stable.
[editline]20th September 2015[/editline]
Better than first past the post at any rate
[QUOTE=person11;48727015]Imagine a 250 seat parliament in which the winning party had 95 seats. The amount of work one would have to do to form a coalition would be backbreaking.
The number one thing that ruins democracies is when extreme multiparty politics render effective government forming and legislative action impossible. Allowing one party to be guaranteed a sizable plurality/majority makes government forming much more stable.
[editline]20th September 2015[/editline]
Better than first past the post at any rate[/QUOTE]
Yet I'd take this anyday over the two-party clusterfuck you guys have going on on the other side of the Atlantic.
[QUOTE=Octavius;48726782]Popular Unity came so close to making it into parliament but doesn't seem like they will. Maybe they'll somehow end up with .15% more at the end of this though, that'd be neat.[/QUOTE]
I guess that... they weren't so Popular after all :cool:
Really no one expected them to lose [B]this [/B]bad though, even Union of Centrists got in the parliament which is a surprising first
This election was mostly for them to get a mandate for the near-180 they pulled on the promises they made last election. They can now uphold the deal with the EU they made without being tied to their old promises.
[QUOTE=Clavus;48727360]This election was mostly for them to get a mandate for the near-180 they pulled on the promises they made last election. They can now uphold the deal with the EU they made without being tied to their old promises.[/QUOTE]
"Tied" when was politician tied to promise?
[QUOTE=Fourier;48727369]"Tied" when was politician tied to promise?[/QUOTE]
They had a lot of resistance within their own party from what I recall.
[QUOTE=Clavus;48727422]They had a lot of resistance within their own party from what I recall.[/QUOTE]
They did, those resisting broke away from Syriza and made their own party Popular Unity, which failed to enter parliament in yesterday's vote.
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