North Korea threatens US with nuclear strike as American warships approach
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[quote]SEOUL, April 11 (Reuters) - North Korean state media on Tuesday warned of a nuclear attack on the United States at any sign of a U.S. pre-emptive strike as a U.S. Navy strike group led by a nuclear-powered aircraft steamed towards the western Pacific.
Tension has escalated sharply on the Korean peninsula with talk of military action by the United States gaining traction following its strikes last week against Syria and amid concerns the reclusive North may soon conduct a sixth nuclear test.
North Korea's official Rodong Sinmun newspaper said the country was prepared to respond to any aggression by the United States.
"Our revolutionary strong army is keenly watching every move by enemy elements with our nuclear sight focused on the U.S. invasionary bases not only in South Korea and the Pacific operation theater but also in the U.S. mainland," it said.[/quote]
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This is like watching a progressively more catastrophic Domino line which we can't stop
And we can only watch
You see, we don't have to worry about climate change because the world is going to be a fucking atomic fireball in a week or so.
[QUOTE=Megadave;52092069]You see, we don't have to worry about climate change because the world is going to be a fucking atomic fireball in a week or so.[/QUOTE]
Followed by a nuclear winter, won't have to worry about global warming then!
While I have no doubt NK can nuke anyone near them, I highly doubt their missiles can get anywhere close to America, since they haven't even conquered Poseidon yet
I feel like there is something major missing in the background of all these most recent geopolitical events. It doesn't all add up.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;52092246]I feel like there is something major missing in the background of all these most recent geopolitical events. It doesn't all add up.[/QUOTE]
It's all in the numbers and number one is terror.
NK is pissed because China pulled out Coal Trade with NK, instead now trading with US
[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-northkorea-coal-exclusive-idUSKBN17D0D8"]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-northkorea-coal-exclusive-idUSKBN17D0D8[/URL]
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52092312]NK is pissed because China pulled out Coal Trade with NK, instead now trading with US
[URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-northkorea-coal-exclusive-idUSKBN17D0D8"]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-northkorea-coal-exclusive-idUSKBN17D0D8[/URL][/QUOTE]
Holy crap, they're going to be starving even more than they usually are.
Hilarious.
If the US decided to undertake a pre-emptive strike, North Korea wouldn't be able to respond before their nuclear facilities disappear in a nuclear fireball.
[QUOTE=download;52092414]Hilarious.
If the US decided to undertake a pre-emptive strike, North Korea wouldn't be able to respond before their nuclear facilities disappear in a nuclear fireball.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure of that? Willing to bet an entire nation on being able to do that?
There is no clean way out of this situation, no matter the course people will die, who knows how many people die in NK every day at their labor camps or from starvation. Honestly that regime needs to be toppled, there won't ever be a clean way out of this.
[QUOTE=geel9;52092453]Are you sure of that? Willing to bet an entire nation on being able to do that?[/QUOTE]
It's about four minutes from launch to hitting the target if you're launching from the Sea of Japan. US SLBMs are designed to destroy hardened Russian silos. North Korea, with soft launch sites are easy pickings for the US or any other serious nuclear power. Just to be sure they might out three warheads on each target.
Also, it's not an entire nation. North Korea doesn't have enough weapons to destroy the US, South Korea or Japan.
Also a common misconception of Seoul being kept hostage is that the vast majority of their artillery don't even have the range to hit Seoul, some of their better pieces can at best only hit the northern suburbs.
Interestingly enough, China has threatened NK that they will bomb their nuclear sites if they do anything dumb.
Knowing Trump's record on campaign promises, I'm gonna guess he's going to ally with China to topple the regime.
So hypothetically speaking if NK actually had the ability to strike the US with a nuclear launch, would we be able to intercept?
[QUOTE=DepDirkson;52092744]So hypothetically speaking if NK actually had the ability to strike the US with a nuclear launch, would we be able to intercept?[/QUOTE]
Probably and hopefully.
If we have intercept systems designed to combat Russia or China launching a missile, I'm sure we can catch North Korea's, maybe even before it lands in the Pacific short of its target.
The exact effectiveness of GBMD is classified but I would expect that when faced with a single missile it will launch multiple interceptors to increase kill probability.
North Korea having offensive nuclear capabilities would be a pretty easy bluff to call. If they're still popping off test nukes underground it means they probably don't have the microization tech to put them on missiles. Not to mention anything past a certain range would require that plus re-entry vehicles, plus reliable launch vehicles that can carry it.
NK keeps testing tiny nukes that barely register on the seismic scale. Makes me assume they trying to aim for thermonuclear bombs, and what they've been testing are primaries for them.
North Korea couldn't nuke the US mainland if we donated​ the warheads to them.
/Armchair general.
I imagine Trump my do this to try and secure some sort of legacy. If it somehow goes well (for a war) and NK ends up toppled without the world imploding then he can secure his legacy as the one who stopped the Kim's.
If thats his plan, he better be prepared for the refugee crisis, even if the proposed war ends messily with the government toppled and hundereds of thousands dead, thats still millions of refugees who'll come flooding into China and South Korea.
If a proposed war happens, he'll need to make sure China is ok with it.
