Guy who beheaded daughter of Taiwanese family in broad daylight begs for forgiveness
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[QUOTE]A murder suspect accused of [URL="http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/knife-wielding-attacker-chops-off-head-of-4-year-old-girl-in-taipei"]decapitating a four-year-old girl [/URL]got on his knees and asked for forgiveness from the victim's mother in a Taipei court on Thursday (Sept 22).Suspect Wang Ching-yu, 33, has been charged with the murder of Liu Yi-jie, in a trial that began in June. The trial is held at the Shihlin district court.
Wang is accused of killing the girl, nicknamed "Little Light Bulb", in front of her mother, Claire Wang, on March 28.
The prosecution is seeking a death sentence for Wang, but his lawyers have asked for a lighter sentence.
On Thursday, he asked the judge if he could apologise to Ms Wang.
He then knelt down and said in Mandarin: "I'm sorry, I admit I was wrong. I did not mean it, please forgive me."
Ms Wang remained expressionless and ignored him. After 15 minutes, the judge asked Wang to get up, Taiwanese reports said.
"It's too early to talk about forgiveness," she told reporters on exiting the court room, adding that priority should be given to ensuring such crimes do not occur again.
"We should focus on investigating the cause of the crime, how the motive turned to action, and with this information, figure out what we can do, how we can reduce these incidents in the future."
The seemingly unprovoked and gruesome crime shocked Taiwanese society.
Wang slashed the girl as many as 23 times although he did not know the family. His psychiatric state at the time of the attack has been disputed during the trial.[/QUOTE]
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nah
[quote]After 15 minutes, the judge asked Wang to get up, Taiwanese reports said.
The seemingly unprovoked and gruesome crime shocked Taiwanese society.[/quote]
The victim was four years old, too. This guy has some screws loose for sure.
I think there might be more to this guy than stone-cold murderer.
He needs help, sure.
As for forgiveness, nah.
Yeah, but he said he didn't mean it.
maybe don't kill people and that won't be an issue?
I hope he gets the death sentence.
It's a shame the guy - who clearly has mental issues - wasn't able to seek and receive help before he carried out this act. I mean, it's definitely a clear case of the guy needing the harshest punishment the court can give, but I can't help but feel a little sad for him. He didn't do it out of a stone-cold murderous intent - what would drive a person to brutally murder a 4 year old unless they had severe psychiatric issues?
It's a shame this was able to be carried out before the guy could receive help and hopefully kept himself on the straight and narrow.
The idea of watching your own daughter have her head cut off right in front of you on a normal day is horrifying. Imagine the fear that went through her head, and the pain she felt
[QUOTE=loopoo;51098345]It's a shame the guy - who clearly has mental issues - wasn't able to seek and receive help before he carried out this act. I mean, it's definitely a clear case of the guy needing the harshest punishment the court can give, but I can't help but feel a little sad for him. He didn't do it out of a stone-cold murderous intent - what would drive a person to brutally murder a 4 year old unless they had severe psychiatric issues?
It's a shame this was able to be carried out before the guy could receive help and hopefully kept himself on the straight and narrow.[/QUOTE]
You feel sad for someone who murdered a four year old by cutting their head off?
Dude don't get me wrong I don't like it when people can't receive mental health treatment, but actually feeling sad for someone whom likely was mostly aware of what he was doing.. yeah I'm sorry I can't sympathize with that and honestly neither should you.
[QUOTE=loopoo;51098345]It's a shame the guy - who clearly has mental issues - wasn't able to seek and receive help before he carried out this act. I mean, it's definitely a clear case of the guy needing the harshest punishment the court can give, but I can't help but feel a little sad for him. He didn't do it out of a stone-cold murderous intent - what would drive a person to brutally murder a 4 year old unless they had severe psychiatric issues?
It's a shame this was able to be carried out before the guy could receive help and hopefully kept himself on the straight and narrow.[/QUOTE]
Despite what people want to believe, not all murderers are mentally ill. Some are just evil.
