Billion-euro brain simulation and graphene projects win European funds - Polidicks

[IMG]http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.8637.1359033907!/image/1.12291.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_300/1.12291.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]The European Commission has selected the two research proposals it will fund to the tune of half-a-billion euros each after a two-year, high-profile contest. The Human Brain Project, led by neuroscientist Henry Markram at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) in Lausanne, plans to simulate everything known about the human brain in a supercomputer — a breathtaking ambition that has been met with some scepticism (See “Brain in a box”). The other project, called Graphene, is led by theoretical physicist Jari Kinaret at Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg, Sweden. It will develop the potential of graphene — an ultrathin, flexible and conducting form of carbon — along with related materials for applications in computing, batteries and sensors. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.nature.com/news/billion-euro-brain-simulation-and-graphene-projects-win-european-funds-1.12291"]Source[/URL]

More money for things like this please.

I agree with this.

Presumably if we do manage to create a human brain in a computer at some point, there'll be a chance for it to give rise to a consciousness correct? I wonder how it will perceive being in a computer.

Future of artificial intelligence?

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39343866]Presumably if we do manage to create a human brain in a computer at some point, there'll be a chance for it to give rise to a consciousness correct? I wonder how it will perceive being in a computer.[/QUOTE] Well what else would it do? Not be a brain because it's in a computer? Check your privilege embodied people.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;39343920]Well what else would it do? Not be a brain because it's in a computer? Check your privilege embodied people.[/QUOTE] Nah I'm just genuinely wondering, I mean yeah at some point in the future we will simulate the brain, but we'll still need to write a program that could adapt on the fly to essentially lay the foundation for the consciousness but to do that we need to know what consciousness is and to do that, we'll presumably need to know how the brain works.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39343971]Nah I'm just genuinely wondering, I mean yeah at some point in the future we will simulate the brain, but we'll still need to write a program that could adapt on the fly to essentially lay the foundation for the consciousness but to do that we need to know what consciousness is and to do that, we'll presumably need to know how the brain works.[/QUOTE] No need to know how consciousness works. You just have to simulate the neurons, in their biologically realistic arrangements, and consciousness would naturally emerge, for the same reasons why if you simulated every atom of a petri dish full of bacteria they would still live, reproduce and die.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;39344041]No need to know how consciousness works. You just have to simulate the neurons, in their biologically realistic arrangements, and consciousness would naturally emerge, for the same reasons why if you simulated every atom of a petri dish full of bacteria they would still live, reproduce and die.[/QUOTE] I suppose, either way we'll find out for sure when we manage to simulate a full brain and try and make it do things.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39344094]I suppose, either way we'll find out for sure when we manage to simulate a full brain and try and make it do things.[/QUOTE] i always wondered about the less known things humans need for survival. like human contact and new experiences. no matter how much of a loner you claim to be people still tend to go crazy when truly alone for long periods of time. what will happen when a brain in the box gets bored of being in the same lab with the same people ..if it even can sense the people are there at all. can't help but think of Robocop 2 where the test versions for the new robo's all go crazy and kill themselves from sheer overwhelming data. like that only madness from being a lonely brain with no other senses

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;39343671][IMG]http://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/7.8637.1359033907!/image/1.12291.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_300/1.12291.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://www.nature.com/news/billion-euro-brain-simulation-and-graphene-projects-win-european-funds-1.12291"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE] 'yurop fuck yeah

The Graphene project seems nifty, although I'd argue the Brain simulation is a waste of time and money.

I wonder if they're going to be able to afford to build a super computer brain with only 500m euro

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39343866]Presumably if we do manage to create a human brain in a computer at some point, there'll be a chance for it to give rise to a consciousness correct? I wonder how it will perceive being in a computer.[/QUOTE] Hang itself from boredom probably .

[QUOTE=Scrimp;39344946]Hang itself from boredom probably .[/QUOTE] Realize it has no arms or rope or anything to hang itself from

Meanwhile, on the US research funding list: - guns - guns - expensive fighter jets - ammo - more guns

i've been thinking for a while now about the fact that the first artificial conscious being that we create will always be stuck, completely immobile and devoid of any way to experience its life. bums me the fuck out tbh

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;39345871]i've been thinking for a while now about the fact that the first artificial conscious being that we create will always be stuck, completely immobile and devoid of any way to experience its life. bums me the fuck out tbh[/QUOTE] Dude chill we can just build a super-rad robot body and hook it up with its motor neurons. It will look like a steampunk tiger, and also GUNS.

[QUOTE=Radley;39345607]Meanwhile, on the US research funding list: - guns - guns - expensive fighter jets - ammo - more guns[/QUOTE] can fp go a thread without a dumb remark against the US despite complete irrelevance to the topic at hand? find out next fuckin time [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Eudoxia;39345890]Dude chill we can just build a super-rad robot body and hook it up with its motor neurons. It will look like a steampunk tiger, and also GUNS.[/QUOTE] but it wont have the same sensory inputs n shit and it wouldn't be able to do the same things that we can. We can't really know how it will cope with the idea of not having the same bodies we do while having the same brain, but I'd wager that it'd be hard to deal with considering it would think like a human brain.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;39345893]can fp go a thread without a dumb remark against the US despite complete irrelevance to the topic at hand? find out next fuckin time [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] but it wont have the same sensory inputs n shit and it wouldn't be able to do the same things that we can. We can't really know how it will cope with the idea of not having the same bodies we do while having the same brain, but I'd wager that it'd be hard to deal with considering it would think like a human brain.[/QUOTE] This week on "Will smartass FPers ever learn to recognize sarcasm?" we give you the answer. No.

[QUOTE=Radley;39346001]This week on "Will smartass FPers ever learn to revognize sarcasm?" we give you the answer. No.[/QUOTE] Sarcasm or not, there's really no point in bringing up the US's science spending.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346017]Sarcasm or not, there's really no point in bringing up the US's science spending.[/QUOTE] I can now understand that my stale try on humor has been rather fruitless and I must bid you adieu to not further derail the thread.

[QUOTE=Chinook249;39345552]Realize it has no arms or rope or anything to hang itself from[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_%28computing%29[/url]

nah, it will probably just sudo rm -rf /* --no-preserve-root