Man kidnaps woman, tortures and rapes her over over 6 weeks, only gets 13 years non-parole
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[quote]Prosecutors have appealed against the sentence given to a man who imprisoned and repeatedly raped a Dutch tourist over a six-week period at a Melbourne hotel.
Alfio Anthony Granata, 47, pleaded guilty to 14 charges, including multiple rapes, threats to kill, and intentionally causing serious injury to the 21-year-old woman in 2012.
Last month he was sentenced to 17 years' jail with a 13-year non-parole period.
But today the Director of Public Prosecutions said the sentence was "manifestly inadequate" asked the Court of Appeal to increase the jail term.
The woman was left with 54 separate injuries when she was repeatedly beaten unconscious and violently raped by Granata at the Rydges Bell City hotel in Preston, in Melbourne's north.
She also had a cross scratched into her forehead with a knife.
The court was told the woman only managed to escape from him after attempting suicide and being asked to be left to die.[/quote]
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-25/alfio-granata-prosecutors-appeal-sentence-rape-backpacker/6572544[/url]
I think this is an example of a criminal who should never be released.
13 years seems like a pretty long time regardless of how heinous the crime was, though. Not sure why you're treating it as something as lax as community service or a fine.
[QUOTE=Skerion;48046102]13 years seems like a pretty long time regardless of how heinous the crime was, though. Not sure why you're treating it as something like community service or a fine.[/QUOTE]
Depends to me on how good a country is in making prisoners being able to function in a normal life. That guy has clearly mental issues, so that should be worked on. But if they are going to throw him out into society without having him treated, then 13 years is really not enough.
I can't think of a single excuse to keep him alive, barring "moral highground/hollier than thou" bullshit.
I can guarantee that if he ever gets the oportunity to do something like this again he will do it. He is not mentally unstable, some people are just purely evil, and I'm positive that most of the rapists are full aware of what they're doing. Not a single ounce of mercy or compassion for them from me.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046130]I can't think of a single excuse to keep him alive, barring "moral highground/hollier than thou" bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Well if you want to disregard moral reasons completely, it's also cheaper to keep someone in jail for life than to execute them, so there's that.
Only because the processes can go on for ages with crapload of appeals. I don't see why should death sentence cost so much when there's irrefutable evidence in the play.
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;48046133]Well if you want to disregard moral reasons completely, it's also cheaper to keep someone in jail for life than to execute them, so there's that.[/QUOTE]
Execute them legally anyway. Morally I lean more towards the death penalty than life in prison but honestly the legal process makes it far more costly than life. In which case, what's the point? What do we do with them? Slave labor? Mutilation? None of these would be deemed legal and few others are even practical enough to benefit society. There's honestly no real solution to deal with these kinds of criminals.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046139]Only because the processes can go on for ages with crapload of appeals. I don't see why should death sentence cost so much when there's irrefutable evidence in the play.[/QUOTE]
Because there shouldn't really be a 'speed em on to the chair' route?
I mean shit, we already kill way too many innocent people on accident now, imagine how bad it would get if we could send someone to die because we're super sure they totally did it.
Even if you can't see any 'excuse' to keep them alive, I can't see any excuse to kill them.
[QUOTE=The golden;48046126]Going to be honest here, I don't think issues of this severity can be treated. It takes a really special kind of fucked-up to do this to another human being.[/QUOTE]
Could be. Though we don't really [I]know[/I] anything about his mental health other than that he's most likely unstable. All we can do right now, from our point, is make guesses. He could be as fucked up as you say and keep doing what he's doing once he's out, or maybe he's one of those special cases. I don't know, because I don't know the dude.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046130]I can't think of a single excuse to keep him alive, barring "moral highground/hollier than thou" bullshit.
I can guarantee that if he ever gets the oportunity to do something like this again he will do it. He is not mentally unstable, some people are just purely evil, and I'm positive that most of the rapists are full aware of what they're doing. Not a single ounce of mercy or compassion for them from me.[/QUOTE]
I can't think of a single excuse to kill someone who hasn't killed anyone else.
I've always thought that sentences should be given in increments. Say in this example of rape and assault, I would say the punishment would be in increments of 10 years. He starts with 10, and at the end is evaluated on his behavior and psychology. If he gets the pass he gets out, if he fails he gets 10 more years.
Poor woman though, I can't imagine how much trauma this must cause.