[quote]Prosecutors have asserted that he passed a psychiatric assessment from Taipei Veterans General Hospital. They earlier accused Wang of not showing remorse.[/quote]
Do we even know if he is mentally ill? All the info in the article points to him being a psycho or sociopath.
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He then knelt down and said in Mandarin: "I'm sorry, I admit I was wrong. I did not mean it, please forgive me."[/quote]
:what:
"I admit i was wrong. I did not mean it"
What the fuck is this loony trying to say?
"Sorry decapitating your 4 year old daughter infront of your face was not the brightest idea. I didn't mean too though! Just slashed at her 23 times!"
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51098352]You feel sad for someone who murdered a four year old by cutting their head off?
Dude don't get me wrong I don't like it when people can't receive mental health treatment, but actually feeling sad for someone whom likely was mostly aware of what he was doing.. yeah I'm sorry I can't sympathize with that and honestly neither should you.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry dude but if you genuinely believe someone going through a psychosis episode is fully aware and willing of what they're doing, you need to take a crash-course in psychiatric disorders.
I don't want the guy to get off with what he's done, and I definitely think he should be imprisoned for sure (the death penalty doesn't sit well with me). I wouldn't give the guy a hug or send him flowers, but that doesn't mean I can't be empathetic for him and his situation.
He fucked up big time by killing a little girl and nothing he ever does will redeem that, but knowing it was most likely caused by a shitty disorder that he couldn't control, it makes it sit heavily in my stomach. Look at it this way: if he was fully aware and in control, why the fuck would he brutally murder a little girl in broad daylight [I]in front of her mother?[/I] Surely if he was a fucked-up serial killer, he'd choose a method a little bit more inconspicuous?
To wrap it up: the world's a shithole, people suck, life's a struggle, but all that being said, my humanity makes it difficult to outright condemn the guy without feeling a little bit of sorrow for him, especially with the thought of knowing "it could have been prevented if only he reached out and got help for his condition".
[editline]24th September 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51098359]Despite what people want to believe, not all murderers are mentally ill. Some are just evil.
Do we even know if he is mentally ill? All the info in the article points to him being a psycho or sociopath.[/QUOTE]
If he legitimately is alright then fuck him, I have no sympathy for the cunt and in that case I wouldn't feel so bad for the death penalty.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51098359]Do we even know if he is mentally ill? All the info in the article points to him being a psycho or sociopath.[/QUOTE]
uh
those are mental illnesses.
and the fact that he shows signs of remorse blurs the idea as to whether or not he's even an actual psychopath. it depends on how genuine he feels, of which i cannot say.
[QUOTE=loopoo;51098367]I'm sorry dude but if you genuinely believe someone going through a psychosis episode is fully aware and willing of what they're doing, [b]you need to take a crash-course in psychiatric disorders.[/b]
[/QUOTE] You really should stop dismissing people while you do an argument.
It's an incredibly low thing to do, and it's only there to empower your own standpoint ego wise.
Hope he gets the chair
[QUOTE=Blazedol;51098375]uh
those are mental illnesses.
[/QUOTE]
They're not when considering insanity plea. These are different kind of disorders.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;51098375]
and the fact that he shows signs of remorse blurs the idea as to whether or not he's even an actual psychopath. it depends on how genuine he feels, of which i cannot say.[/QUOTE]
Even the most remorseless sociopath would show remorse to get out of death penalty. Unless he wanted to die that is. Means literally nothing, especially considering what he did before.
[QUOTE=Warborq;51098377]I think it's pretty much proven that you have to have incredibly low empathy levels to actually kill a child, so he's probably just trying to save his own skin.[/QUOTE]
where on earth did you hear that? if you're completely aware and conscious, sure, but we don't know enough about the killer's mental condition to know whether or not he was. and we'll probably never find out either because [I][B]fuck[/B][/I] taiwan
[QUOTE=Warborq;51098377]You really should stop dismissing people while you do an argument.
