Aus same-sex marriage survey: Federal police asked to investigate sale of survey forms - Polidicks

[t]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8886554-3x2-940x627.jpg[/t] [quote=ABC News]The Australian Federal Police are being asked to investigate cases of people trying to sell their same sex-marriage survey forms. Forms have appeared for sale on auction websites such as eBay, with one person offering theirs up for $1,500. Australian Bureau of Statistics deputy statistician Jonathan Palmer said he has asked for some of the cases to be referred to the AFP, however he admitted the ABS does not have a policy on how to handle such matters. "Not yet we don't, and I'd like to have some discussions with the AFP about that," he said. Mr Palmer told a Senate Committee examining the postal survey that before the forms were sent out, discussions were held about what could be done to protect the integrity of the system. But there were no discussions about how to handle people trying to sell their survey forms.[/quote] Read more at [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-16/afp-asked-to-investigate-sale-of-same-sex-marriage-survey-forms/8951198[/url] This is one of the reasons why plebiscites, elections, what have you, should always be done in-person at a polling place, whenever possible. Postal and electronic voting are just too nasty.

Is there even any legislation in place preventing people from doing this If not. What the fuck is the AFP gonna do

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;52685482]Is there even any legislation in place preventing people from doing this If not. What the fuck is the AFP gonna do[/QUOTE] Probably nothing. However the ABS has been in contact with EBay and Gumtree and has been successfully removing listings as soon as they pop up.

What a shit show

I like to think that this survey turning out to be a disaster is a neat reflection of how much of a disaster the Liberal government has been since 2013.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;52686038]I like to think that this survey turning out to be a disaster is a neat reflection of how much of a disaster the Liberal government has been since 2013.[/QUOTE] disastrous governments have been existing here long before that consistently.

Voted no, my father's never arrived in mail though.

[QUOTE=cartman;52686281]Voted no, my father's never arrived in mail though.[/QUOTE] congrats big man

[QUOTE=cartman;52686281]Voted no, my father's never arrived in mail though.[/QUOTE] May I ask why?

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;52686328]May I ask why?[/QUOTE] Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.

[QUOTE=cartman;52686542]Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.[/QUOTE] If you want it then vote yes, no point dancing around it. Australia will never be "ready" with that kind of mentality.

[QUOTE=cartman;52686542]Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.[/QUOTE] When it comes to things like this voting no and hoping its done better in the future almost never works. Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't legally binding or anything, if you genuinely support gay marriage then you should vote yes to show you want it.

I'm sorry, but the only reason to vote "no" on this is if you legitimately want to continue depriving basic human rights from people. There's no way I can respect that, and the argument of "the country isn't ready" and "it shouldn't be done like this" are, not to put too fine a point on it, [I]bullshit.[/I] the LBGTQ community has been rallying for marriage equality for over a decade, now. This has been the first and thus far only real chance to get it to happen. And you can be rest assured that the ensuing shitstorm if the "no" vote wins will be far, far more trouble than it is worth. Honestly, the fact that this is still something people are legitimately arguing about fills me with a deep and horrible resentment for this country and its populace. We're better than this.

[QUOTE=cartman;52686542]Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.[/QUOTE]Not ready? It's two blokes or two chicks marrying, not a complete, radical change in the system of government. If Australia is not ready for something like gay marriage, it's not ready for sharp sticks or basic arithmetic.

[QUOTE=cartman;52686542]Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.[/QUOTE] Just want to point out that we had a lot of people voting no in protest to the government last year in the UK, people who found the idea of an EU referendum ridiculous. Their nuanced reasons did not matter, their actual vote did, and that's how we got Brexit. From what I understand (I don't know much about Aussie politics), you've got plenty of right to find the plebiscite a ludicrous waste of time, and you're right that marriage equality should be provided in a much more direct way, but if you deliberately sour this attempt, it'll only be dragged out even longer.

I also voted no, maybe I should have sold mine after I marked the no

[QUOTE=cartman;52686542]Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.[/QUOTE] You guys are neighbors to some of the most dangerous complete abominations that evolution has created in some drunken stupor, yet you think Australia may not be ok with 2 guys kissing? Not trying to attack you here, just saying that this line of thought is a little silly. In this day and age, I think we have bigger problems than who is rubbing whos groin

Honestly its just selfish to vote no. Who are you to say that someone can't marry someone they love because of some archaic/ignorant belief?

[QUOTE=Rexxasaurus;52691392]Honestly its just selfish to vote no. Who are you to say that someone can't marry someone they love because of some archaic/ignorant belief?[/QUOTE] It goes beyond selfish IMO It's spiteful and harmful for literally no reason other than it grosses you out a little

[QUOTE=cartman;52686542]Thank you for asking, Honestly I wanted to vote yes but at the current point In Australia is not ready and this is not a correct way for gay marriage to be allowed. Lib/Labour should stop being bitches and say if I am elected next election we will bring it in via Parliament vote. I'll probably throw the vote away before I mail it, idk.[/QUOTE] you know this isn't legally binding right this is literally a survey asking if people want it this is exactly the chance we have of finding out if 'australia is ready' (although who gives a fuck what bigots think just pass it) [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] if you vote no, you're voting against giving people basic human rights. basically 'vote no if you're a horrible piece of shit'. any other rationalization is just you trying to get yourself to sleep every night. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] to clarify: if you vote no, you're not necessarily a bad person. I don't know you. but you are most likely a very confused person who's doing a bad thing. you should try speaking to some people with different opinions to you. you might be surprised what you can learn.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52691423]you know this isn't legally binding right this is literally a survey asking if people want it this is exactly the chance we have of finding out if 'australia is ready'...[/QUOTE] Yeah but people could also be voting no due to religion. Though depending on your religion voting no would be okay or horible human being on this fourm. I voted no and mailed this morning, getting married is a cultural tradition to me and is not a basic human right at all. Can anyone explain why gays need to be married?

