Germany is building a European army before your very eyes
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The Dutch army is made up of three brigades, plus support staff and Special Forces. On June 12, one of those brigades, the 11th Airmobile, officially joined the German army.
This was the first time ever that European country has handed part of its army over to another country. “Never before has a state renounced this elementary and integral part of its sovereignty,” wrote Die Welt’s political editor Thorsten Jungholt.
Now, Germany is making it clear that this was not an isolated event. Instead, it is a pattern Germany intends to follow as it absorbs more units from foreign militaries. “Germany is driving the European Army Project” was the title of Jungholt’s Die Welt article.
Expanding the German Army
Germany is pursuing a second Dutch brigade. The German Army’s Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Bruno Kasdorf, recently wrote a letter outlining plans for future cooperation. “The integration of the Dutch 43rd Mechanized Brigade into the [German] 1st Armored Division shall be encouraged,” he wrote. This would leave the 13th Mechanized Brigade as the only brigade in the Dutch army still under Dutch command.
This subject has received little attention in the Netherlands, but think about what is happening here. The Dutch army also includes Special Forces and support staff, so it is not quite accurate to say that two thirds of the Dutch army would be under German control, but certainly a very large part of it would be. This is no small experiment simply to pay lip service to the idea of multinational cooperation. This is the Netherlands signing the heart and core of its army over to Germany.
All this is in addition to extensive training and cooperation that already goes on between the two armed forces.
Kasdorf wrote that Germany wanted to employ the Dutch model in cooperation with other nations. “The bilateral cooperation with Austria and Poland is currently gaining much momentum,” he wrote.
In Austria, this cooperation is mainly in the form of “mountain-specific” activities, he continued, but “a more intensive … cooperation … in a form similar to the Netherlands” is being considered with Poland. The two nations have agreed “to study the exchange of units/organizations,” wrote Kasdorf.
These nations already train and exercise together often. Could we see Polish battalions joining the German army soon? Last year the two nations signed a naval agreement to train together and cooperate in the Baltic Sea. In the wake of the Ukrainian crisis, there may soon be more.
The Ultimate Goal
Hans-Peter Bartels, the chairman of the German parliament’s defense committee and the recipient of Kasdorf’s letter, left no doubt as to the final destination of all these additions. “The hour has come, finally, for concrete steps towards a European Army,” he told Die Welt.[/quote]
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[quote]The Philadelphia Trumpet is a monthly [B]news and prophecy magazine published by the Philadelphia Church of God (PCG).[/B] The editor-in-chief is Gerald Flurry, who is also the leader of the PCG and characterizes the magazine as the successor to The Plain Truth magazine when it was under the aegis of the Worldwide Church of God when run by the late Herbert W. Armstrong. The only advertisements in the magazine are for various pamphlets and booklets published by the PCG, for the Armstrong College Bible Correspondence Course, and a list of broadcast times for The Key of David. [B]The Trumpet reports on worldwide events as seen through the lens of Bible prophecy as taught by the PCG.[/B][/quote]
Uh
So it's an opinion piece with Christian bias, basically.
Not to belittle the points made, but I'd like to see a similar analysis from a more reputable news source before I consider anything in this piece seriously.
I'm surprisingly okay with this.
A common and united Europe is not necessarily a bad thing.
It's an interesting concept at least, the idea of a true multinational army.
Interesting yes, and hopefully this time things go a lot better. After all it's been 75 years and there's no way that old cult still exists.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;45667932]Uh
So it's an opinion piece with Christian bias, basically.
Not to belittle the points made, but I'd like to see a similar analysis from a more reputable news source before I consider anything in this piece seriously.[/QUOTE]
I don't really see what the Bible has to do with a European army. But I'll look for other sources.
Here:
[url]http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140613/DEFREG01/306130024/Dutch-Brigade-Integrates-German-Forces[/url]
It happened.
[I]The Fourth Reich shall rise[/I]
E: /joke lighten up nerds
TBH this is a very good step to removing the USA from it's power monopoly
If you can't beat them, join them
Because it didn't went too well last time
If the eu wants to have a common foreign policy this seems like an inevitable step.
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While there will be close German-Dutch cooperation in peacetime, [B]one country is not obligated to join the other if it goes on a military mission.[/B][/quote]
Doesn't sound much like a European army at all. Cooperation like this has been going on all over Europe for a long time.
[QUOTE=download;45667943]It's an interesting concept at least, the idea of a true multinational army.[/QUOTE]
Well the EU is starting to almost reflect a federation of nations, in much the same way as Aus, or the US has federation of states.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;45668083]Doesn't sound much like a European army at all. Cooperation like this has been going on all over Europe for a long time.[/QUOTE]
It's a slow process. If armies would suddenly be forced around to do stuff then nobody would join in on this.
At the moment it's a process of getting the armies under a single command, after that I guess they have other plans.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;45668083]Doesn't sound much like a European army at all. Cooperation like this has been going on all over Europe for a long time.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing that it's a process of integration and standardization - the first step towards a unified force.
Eurasia when?
[QUOTE=PatrickT;45668072]If you can't beat them, join them
Because it didn't went too well last time[/QUOTE]
Third time is the charm
One thing I don't understand about a European army is how they'd get around the language barrier
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;45668428]One thing I don't understand about a European army is how they'd get around the language barrier[/QUOTE]
English or French, most Europeans know one or the other.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;45668428]One thing I don't understand about a European army is how they'd get around the language barrier[/QUOTE]
They shall all speak sweet sweet english.
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;45668428]One thing I don't understand about a European army is how they'd get around the language barrier[/QUOTE]
Probably the same way pilots do- everybody would learn a reasonable amount of the 'European army language' (likely English, French or German since those are the most prevalent/ similar-to-others languages), and communicate in that. Battalions, I expect, would likely be made of people of the same nationality or at least language
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45668447]English or French, most Europeans know one or the other.[/QUOTE]
If it's Germany making this, odds are it'll be German.
Reminds me, whatever happened to the Eurocorps
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45668494]If it's Germany making this, odds are it'll be German.[/QUOTE]
That would be stupid
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;45668428]One thing I don't understand about a European army is how they'd get around the language barrier[/QUOTE]
English most likely, hell when i was a conscript in my battery served an australian who didn't speak a word of finnish. So our captain just told someone to translate to him. He served well for the 6 months of service.
The Euroreich.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/St9uabG.png[/t]
[QUOTE=demoguy08;45668083]Doesn't sound much like a European army at all. Cooperation like this has been going on all over Europe for a long time.[/QUOTE]
If it were obligatory a huge shitstorm would ensue. Especially now, when people want more autonomy.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;45668512]The Euroreich.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/St9uabG.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Why would they hurt turkey though?
I think it only makes sense to have an EU-wide armed forces. Have enough power to protect the EU from any other threat, even in the unrealistic scenario of conventional warfare against the RF or the USA, but it would only require each nation to chip in a small portion to contribute to that force. Economies of scale and all.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45668507]That would be stupid[/QUOTE]
Not at all. English being dominant, German still is an incredibly common language in Europe. More so than French.
[QUOTE=ionuttzu;45668507]That would be stupid[/QUOTE]
So...care to explain why, then?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45668575]So...care to explain why, then?[/QUOTE]
Because:
[IMG]http://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/most-spoken.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/second-most-spoken.jpg[/IMG]
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