Samsung sues tiny PC manufacturer "Samsung is playing a juridical game with Nvidia and the justice s - Polidicks

[img]http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/story/70/00/009250/velocity-micro-notemagix-ultrabook-laptops-620x236.jpg?hash=AQL3LGyxBG&upscale=1[/img] [quote][B] Samsung's lawyers are completely ruthless in its legal battle against Nvidia, according to the small computer manufacturer Velocity Micro, who involuntarily got embroiled in the battle between the giants. [/B] After Nvidia's allegations regarding Samsung violating their patents, Samsung responds by counter-suing for the same reasons. Out of the blue, they also decide to sue a tiny and relatively unknown U.S-based PC manufacturer, called "Velocity Micro", because they're using Nvidia's products. According to Velocity Micro's CEO and founder, Randy Copeland, their more than irrational reason is not the real one, though. "They tactically need Velocity, a Richmond company, to be part of this new suit so they can have a faster time to trial to counter their lawsuits with Nvidia [...] they are all too willing to throw a private company under the proverbial bus for their own strategic reasons. It’s simply wrong, and a shining example of what’s broken in big corporate America." In an [URL="http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/message-ceo-velocity-micro-responds-samsungs-lawsuit/"]open-letter[/URL], Copeland says that Samsung's lawsuit has nothing to do with his company's activities. Instead, Samsung's lawyers just want an excuse to bring the case to the Federal District Court in Richmond, a court which is known for quick trial procedures. Thus, the lawyers hope to precede Nvidia's lawsuit, which could provide significant advantages in an upcoming trial. He stresses that Samsung's attacks are "out of the blue", and without regard to the consequences Micro Velocity and it's employees could suffer. "This is not our fight, and it’s unconscionable that Samsung is willing to completely disregard the effects and financial fallout this legal tactic will have on the undeserving employees of Velocity Micro and our local community." [/quote] Source: [url]http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/19629-velocity-micro-samsung-spelar-juridiskt-spel-med-nvidia-och-rattsystemet[/url]

wouldn't allowing this to go through mean they could essentially sue dell, lenovo, HP, and just about any other laptop manufacturer for using Nvidia graphics?

Fuck off Samsung, go back to making stuff that's literally right above Chinese-knockoff-tier.

[QUOTE=Sableye;46499168]wouldn't allowing this to go through mean they could essentially sue dell, lenovo, HP, and just about any other laptop manufacturer for using Nvidia graphics?[/QUOTE] I dont think they're actually going to win against them, or planning to do so They're just involving them so that the lawsuit can end up in Richmond since they think they have better chances against Nvidia there

Samsung, you just lost my business. I was about to buy a Galaxy tablet because it was on sale, but [i]fuck that.[/i] Zero tolerance for a major corporation who's trying to destroy a small business, especially like this.

[quote]big corporate America[/quote] but they're headquartered in South Korea and have always been a Korean company. Sure they may be doing this in the US but I hardly call it 'something wrong with big corporate America'.

I wouldnt call Nvidia a "tiny PC manufacturer" necessarily [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the OP" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499572]I wouldnt call Nvidia a "tiny PC manufacturer" necessarily[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Out of the blue, they also decide to sue a tiny and relatively unknown U.S-based PC manufacturer, called "Velocity Micro", because they're using Nvidia's products.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;46499174]Fuck off Samsung, go back to making stuff that's literally right above Chinese-knockoff-tier.[/QUOTE] 1. Chinese tech companies make some good products, like the thinkpad 2. Samsung makes perfectly good products, equal to the quality of the products of American companies

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499572]I wouldnt call Nvidia a "tiny PC manufacturer" necessarily[/QUOTE] Replying before reading through the OP used to be bannable, you know

[QUOTE=Aide;46499534]but they're headquartered in South Korea and have always been a Korean company. Sure they may be doing this in the US but I hardly call it 'something wrong with big corporate America'.[/QUOTE] They've got distinct US branches

Just upgraded my smartphone from a Galaxy S3. After all the shit I've seen Samsung pull lately, I'm never going back, and I went with an HTC One M8 instead of an S5. Much better design and feel, in my opinion, and their OEM software isn't trash like Samsung's. I guess it's because they're actually focusing on good product design as opposed to suing the shit out of everyone.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;46499572]I wouldnt call Nvidia a "tiny PC manufacturer" necessarily[/QUOTE] Dude, come one, it was the first sentence and it was [B]bolded[/B].