[QUOTE=OvB;52092838]North Korea having offensive nuclear capabilities would be a pretty easy bluff to call. If they're still popping off test nukes underground it means they probably don't have the microization tech to put them on missiles. Not to mention anything past a certain range would require that plus re-entry vehicles, plus reliable launch vehicles that can carry it.
NK keeps testing tiny nukes that barely register on the seismic scale. Makes me assume they trying to aim for thermonuclear bombs, and what they've been testing are primaries for them.
North Korea couldn't nuke the US mainland if we donated​ the warheads to them.
/Armchair general.[/QUOTE]
My guess is if China or Russia isn't worried about them, there is nothing to fear. They would be the main powers to supply the items necessary for something of this scale. Not that they aren't getting there, but they don't have the resources on hand to destroy much.
[QUOTE=download;52092414]Hilarious.
If the US decided to undertake a pre-emptive strike, North Korea wouldn't be able to respond before their nuclear facilities disappear in a nuclear fireball.[/QUOTE]
we don't fully know exactly their capabilities, nor what would happen or how it would pan out if something did happen
It would be arrogance to do a pre-emptive strike on the assumption that north korea wouldn't be able to respond and cause serious damage that could escalate out of control
Frankly, china is NK's only ally, and i don't understand why china even puts up with them. Even during the soviet era, Kruschev and friends had to make secret trips down to Pyongyang to tell the koreans to calm the fuck down and stop doing things like capturing the Pueblo. So basically the NK's out crazied the soviets.
Point is, is push came to shove, i can't imagine even china would go to war with the entire world over north korea. Although if america does mess with NK, it's not gonna be without consequences. So hoo boy.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52092965]we don't fully know exactly their capabilities, nor what would happen or how it would pan out if something did happen
It would be arrogance to do a pre-emptive strike on the assumption that north korea wouldn't be able to respond and cause serious damage that could escalate out of control[/QUOTE]
You can't hide nuclear infrastructure. The US knows exactly what their long-range capabilities are.
[editline]12th April 2017[/editline]
I wasn't even discussing whether a first strike was a good idea or not, simply commenting on how quickly it would end and who would win.
I remember [URL="https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/dprk/"]following a link[/URL] over at HN that lists missiles and their potential range of NK (and [URL="https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/"]many other countries[/URL]) from Center for Strategic & International Studies. Thought the data might be of interest to some of you.
edit: forgot to mention, it is based off of [URL="https://missilethreat.csis.org/resources/"]these resources[/URL], from the US Navy and Missile Defence Agency, among others.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52092970]Frankly, china is NK's only ally, and i don't understand why china even puts up with them. Even during the soviet era, Kruschev and friends had to make secret trips down to Pyongyang to tell the koreans to calm the fuck down and stop doing things like capturing the Pueblo. So basically the NK's out crazied the soviets.[/QUOTE]
Well China has increasingly ceased putting up with North Korea, going so far as to stop coal imports from the country, which is a huge economic sacrifice for China to make and further hurts the North Korean economy. As for why they are still nominal allies, two reasons.
1) North Korea is stable. It's under a dictatorial rule and many of its citizens live in appalling conditions, but this doesn't really matter to China. If the whole thing came crumbling down there would very soon be a massive refugee crisis right on China's door step. The current middle east refugee crisis doesn't even compare to a situation where the government of North Korea simply disintegrates, either by war or internal factions. For this alone China has a lot of motivation to keep North Korea on two feet.
2) North Korea serves as a buffer between China and South Korea, which is a key ally to the United States and it's foothold on the Asian continent. A reunified Korean state would dissolve this buffer and put American influence right on China's doorstep.
Basically the reason China still puts up with them is because it's comparatively little investment on their part to prevent possible disaster, but it seems like patience is running thin.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;52092970]Point is, is push came to shove, i can't imagine even china would go to war with the entire world over north korea. Although if america does mess with NK, it's not gonna be without consequences. So hoo boy.[/QUOTE]
Depends on how such a war is conducted with regards to China. The key problem is that no solution would be more favorable to China than no war at all. They probably wouldn't send 3 million "volunteers" to help North Korea like last time, but it would set back relations by decades.
[editline]12th April 2017[/editline]
If you want to talk about Kruschev being outcrazied, there was that time [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/fidel-castro-nikita-khrushchev-letter-death-2016-11"]Fidel Castro asked him to nuke the United States[/URL] if the US attacked Cuba
North Korea strikes me as the sort of nation that would pull a Belka and nuke itself rather than be defeated conventionally.
I've read somewhere that North Koreans could only wage war for about 72 hours?
But then again another one of my military friend said the our forces deploying to North Korea in the event of war had an estimate of 93% casualty rate for the first wave
[QUOTE=Kill001;52093281]I've read somewhere that North Koreans could only wage war for about 72 hours?
But then again another one of my military friend said the our forces deploying to North Korea in the event of war had an estimate of 93% casualty rate for the first wave[/QUOTE]
They have enough fuel for about 2 months, more if they can capture South Korean fuel intact.
Though if I remember correctly the Center for Strategic & International Studies estimates North Korea holding out for about 6 weeks.
Is it April already
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