• Trump Organisation says it's 'not practical' to comply With the Emoluments Clause
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[quote]Days before taking office, Donald Trump said his company would donate all profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury, part of an effort to avoid even the appearance of a conflict with the Constitution’s emoluments clause. Now, however, the Trump Organization is telling Congress that determining exactly how much of its profits come from foreign governments is simply more trouble than it’s worth.[/quote] [quote]“To fully and completely identify all patronage at our Properties by customer type is impractical in the service industry and putting forth a policy that requires all guests to identify themselves would impede upon personal privacy and diminish the guest experience of our brand,” the Trump Organization wrote in its policy pamphlet, which the company’s chief compliance officer said had been distributed to general managers and senior officials at all of its properties.[/quote] [url=https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trumps-company-isnt-tracking-all-the-money-it-gets-from-foreign-governments/527997/]Source[/url]
Of course it's impractical to comply because otherwise politics wouldn't make gutter trash like you filthy rich now, would it? Doubling your registration fee to 200k by saying "this chain of hotels owned by the President of the USA" is violation enough.
I for one am completely caught off guard.
Then get the fuck out. The US Constitution doesn't have a "it's too haaaaaaard" exception to the emoluments clause.
[QUOTE]The president has given no indication he intends to do so, and his attorneys have described his decision to donate foreign government profits to the Treasury as voluntary, since they argue the president is not subject to the emoluments clause or other conflicts-of-interest laws governing most federal employees.[/QUOTE] [B][I][U]HE'S THE FUCKING PRESIDENT[/U][/I][/B]
[QUOTE=Popularvote;52273865][QUOTE]The president has given no indication he intends to do so, and his attorneys have described his decision to donate foreign government profits to the Treasury as voluntary, since they argue the president is not subject to the emoluments clause or other conflicts-of-interest laws governing most federal employees.[/QUOTE] [B][I][U]HE'S THE FUCKING PRESIDENT[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE] If this keeps up, I might be prophetic, not snarky, with the following picture: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SNyqZXF.png[/IMG] oc btw
[quote]The president has given no indication he intends to do so, and his attorneys have described his decision to donate foreign government profits to the Treasury as voluntary, since they argue the president is not subject to the emoluments clause or other conflicts-of-interest laws governing most federal employees.[/quote] Literally saying he's above the law
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52273909]If this keeps up, I might be prophetic, not snarky, with the following picture: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SNyqZXF.png[/IMG] oc btw[/QUOTE] thing is Fidel Castro had charisma something that Donald Trump will never ever have
[QUOTE=joshuadim;52274003]thing is Fidel Castro had charisma something that Donald Trump will never ever have[/QUOTE]Half the country wouldn't have voted for him, he wouldn't have won the presidency if people didn't find him charismatic. Just because you hate him doesn't mean everyone else in the county does too, obviously some people found him charismatic enough to want to vote for him.
[QUOTE=Killer900;52274056]Half the country wouldn't have voted for him, he wouldn't have won the presidency if people didn't find him charismatic. Just because you hate him doesn't mean everyone else in the county does too, obviously some people found him charismatic enough to want to vote for him.[/QUOTE] Yes conmen can be charismatic I never saw him being charismatic, I understand his rhetoric attracted people, but he's not a very good public speaker, he's not a very "eloquent" person. He speaks at a third grade level.
I suppose it's no longer practical to keep Trump in the White House then, no?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52274070]Yes conmen can be charismatic I never saw him being charismatic, I understand his rhetoric attracted people, but he's not a very good public speaker, he's not a very "eloquent" person. He speaks at a third grade level.[/QUOTE] that's why he was so successful, he speaks at the same reading level of his voters
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;52273925]Literally saying he's above the law[/QUOTE] So I did a bit of digging on this, out of curiosity. Nothing super deep, but enough to get a sense of where his attorneys are coming from. The emoluments clause states this, with the relevant bits bolded: [quote=http://www.heritage.org/constitution/articles/1/essays/68/emoluments-clause]No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: [b]And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.[/b][/quote] The ambiguity comes from the phrasing of "office of profit or trust [b]under[/b] [the State]", and whether or not the President is considered "under" the state, or if the President is on an equal level to the state. Looking into this, it seems like whether or not the Emoluments Clause applies to the President has been a topic of hot debate among Constitutional scholars for quite a few years now. There seems to be a general consensus, from what I read, that the President [b]does[/b], simply because there is no language in the Constitution saying otherwise, when the Constitution is generally pretty explicit about noting exceptions. Obviously, though, there are contrarians who argue that since there is no language saying the President [b]is[/b] included in that clause, then he by default is [b]not[/b].
This refers to the fact that a government can own a company and pay through that company. [quote]“To fully and completely identify all patronage at our Properties by customer type is impractical in the service industry and putting forth a policy that requires all guests to identify themselves would impede upon personal privacy and diminish the guest experience of our brand,”[/quote] They actually will give the money but only, and only if it comes from something that's specifically identifying itself as being related to that country. In other words it's up to other countries to declare if they want the money to go to trump or to the USA.