[QUOTE=cartman;52691993]Yeah but people could also be voting no due to religion. Though depending on your religion voting no would be okay or horible human being on this fourm. I voted no and mailed this morning, getting married is a cultural tradition to me and is not a basic human right at all. Can anyone explain why gays need to be married?[/QUOTE] Because the government changed marriage from a cultural tradition to a legal institution, so that legal institution needs to be made available to all Australians.

[QUOTE=cartman;52691993]I voted no and mailed this morning, getting married is a cultural tradition to me and is not a basic human right at all.[/QUOTE] Well fuck, maybe they shouldn't have made it to where you get legal benefits if you marry someone if they wanted to keep it a religious tradition. Meanwhile, gay partners have to settle for civil unions which don't have the same benefits as marriages.

[QUOTE=cartman;52691993]Yeah but people could also be voting no due to religion. Though depending on your religion voting no would be okay or horible human being on this fourm. [/QUOTE] Just because someone is of a religion that thinks gay people are lesser humans doesn't mean they necessarily have to vote no. Voting yes wouldn't be against that religion in most cases. Being gay is against the religion. Treating gay people with basic decency is not.

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Also keep in mind: Legal marriage and religious marriage are two different things. Changing the law to allow same-sex legal marriages will not affect religious marriages at all.

[QUOTE=cartman;52691993]Yeah but people could also be voting no due to religion. Though depending on your religion voting no would be okay or horible human being on this fourm. I voted no and mailed this morning, getting married is a cultural tradition to me and is not a basic human right at all. Can anyone explain why gays need to be married?[/QUOTE] because you get to be married. as a cultural tradition, marriage has constantly changed and evolved over the years. marriage was born of religion, but now you can get totally secular marriages with a celebrant instead of a priest. it doesn't make sense to nail it down as one single 'cultural tradition' when we have and continue to change what marriage is. if you deeply search yourself for why you're voting no, can you honestly say there's no discrimination? tradition is a bogus reason since tradition is always changing and evolving. what is one good reason you should be denied marriage to a person you love (who is an adult). what makes a gay man or woman different to a straight man or woman that they should not have access to the same legal rights? and yes, marriage is a legal right between adults. it offers many legal benefits for spouses that de facto couples do not have. you strike me as someone who really hasn't though very deeply into the issue and has just voted on a gut feeling and left it at that. imagine if you straight up weren't allowed to get married because of the way you were born. [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] gay people suffer discrimination daily and are made by many to feel like they do not belong. allowing gay people the same marriage rights as everyone else is a huge step in favor of giving people the feeling of belonging they deserve. to feel accepted in society that straight people just automatically get and take for granted. do you know any gay people? have you spoken to them? do you not think a country saying, 'hm, no, we don't need to legally recognize your relationships like the rest of ours are.' is a hugely cruel and unreasonable thing to do? you can just easily say 'hm, nah'. because it doesn't effect you. but for gay people, this is their lives being voted on. i'm not trying to bombard you, I just hope you are willing to see a different perspective.

If it's a matter of giving them a legally binding document saying X agrees to z terms then I am 100% okay with it. But is a priest is forced to wed a gay couple in church due to law, thats not cool. What I am saying is from a legal stand point 100% for it. But as a cultural meaning, as in Christian definition of marriage and what goes with it.. I'm 100% against.

[QUOTE=cartman;52692109]If it's a matter of giving them a legally binding document saying X agrees to z terms then I am 100% okay with it. But is a priest is forced to wed a gay couple in church due to law, thats not cool. What I am saying is from a legal stand point 100% for it. But as a cultural meaning, as in Christian definition of marriage and what goes with it.. I'm 100% against.[/QUOTE] that's what's happening! no priest is being forced to wed gay couples! the church can still refuse to marry gay couples. this is an argument for a legal institution, performed outside of churches with celebrants. totally secular. i wish you had given it a bit more research before voting no! this has nothing to do with 'christian marriage.' although i do hope you search your heart and ask yourself why christianity should be against it, and why you should just go along with that, but that's another discussion. this is for legal marriage. no church involvement. the exact same legal and secular marriage straight couples can also choose to get.

Canada here, we've had same-sex marriage for 12 years. As everyone may have noticed, we have not been sucked into the bowels of hell by Satan and leaving behind only a glowing lava field along the US border. And, more seriously, I haven't heard of one single incident of a church being forced to perform a wedding that went against its beliefs. It is not a problem. People of all stripes can enjoy the legal benefits of civil marriage, and churches can continue to do what they want without interference. Everyone wins. It's really easy.