[QUOTE=spiritlol;48046216]I can't think of a single excuse to kill someone who hasn't killed anyone else.[/QUOTE]
I'll quote myself from quite a while ago.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47762799]Which is a good thing in my book. Maybe sometimes you can't find an excuse for murder, but you can find the cause of it and the pov of the murderer, but rape is inexcusable. There's literally no justification for committing a rape, you're fully aware you're violating and traumatizing the other being for life and I'm more than fine with you being hanged if there's irrefutable evidence that you did it.[/QUOTE]
If there are people who don't deserve mercy, then it's torturers of any kind
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046222]I'll quote myself from quite a while ago.[/QUOTE]
but this dude is very likely to be mentally ill, not just some horny asshole. He's probably either too fucked up or too disconnected with reality to care, or he can't stop himself despite his own efforts.
This guy was a mentally unstable meth addict who claimed to be possessed by the devil. Had he been more in control of his mental state I'm sure he would have received a longer sentence. I'm inclined to trust the judge's decision in this, but the only way we're going to know if its an acceptable sentence is if the DPP successfully appeals it or not.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046130]I can't think of a single excuse to keep him alive, barring "moral highground/hollier than thou" bullshit.
I can guarantee that if he ever gets the oportunity to do something like this again he will do it. He is not mentally unstable, some people are just purely evil, and I'm positive that most of the rapists are full aware of what they're doing. Not a single ounce of mercy or compassion for them from me.[/QUOTE]
While it's true that the crime is horrible, it's not that serious to get a death sentence over it.
But at the same time, it's also serious enough to not let him off that easily with a 13 year sentence.
Give him some good old corporal punishment.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;48046311]but this dude is very likely to be mentally ill, not just some horny asshole. He's probably either too fucked up or too disconnected with reality to care, or he can't stop himself despite his own efforts.[/QUOTE]
Ok, and should that excuse him for destroying someone else's life? Can anyone seriously tell me that they honestly think this guy can be rehabilitated (or even deserves to have a shot at it) in our society?
well seeing as he was a meth addict since 2009 and exhibited extreme paranoia and mental instability I think, yes, probably.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046139]Only because the processes can go on for ages with crapload of appeals. I don't see why should death sentence cost so much when there's irrefutable evidence in the play.[/QUOTE]
Everyone gets a right to a fair trial, even if they're a depraved fuckface.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046389]Ok, and should that excuse him for destroying someone else's life? Can anyone seriously tell me that they honestly think this guy can be rehabilitated (or even deserves to have a shot at it) in our society?[/QUOTE]
I never said it excuses his crimes, but the death sentence is still going too far.
And maybe he's worth some treatment, depending on just how his mental state is. Like I said, maybe he could have been a special case. As in, he may know what he's doing and have remorse and guilt, but still have no control over his actions. If that's the case, I say someone should get him a doctor. Could lead to good things, could lead to nothing.
But it's like I said, that [I]could[/I] be the case. Doesn't mean it [I]is.[/I]
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;48046399]well seeing as he was a meth addict since 2009 and exhibited extreme paranoia and mental instability I think, yes, probably.[/QUOTE]
I'm doubtful meth was the cause or that it can be used as an excuse.
His accomplice got off because she was described psychologically as someone who had been manipulated and conditioned over many years. He was a fucking disgusting individual long before he was a meth addict.
Substance abuse is never an excuse for one's actions but it is a factor that has to be taken into account.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046130]I can't think of a single excuse to keep him alive, barring "moral highground/hollier than thou" bullshit.
I can guarantee that if he ever gets the oportunity to do something like this again he will do it. He is not mentally unstable, some people are just purely evil, and I'm positive that most of the rapists are full aware of what they're doing. Not a single ounce of mercy or compassion for them from me.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be so speedy in condemning somebody to death if I were you. Most of the time it serves nothing but the purpose of an eye for an eye, and it's like has been mentioned costlier than just keeping somebody in jail for life.
I've mentioned before that why should human beings, who're just as fallible as the next person, be so quick in condemning others to lose their lives? Sure there's the part where it *might* have some justification if they're as rotten as last month's fish and it's obvious that they were the ones who committed the crime, and not some poor sap who ended up getting framed or indicted on the basis of circumstantial evidence, note also that forensic science isn't perfect and there have been multiple instances of people being wrongfully convicted and executed for crimes they never committed.
The death penalty should be a morally reprehensible thing to think of, because it should be no simple matter to take somebody's life, even in the name of justice, and even should it come to a pass where we can prove with absolute certainty that a person has committed a capital crime, or for that matter any crime, I'd still be leery of allowing the death penalty to continue to exist on a personal basis. As it stands, there are simply too many holes and unanswered problems facing the death penalty as an instrument of justice.