I got a Velocity Micro laptop when I went to college, damn fine laptop/desktop replacement up until it died. My nvidia card in it burned out a day before the 1 year warranty, and VM fixed it, lasted all the way to my senior year after some very demanding use. Shame Samsung is going to attack them just so they can play hardball with nvidia.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46499454]Samsung, you just lost my business. I was about to buy a Galaxy tablet because it was on sale, but [I]fuck that.[/I] Zero tolerance for a major corporation who's trying to destroy a small business, especially like this.[/QUOTE] Samsung has always been awful when it comes to patents, it's nothing new. They've been slapped with anti-trust violations multiple times for trying to drive competitors out of the business.

I had an Intel patent lawyer do a presentation at my school a couple of weeks ago. The way that corporations are using the patent system is a complete corruption of what it was originally designed to do. First of all patents are now awarded to the first to file, rather than the actual inventor. Seems really counter-intuitive for a system designed to protect inventor's intellectual property. Secondly, patents are being bought and sold between companies so that big corporations can build up large reserves of patents that can be used to launch lawsuits against competitors. Companies can launch lawsuits for patent infringement even if they don't actually use the patent (Imagine Apple suing Ford for patent infringement on a brake design). Think of it as mutually assured destruction with lawsuits instead of nukes. Seems like Nvidia and Samsung are going all at it now, and part of Samsung's attempt to game the justice system involves fucking over Velocity Micro. There is a reason that people call lawyers vampires.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;46499726]1. Chinese tech companies make some good products, like the thinkpad [/QUOTE] thinkpad was originally IBM's for years before they sold it to lenovo. apparently the whole line has had a noticible drop in quality since lenovo picked it up.

on one hand that's really sneaky and terrible of Samsung to do but on the other I like this galaxy note 3 and I don't plan on giving it up over something like this

[QUOTE=amos106;46501140]I had an Intel patent lawyer do a presentation at my school a couple of weeks ago. The way that corporations are using the patent system is a complete corruption of what it was originally designed to do. First of all patents are now awarded to the first to file, rather than the actual inventor. Seems really counter-intuitive for a system designed to protect inventor's intellectual property. Secondly, patents are being bought and sold between companies so that big corporations can build up large reserves of patents that can be used to launch lawsuits against competitors. Companies can launch lawsuits for patent infringement even if they don't actually use the patent (Imagine Apple suing Ford for patent infringement on a brake design). Think of it as mutually assured destruction with lawsuits instead of nukes. Seems like Nvidia and Samsung are going all at it now, and part of Samsung's attempt to game the justice system involves fucking over Velocity Micro. There is a reason that people call lawyers vampires.[/QUOTE] Samsung's legal tactics are also fairly well known. The company has been a serial intellectual property thief for decades now, and when they're sued over it they fill up the courts with so many counter suits that by the time there's ever any settlement or fine against them the damage has already been done to the company whose IP they stole. It has hurt a lot of companies like Pioneer, and it costs a lot of people their jobs. As much as people here like to think of Apple and Microsoft as horrible companies for suing and Samsung as their poor victim, they aren't, anyone who knows Samsung's history knows they aren't. Also something to think about, via [url=http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/06/apple-samsung-smartphone-patent-war.print]Vanity Fair[/url] [quote]One day in March 2011, cars carrying investigators from Korea’s anti-trust regulator pulled up outside a Samsung facility in Suwon, about 25 miles south of Seoul. They were there ready to raid the building, looking for evidence of possible collusion between the company and wireless operators to fix the prices of mobile phones. Before the investigators could get inside, security guards approached and refused to let them through the door. A standoff ensued, and the investigators called the police, who finally got them inside after a 30-minute delay. Curious about what had been happening in the plant as they cooled their heels outside, the officials seized video from internal security cameras. What they saw was almost beyond belief. Upon getting word that investigators were outside, employees at the plant began destroying documents and switching computers, replacing the ones that were being used — and might have damaging material on them — with others. A year later, Korean newspapers reported that the government had fined Samsung for obstructing the investigation at the facility. At the time, a legal team representing Apple was in Seoul to take depositions in the Samsung case, and they read about the standoff. From what they heard, one of the Samsung employees there had even swallowed documents before the investigators were allowed in. That certainly didn’t bode well for Apple’s case; how, the Apple lawyers said half-jokingly among themselves, could they possibly compete in a legal forum with employees who were so loyal to the company that they were willing to eat incriminating evidence?[/quote]

