Corbyn unveils £25bn high-speed internet plan - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37219140[/url] [quote]Every home and business in the UK would have guaranteed access to high-speed broadband as part of a digital "bill of rights" proposed by Jeremy Corbyn. In his [url=https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/corbynstays/pages/329/attachments/original/1472552058/Digital_Democracy.pdf?1472552058]Digital Democracy Manifesto[/url] the Labour leader said slow broadband was a "barrier to learning and a source of social and economic exclusion". Providing a truly universal UK service across would cost £25bn, he said.[/quote]

they should do what australia did and use superior cheaper and faster fiber to the node technology good job UK now who are we gonna compare out internet to [editline]i am either bad at conveying sarcasm or people are bad at picking up on it, idk[/editline] /s

[QUOTE=343N;50972556]they should do what australia did and use superior cheaper and faster fiber to the node technology good job UK now who are we gonna compare out internet to[/QUOTE] You do realize that by just half-assing the fiber connections, Australia's internet is knee-capped and the bottleneck still remains on the copper/wireless that connects homes/businesses to said node. You either go full fiber to the endpoint to reap the benefits or dont. Edit: I think you're being sarcastic so forgive my post, my sarcasm-o-meter is weak.

corbyn is one of those people who is absolutely fucking crazy in both good and questionable ways. sadly he wont last in his position. before someone thinks im one of those ppl who also thinks boris is some LEGENDARY MADMAN: boris is a serpent. trash broken capitalism. hack the planet. liberty is rising. 1776 will commence again.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50976013]Australian prepaid mobile internet is superfast now?[/QUOTE] 4G is like 18 mbps where I am. Still triple broadband though.

What's the attitude to spending like in the UK? in the US people would say "BUT THE DEFICIT"

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50976013]Australian prepaid mobile internet is superfast now?[/QUOTE] It sure feels like it, compared to our broadband. I get 48Mbps on my phone, and only 10Mbps on my desktop. Shame mobile data is literally 10 times more expensive, also the ping is twice as high so not so great for games either I guess...

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50976363]What's the attitude to spending like in the UK? in the US people would say "BUT THE DEFICIT"[/QUOTE] Something like that, even our politicians and economics ignore economics in order to pander to people that don't understand economics.

Yeah ok, I'm not holding my breath.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;50973337]You do realize that by just half-assing the fiber connections, Australia's internet is knee-capped and the bottleneck still remains on the copper/wireless that connects homes/businesses to said node. You either go full fiber to the endpoint to reap the benefits or dont. [/QUOTE] hah tell that to the liberal party

I was talking to one of the Virgin Media Techies. Virgin media already has rolled out gigabit fiber internet connections across most of the UK to the 'green boxes of connections', along with all the backbone infrastructure. They are slowly ramping it up higher and higher each time their competition raises their price per Mb. Currently I do get a good 100 or so Mb from them for a pretty good price.

I'm not some rabid free marketeer of the Thatcher school but isn't broadband something the private sector can handle? I feel kind of dirty even suggesting it but surely it's better to have competition in that area rather than a stagnant public sector thing. I mean, remember BT and the phones?

We already have nationwide gigabit fiber, what is taking you people so long?

[QUOTE=daigennki;50977163]We already have nationwide gigabit fiber, what is taking you people so long?[/QUOTE] Could be [URL="https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/members-faq-page2/#jump-link-10"]this[/URL]: [quote]The average age of MPs elected at the 2015 General Election is 50. At the last election, in 2010, the average age of an MP was also 50.[/quote]

[QUOTE=helifreak;50977175]Could be [URL="https://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/members-faq-page2/#jump-link-10"]this[/URL]:[/QUOTE] yet [url=http://www.news-digest.co.uk/news/features/13547-comparing-political-system-in-the-uk-and-japan.html]ours is older at 53[/url] [editline]31st August 2016[/editline] but then again, NTT was one of the first, if not THE first, to spread FTTH, especially because the "NTT law" basically forced them to actually do something good with the money (they used to be part of the government until the 80s) so...

[QUOTE=proboardslol;50976363]What's the attitude to spending like in the UK? in the US people would say "BUT THE DEFICIT"[/QUOTE] We in the us don't have a nickel to scratch our bums, the UK actually still has some solvency to do this kind of stuff.

Once the UK joins the fiber-optic internet party, it'll be like a whole new world. My entire city has gigabit internet as of this year (roll-out started a few years ago, but coverage is now 99% of what was planned). This means it was easy to join my LAN with my friend's house a few blocks over, via two VPN-enabled routers. There is no difference in between accessing a machine on my network, or his. For example, he can stream a 1080p60 video from my NAS, without transcoding, hickups or buffering. He just connects to //NAS-1 on his PC and boom, file index. It's fucking glorious. Strap yourself in Brits, you're in for a helluva ride. (Assuming that this plan is actually put into motion...)

[QUOTE=daigennki;50977163]We already have nationwide gigabit fiber, what is taking you people so long?[/QUOTE] Because politicians are retarded.

[QUOTE=343N;50972556]they should do what australia did and use superior cheaper and faster fiber to the node technology good job UK now who are we gonna compare out internet to[/QUOTE] ... we already do that. FTTC is the most used setup in the UK.

[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50977073]I'm not some rabid free marketeer of the Thatcher school but isn't broadband something the private sector can handle? I feel kind of dirty even suggesting it but surely it's better to have competition in that area rather than a stagnant public sector thing. I mean, remember BT and the phones?[/QUOTE] They can handle it if forced to, just look at America and how anti consumer everything broadband is over there.