Anybody who receives a death sentence, even a piece of shit, is entitled to unlimited appeals because of the issue that people have been wrongfully convicted and killed. And despite that it still happens. Just because we have an option on the table, doesn't mean that it has to be used.
I'm not naive or stupid enough to think we can fix everybody. I've seen enough pieces of shit in my own life to know otherwise. I'm just against the potential injustice inherent to the death penalty as a legal punishment.
6 weeks, I'd bet he got high again within this time. Enjoyed what he was doing more afterward. My hometown is made up of these people, you can walk to the lake and find needles on the way. No sympathy here, he should be dead.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046222]I'll quote myself from quite a while ago.[/QUOTE]
I work with rapists, murderers, and violent offenders every day. The vast majority of them are people who fucked up, know they fucked up, and are trying to do better.
I see these people. I talk with them. I meet their families. I watch them help their kids with homework. You would see these people dead. For what?
[QUOTE=GunFox;48046710]I work with rapists, murderers, and violent offenders every day. The vast majority of them are people who fucked up, know they fucked up, and are trying to do better.
I see these people. I talk with them. I meet their families. I watch them help their kids with homework. You would see these people dead. For what?[/QUOTE]
When you ask them, 'For what.', what do they say. If you can tell me they have a better reason to lay someone to waste other than sexual frustration, and violent tendencies it'd be great. But so far I find death for the greater good to be a better reason.
[QUOTE=clc666;48046818]When you ask them, 'For what.', what do they say. If you can tell me they have a better reason to lay someone to waste other than sexual frustration, and violent tendencies it'd be great. But so far I find death for the greater good to be a better reason.[/QUOTE]
Have you heard of this thing called a crime of passion? Some people commit crimes in a fit of rage because of some sudden impulse that precipitated them into doing such an action. For example, a husband who got cuckolded might give in to his anger and assault or even kill his wife or the person she was seeing.
I'm not saying it justifies what they do, but it's still a grave enough provocation to them that they are sufficiently induced into acting on it. What's the good of killing such people for committing a crime that they would ordinarily have never done?
Even rape can end up becoming a crime of passion in some cases, though that's being reconsidered in recent times - women's advocacy groups have been strongly urging, and rightly so, that rape be treated as not falling under this category, to prevent impunity in violence towards women.
But we're staring at a slippery slope here as far as death goes. Who decides who's fit to live, and who to die, and by what standard? Even one innocent life lost as a result of carelessness or misfortune is a failure on the part of the justice system in two ways - an innocent is punished for a crime they never committed and the guilty party goes off often scot free.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046139]Only because the processes can go on for ages with crapload of appeals. I don't see why should death sentence cost so much when there's irrefutable evidence in the play.[/QUOTE]
stop appealing to revenge boners
[QUOTE=GunFox;48046710]I work with rapists, murderers, and violent offenders every day. The vast majority of them are people who fucked up, know they fucked up, and are trying to do better.
I see these people. I talk with them. I meet their families. I watch them help their kids with homework. You would see these people dead. [B]For what?[/B][/QUOTE]
A perverted sense of "justice"
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48046862]Have you heard of this thing called a crime of passion? Some people commit crimes in a fit of rage because of some sudden impulse that precipitated them into doing such an action. For example, a husband who got cuckolded might give in to his anger and assault or even kill his wife or the person she was seeing.
I'm not saying it justifies what they do, but it's still a grave enough provocation to them that they are sufficiently induced into acting on it. What's the good of killing such people for committing a crime that they would ordinarily have never done?
Even rape can end up becoming a crime of passion in some cases, though that's being reconsidered in recent times - women's advocacy groups have been strongly urging, and rightly so, that rape be treated as not falling under this category, to prevent impunity in violence towards women.
But we're staring at a slippery slope here as far as death goes. Who decides who's fit to live, and who to die, and by what standard? Even one innocent life lost as a result of carelessness or misfortune is a failure on the part of the justice system in two ways - an innocent is punished for a crime they never committed and the guilty party goes off often scot free.[/QUOTE]
I like your examples, and perspective. But we're talking about a guy who raped 1 woman over 6 weeks, while getting high on drugs. That's one hell of a passion.
[QUOTE=clc666;48046818]When you ask them, 'For what.', what do they say. If you can tell me they have a better reason to lay someone to waste other than sexual frustration, and violent tendencies it'd be great. But so far I find death for the greater good to be a better reason.[/QUOTE]
Ok as much as I despise rapists and murderers, I think you should stop and rethink a little. Sometimes circumstances force them/cause them to be unable to control their actions/otherwise exonerate them up to a certain extent. Especially in the case of rape those are few and far between, but they do exist.
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