• UK justice secretary Michael Gove says prisons need to improve rehabilitation and education for pris
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33554573[/url] [quote]Education in prisons must be overhauled in order to tackle a "persistent failure to reduce re-offending", the justice secretary is to say. Michael Gove will stress in a speech that helping prisoners become literate and numerate makes them "employable". Mr Gove will suggest "earned release" for inmates who work hard on their education, and propose giving governors more autonomy. The Prison Governors Association welcomed the proposals. However, it also raised concerns about how changes would work in practice. Earlier this week, chief inspector of prisons Nick Hardwick said the government's "rehabilitation revolution", launched five years ago at the outset of the coalition, had not even started. He said in his last annual report that prisons were in their worst state for a decade and some jails were "places of violence, squalor and idleness".[/quote] Could be cool
That's a good initiative. Always good to see people trying to actually help the troubled people.
thank god rehabilitative prison reform is a [I]long[/I] time overdue
[QUOTE=joes33431;48227218]thank god rehabilitative prison reform is a [I]long[/I] time overdue[/QUOTE] yeah, the US really, really needs some of that. as it stands, our prison system is privatized and gets subsidized [I]based on prisoner count[/I] so they constantly want more prisoners for longer sentences. that, and it's basically a criminal boot camp that turns one-time nonviolent offenders into career criminals according to the number of repeat offenders and shit. seriously, the UN needs to start classifying how we treat our prisoners as inhumane, because if we take initiative over here and change that, crime (which is at an all-time low in the US, and steadily decreasing everywhere else in the world) would drop a lot. here, we have the sick idea that prisons are for exacting revenge and punishment. in reality, it should be rehabilitation that treats them very well with the long term goal of turning them into a functional, lower-risk citizen that may be able to integrate back into society.
Some good idea's however I Still can't believe Gove has a job after fucking up as the education minister. The guy was a journalist before he even became a MP, how exactly did that make him qualified for such a job.
Should the headline not be "Breaking: Michael Gove says something sane". I guess all rehabilitation initiatives must be above average to get funding though.
This is pretty much the first thing said by Michael Gove to make sense, but actions speak louder than words.
[QUOTE=Arrows;48227288]Some good idea's however I Still can't believe Gove has a job after fucking up as the education minister. The guy was a journalist before he even became a MP, how exactly did that make him qualified for such a job.[/QUOTE] Basically, he's mates with some of the other high-ranking Conservatives, so Cameron keeps putting him in safe positions. [editline]17th July 2015[/editline] The Tories basically haven't given a fuck at all about assigning their ministers, that's why our Equalities minister voted against gay marriage (although apparently she's changed her mind).
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48231425]Basically, he's mates with some of the other high-ranking Conservatives, so Cameron keeps putting him in safe positions. [editline]17th July 2015[/editline] The Tories basically haven't given a fuck at all about assigning their ministers, that's why our Equalities minister voted against gay marriage (although apparently she's changed her mind).[/QUOTE] Really wish there was legislation against this. All it does is damage the country.
Ironically this comes as the only drug free prison in the UK and one of the best performing in terms of rehabilitation has been shut down indefinitely for renewal works, although because all the prisoners and staff have been moved elsewhere, it looks like it'll be closing permanently. Why? It's too expensive to house prisoners there, apparently.
About bloody time. To be honest, I feel like prisons should become more like hospitals, where the inmates are [B]treated[/B] rather than just kept separate from the lawful, with rehabilitation being a "we'll do it when we feel like it" thing.
[QUOTE=ironman17;48237364]About bloody time. To be honest, I feel like prisons should become more like hospitals, where the inmates are [B]treated[/B] rather than just kept separate from the lawful, with rehabilitation being a "we'll do it when we feel like it" thing.[/QUOTE] We have trouble funding the NHS, which are actual hospitals. Imagine trying to persuade the UK that they need to give money to hospitals which are exclusively for people who've committed crimes. I can't imagine it will change unless an MP has to go to prison.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48238757]We have trouble funding the NHS, which are actual hospitals. Imagine trying to persuade the UK that they need to give money to hospitals which are exclusively for people who've committed crimes. I can't imagine it will change unless an MP has to go to prison.[/QUOTE] Rehabilitative prisons tend to get lower re-admission rates than more punishment-focused ones, and a rehabilitated, productive member of society is probably better for the economy
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48238757]We have trouble funding the NHS, which are actual hospitals. Imagine trying to persuade the UK that they need to give money to hospitals which are exclusively for people who've committed crimes. I can't imagine it will change unless an MP has to go to prison.[/QUOTE] True, there is that. But I don't really know which would be the least tricky to pin down; have it be publicly-funded and organized be the government, or have it be privatized and in the hands of corporations. For all the lousiness of the underfunded NHS, we all know the unnatural cosmic horror that is the American healthcare system. And that's just PHYSICAL healthcare, which I wasn't referring to earlier. I was talking about the mental health of criminals, and whether their mental states should be repaired by the government or by a private contractor of sorts.
[QUOTE=ironman17;48238820]True, there is that. But I don't really know which would be the least tricky to pin down; have it be publicly-funded and organized be the government, or have it be [B]privatized and in the hands of corporations.[/B] For all the lousiness of the underfunded NHS, we all know the unnatural cosmic horror that is the American healthcare system. [/QUOTE] Privatized is hardly a good idea. 80$ Phonecalls, cutting corners on necessary shit, the government setting prisoner quotas because of corporate influence and people pocketing millions for shotty work is wrong.
That's what I was wary of, although on the flipside I was also worried about potentially corrupt government using "prison asylums" and the treatments being used to curb "undesirables".
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48238757]We have trouble funding the NHS, which are actual hospitals. Imagine trying to persuade the UK that they need to give money to hospitals which are exclusively for people who've committed crimes. I can't imagine it will change unless an MP has to go to prison.[/QUOTE] True enough, but it's a long-term investment. Rehabilitating and educating the prisoners and offer them opportunities to work and be productive members of society makes people who previously were a danger and burden upon society into productive resources for society. It's just a shame that short-term goals are always prioritized over long-term goals.
[QUOTE=ironman17;48238910]That's what I was wary of, although on the flipside I was also worried about potentially corrupt government using "prison asylums" and the treatments being used to curb "undesirables".[/QUOTE] A corrupt and evil government like that would just use the private prisons.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48238757]We have trouble funding the NHS, which are actual hospitals. Imagine trying to persuade the UK that they need to give money to hospitals which are exclusively for people who've committed crimes. I can't imagine it will change unless an MP has to go to prison.[/QUOTE] 5 MPs [I]were[/I] sent to prison during the last Parliament over the expenses scandal [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_parliamentary_expenses_scandal#Criminal_charges[/url]
[QUOTE=Shibbey;48238792]Rehabilitative prisons tend to get lower re-admission rates than more punishment-focused ones, and a rehabilitated, productive member of society is probably better for the economy[/QUOTE] tell that to people with god complexes who want bloody retribution for every petty crime.
[QUOTE=joes33431;48241292]tell that to people with god complexes who want bloody retribution for every petty crime.[/QUOTE] hell, just look at all the people on Facepunch itself who go into topics about people being imprisoned for heinous crimes and essentially say "Gosh, I hope that guy gets raped!"
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