It's an incredibly low thing to do, and it's only there to empower your own standpoint ego wise.[/QUOTE]
How was that in any way dismissive? He said
[QUOTE]don't get me wrong I don't like it when people can't receive mental health treatment, but actually feeling sad for someone whom likely was mostly aware of what he was doing[/QUOTE]
It's not being dismissive if he clearly doesn't fully understand what going through a psychosis episode can do to you.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51098411]Even the most remorseless sociopath would show remorse to get out of death penalty. Unless he wanted to die that is. Means literally nothing, especially considering what he did before.[/QUOTE]
sure, but where are you getting this information from, then, that he's a 'remorseless sociopath'? he's not a nice person, but you don't know him and you don't know the specifics on his mental state other than he's not entirely there in the head and literally anyone can tell you that, so you can only guess. that's pretty much all anyone can do with such limited information.
[QUOTE=Warborq;51098377]You really should stop dismissing people while you do an argument.
It's an incredibly low thing to do, and it's only there to empower your own standpoint ego wise.[/QUOTE]
Nah it's fine seeing as my reply was based on the article, specifically this part:
[quote]Prosecutors have asserted that he passed a psychiatric assessment from Taipei Veterans General Hospital. [/quote]
I mean it's just the prosecutors but if the dude passed the assessment, then idk why psychosis which isn't mentioned in the article is even being brought up. Unless there is another article or other info I am missing here.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;51098430]sure, but where are you getting this information from, then, that he's a 'remorseless sociopath'? he's not a nice person, but you don't know him and you don't know the specifics on his mental state other than he's not entirely there in the head and literally anyone can tell you that, so you can only guess. that's pretty much all anyone can do with such limited information.[/QUOTE]
To be honest it doesn't even matter. If he's not sane, he's unstable enough to behead a child. At this point I don't even want to know him or his specifics. Even if he doesn't get chair, he should be never released or be kept around people who cannot defend themselves. There is no helping him any more. He fucked up, bad.
I really, really doubt this guy is any sort of sane.
He most likely should've been in mental care long before this.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51098544]To be honest it doesn't even matter. If he's not sane, he's unstable enough to behead a child. At this point I don't even want to know him or his specifics. Even if he doesn't get chair, he should be never released or be kept around people who cannot defend themselves. There is no helping him any more. He fucked up, bad.[/QUOTE]
it all depends on whether or not he can be fixed, really. though considering the history of brutal killings like these, that doesn't seem likely, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=paul simon;51098559]I really, really doubt this guy is any sort of sane.
He most likely should've been in mental care long before this.[/QUOTE]
he should've, but iirc taiwan's mental health care is kinda ass.
dude got issues definitely
he beheaded the little girl right in front of the mother's eyes
after that when he got caught he kept saying weird shit like "i'm the emperor" or some shit
trying to play crazy so he won't end up in getting death sentence
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51098352]You feel sad for someone who murdered a four year old by cutting their head off?
Dude don't get me wrong I don't like it when people can't receive mental health treatment, but actually feeling sad for someone whom likely was mostly aware of what he was doing.. yeah I'm sorry I can't sympathize with that and honestly neither should you.[/QUOTE]
You realize if you were in the same situation as him, you would have done the same thing, right?
[QUOTE=elowin;51098604]You realize if you were in the same situation as him, you would have done the same thing, right?[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're trying to say. No shit most people would do anything to avoid death penalty. But how's that relevant? Should we feel sad for that? No.
[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51098483]Nah it's fine seeing as my reply was based on the article, specifically this part:
I mean it's just the prosecutors but if the dude passed the assessment, then idk why psychosis which isn't mentioned in the article is even being brought up. Unless there is another article or other info I am missing here.[/QUOTE]
Cause I really don't see how a normal-functioning man would be able to do something so horrific. He just straight up went and butchered a little girl in public with no provocation. He's clearly not all there.
I mean, if it was a mugging gone wrong, or burglary, or a fight, I'd understand maybe the little girl being accidentally hurt. But to just go in broad daylight and butcher a kid, it kinda raises a bunch of red flags. Hence why I brought up psychosis.
Piece of shit. He deserves no forgiveness and should never be allowed back in society. I don't care if you have a mental illness or not, beheading a four year old is something I would never forgive no matter how mentally ill you are.
Mental Illness or not, it doesn't matter because it happened. You have to take responsibility for your actions regardless.
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