[QUOTE=Kaabii;46501268]Samsung's legal tactics are also fairly well known. The company has been a serial intellectual property thief for decades now, and when they're sued over it they fill up the courts with so many counter suits that by the time there's ever any settlement or fine against them the damage has already been done to the company whose IP they stole. It has hurt a lot of companies like Pioneer, and it costs a lot of people their jobs. As much as people here like to think of Apple and Microsoft as horrible companies for suing and Samsung as their poor victim, they aren't, anyone who knows Samsung's history knows they aren't. Also something to think about, via [url=http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/06/apple-samsung-smartphone-patent-war.print]Vanity Fair[/url][/QUOTE] The Samsung Group is held in high regard among South Koreans because they're credited for being a company that rose from the ashes of the Korean war to become a massive international business. Samsung is everywhere in South Korea. They make everything from phones to boats. They're also an awful company that uses their power in South Korea to break many laws. Everyone from judges to politicians are on their payroll and it's widely known too. I'm glad my sister is involved in suing the shit out of them because they deserve the absolute worst that's coming to them.

Velocity Micro doesn't even make laptops at all, they just flip Clevo rebrands like every other little gaming laptop company. M15 LE -> Clevo W650SZ M15 -> Clevo P151SM1 M17 -> Clevo P177SM That being said, their stuff [I]is[/I] kinda overpriced compared to XoticPC. Like, >$300 difference for the same computer overpriced.

I think you guys do need to remember here though, nvidea isn't a harmless company either and has sued small manufacturers for using amd stuff Namely they sued qualcom and by association samsung back in 2012 for patent shenanigans, this is sort of standard busines practice unfortunately, Microsoft sued every android phone maker for patent licencing fees, apple sued itself for infringing on a patent of one of its shell companies and apple and Samsung have been taking shots at each others suppliers and partners for years now [editline]16th November 2014[/editline] Overall the industry needs to come to some resolution because this current approach of suits and counter suits is not sustainable, we are reaching hundred billion figures soon and numbers like that should not be even concievable in courts

I've worked on a couple Velocity Micro systems (mainly desktops). They're extremely mediocre.

Fuck you Samsung.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46499454]Samsung, you just lost my business. I was about to buy a Galaxy tablet because it was on sale, but [i]fuck that.[/i] Zero tolerance for a major corporation who's trying to destroy a small business, especially like this.[/QUOTE] I was dumb enough to make the step to buy a Galaxy S3 Mini. Could've bought a Moto E but I didn't even think about it for some reason. At least I managed to convince my dad to get a subscription with a Moto E.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;46502349]Patent warfare is the only way to survive in a broken patent system[/QUOTE] Yes and this completely justifies Samsung bringing small PC manufacturer into a lawsuit for the sole reason of making it quicker.

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;46502212]FTFY, lenovo drove that line of computers into the ground. [editline]16th November 2014[/editline] Xaiomi make good products though, and are doing very well. Their hardware is surprisingly tasteful.[/QUOTE] They've made a killing in the Indian market here, but numerous reports of those devices turning into little cockburners made me steer away from them. The fact that they were phoning home to their China servers for a while was a bit concerning as well.

nVidia, apple, samsung, microsoft, etc etc needs to be sued by the government for consistent abuse of the patent system while simultaneously fixing it