[QUOTE=Killer900;52274056]Half the country wouldn't have voted for him, he wouldn't have won the presidency if people didn't find him charismatic. Just because you hate him doesn't mean everyone else in the county does too, obviously some people found him charismatic enough to want to vote for him.[/QUOTE] Did half the country vote for him, or did they vote against Clinton/Democrats though?
so is he admitting to it then?
[QUOTE=gokiyono;52274155]Did half the country vote for him, or did they vote against Clinton/Democrats though?[/QUOTE] Trump only got 46.1% of the vote anyways. And that's with a voter turn out of ~129,000,000 people. I'm having trouble finding the voter pool numbers for 2016 but it was apparently around 180,000,000 in 2008 and it's been growing every election so it's probably around the 210-220,000,000 mark now. So that's only ~28% or so of voters that actually voted for him.
I hope someone takes him to court over saying the rule doesn't apply to him as president
Remember when JFK addressed the question of what he would do if he was ever faced with a decision that would either compromise his character or the integrity of his office? [B][I]He said he would resign the office of the presidency immediately.[/I][/B] Decades later, Trump's response is: [B][I]Meh, I don't really give a shit.[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52274070]Yes conmen can be charismatic I never saw him being charismatic, I understand his rhetoric attracted people, but he's not a very good public speaker, he's not a very "eloquent" person. He speaks at a third grade level.[/QUOTE] That kind of speaking probably helped him a lot tho rather than dragging him down. He had that anti-establishment, anti-political correctness, non-politician, no-nonsense theme going for him. Using basic language fit that theme quite well. I don't know whether "charismatic" would be the right word for it, but I do think that his way of talking was appealing for a lot of people that were fed up with political jargon as much as the status quo it represented to them.
i do hope the court case goes forward, whoever said he's above the enulument clause needs to have their law degree revoked. NOT EVEN CONGRESS has the authority to say that, the presidency is not above the constitution
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;52274239]That kind of speaking probably helped him a lot tho rather than dragging him down. He had that anti-establishment, anti-political correctness, non-politician, no-nonsense theme going for him. Using basic language fit that theme quite well. I don't know whether "charismatic" would be the right word for it, but I do think that his way of talking was appealing for a lot of people that were fed up with political jargon as much as the status quo it represented to them.[/QUOTE] It's not so much being charismatic as much as appealing to the lowest common denominator.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;52274155]Did half the country vote for him, or did they vote against Clinton/Democrats though?[/QUOTE] He still had to win the Republican nomination. This is the guy Republicans thought would be the best person for the job, out of the 17 who made it to the debates. The really sad part is after going back and reading about their positions, I'm not sure I disagree. Trump is a dislikable moron, and that keeps his worst ideas from being enacted. I might rather have him in office than some of the others that combine terrible ideas with the political competency to achieve them.
[QUOTE=Killer900;52274056]Half the country wouldn't have voted for him, he wouldn't have won the presidency if people didn't find him charismatic. Just because you hate him doesn't mean everyone else in the county does too, obviously some people found him charismatic enough to want to vote for him.[/QUOTE] Half the country assumes 50% of all American voters voted for him. They did not. He won by technicality in an election against the most horrifically disliked candidate in recent memory. Nothing to be proud about. Pathetic even, that more people voted for Hillary. That should give you an idea just how shitty Agent Orange is.
It's so impractical that literally every other American president has followed this clause.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52274070]Yes conmen can be charismatic I never saw him being charismatic, I understand his rhetoric attracted people, but he's not a very good public speaker, he's not a very "eloquent" person. He speaks at a third grade level.[/QUOTE] A nation of idiots are easily swayed by conmen.
[QUOTE=Killer900;52274056]Half the country wouldn't have voted for him, he wouldn't have won the presidency if people didn't find him charismatic. Just because you hate him doesn't mean everyone else in the county does too, obviously some people found him charismatic enough to want to vote for him.[/QUOTE] Let's see... [URL="https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/811298104867692546?s=09"]Donald Trump got 62,979,636 votes[/URL] The USA has a total population of [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States"]324,700,000[/URL]. That means that 19% of the country voted for him. Does 19% = 50% to you?
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52274707]Let's see... [URL="https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/811298104867692546?s=09"]Donald Trump got 62,979,636 votes[/URL] The USA has a total population of [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States"]324,700,000[/URL]. That means that 19% of the country voted for him. Does 19% = 50% to you?[/QUOTE] To be fair, you have to deduct minors, felons, and permanent immigrants who don't have full citizenship, but that doesn't make up the entire rest of the gap.
[QUOTE=Killer900;52274056]Half the country wouldn't have voted for him, he wouldn't have won the presidency if people didn't find him charismatic. Just because you hate him doesn't mean everyone else in the county does too, obviously some people found him charismatic enough to want to vote for him.[/QUOTE] People wouldn't have voted for him if they didn't like [i] something [/i] about him, but I honestly doubt it was his charisma. He talks like a child, often going around in circles or making no sense at all.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;52274960]People wouldn't have voted for him if they didn't like [i] something [/i] about him, but I honestly doubt it was his charisma. He talks like a child, often going around in circles or making no sense at all.[/QUOTE] There was the whole "he's not Hillary" thing that appealed to a bunch of people.
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