Whilst they're at it sort the Mb, MB advertising, my parents/friends dont understand any of it, nor need to know what a bit is. It's just annoying as hell

[QUOTE=Reagy;50977375]... we already do that. FTTC is the most used setup in the UK.[/QUOTE] I have been able to get fiber in most of my flats, but my parents have FTTC except the cabinet connecting their area is like 1KM away so they are paying fiber prices to be connected at about 14mb. I can't imagine the speeds if they weren't on fiber. [QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;50973337]You do realize that by just half-assing the fiber connections, Australia's internet is knee-capped and the bottleneck still remains on the copper/wireless that connects homes/businesses to said node. You either go full fiber to the endpoint to reap the benefits or dont. Edit: I think you're being sarcastic so forgive my post, my sarcasm-o-meter is weak.[/QUOTE] FTTC has been working out well for years for us. The main problems are edge cases like above where weirdly placed cabinets result in crap speeds. Every place I have had fiber it has ranged from 80-120mb on FTTC. [url=https://www.hyperoptic.com/map]Hyperoptic[/url] are currently rolling out gigabit FTTP mainly to blocks of flats in cities who can register enough interest. My friend has it in Birmingham atm and he gets 1000/1000 uncapped for close to the price you'd get 100mb fiber from BT/Virgin. [QUOTE=jamzzster;50977392]Whilst they're at it sort the Mb, MB advertising, my parents/friends dont understand any of it, nor need to know what a bit is. It's just annoying as hell[/QUOTE] Yeah it's nutty how for years and years its almost like they have intentionally abused the fact people don't know the difference. I'm surprised even a lot of my gaming friends don't understand the difference, I just tell them divide by 8 to get your actual DL speed.

[QUOTE=Cushie;50977398] Yeah it's nutty how for years and years its almost like they have intentionally abused the fact people don't know the difference. I'm surprised even a lot of my gaming friends don't understand the difference, I just tell them divide by 8 to get your actual DL speed.[/QUOTE] Yeah I gave up explaining and just say divide by 8. Devious bastards

[QUOTE=markg06;50976813]Yeah ok, I'm not holding my breath.[/QUOTE] This plan is incredibly unlikely to ever be put into motion because, apart from anything else, Corbyn's Labour would have to win an election first

[QUOTE=Cushie;50977398]I have been able to get fiber in most of my flats, but my parents have FTTC except the cabinet connecting their area is like 1KM away so they are paying fiber prices to be connected at about 14mb. I can't imagine the speeds if they weren't on fiber.[/QUOTE] Yeah weird cabinet placements really mess up the whole concept of FTTC, it gets even worse in rural areas where the cabinet can be over 2~4 miles away in the middle of some random rural road with nothing else around it because it's bang in the centre of a bunch of little towns.

[QUOTE=jamzzster;50977409]Yeah I gave up explaining and just say divide by 8. Devious bastards[/QUOTE] So you explained it wrong for a long time and then corrected it and now they get it? Dont explain stuff that people have no interest or use for in their life, its a futile effort. the 'divide by 8' is the best explanation, and it sticks because people immediately understand how that is a big difference. [editline]31st August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=jamzzster;50977392]Whilst they're at it sort the Mb, MB advertising, my parents/friends dont understand any of it, nor need to know what a bit is. It's just annoying as hell[/QUOTE] using bits to measure speed of networks and bytes for storage is the correct way.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50977438]So you explained it wrong for a long time and then corrected it and now they get it? Dont explain stuff that people have no interest or use for in their life, its a futile effort. the 'divide by 8' is the best explanation, and it sticks because people immediately understand how that is a big difference. [editline]31st August 2016[/editline] using bits to measure speed of networks and bytes for storage is the correct way.[/QUOTE] I meant explaining why you divide by 8. I don't see why you can't measure speed with bytes???

[QUOTE=jamzzster;50977454]I meant explaining why you divide by 8. I don't see why you can't measure speed with bytes???[/QUOTE] because bytes per second would give you a different result depending on what device is connected to it. its like having a through of water be fed by buckets and it pours in buckets the buckets are bytes, the water molecules are bits the trough does not care how big the buckets are or how many of them are pouring, it just cares how many water is poured into it at once and how fast it can flow to the other side... Are the bytes sent 8 bit? 16 bit? 32 bit? 64 bit? heck 4 or 5 bit if you want to get really exotic? usually its 8 bit, but not always... and more often then you think its not 8 bit... In your useage online, you probably have sent or received at least once a packet in all of these standards. [B] ISP's also just CANNOT guarantee a certain MB transfer rate per second... they cant... it would be lying since they dont know the device you are sending from or the device you are sending too.[/B] they can however guarantee the speed of a single bit point to point within a margin of error.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50977485]because bytes per second would give you a different result depending on what device is connected to it. its like having a through of water be fed by buckets and it pours in buckets the buckets are bytes, the water molecules are bits the trough does not care how big the buckets are or how many of them are pouring, it just cares how many water is poured into it at once and how fast it can flow to the other side... Are the bytes sent 8 bit? 16 bit? 32 bit? 64 bit? heck 4 or 5 bit if you want to get really exotic? usually its 8 bit, but not always... and more often then you think its not 8 bit... In your useage online, you probably have sent or received at least once a packet in all of these standards. [B] ISP's also just CANNOT guarantee a certain MB transfer rate per second... they cant... it would be lying since they dont know the device you are sending from or the device you are sending too.[/B] they can however guarantee the speed of a single bit point to point within a margin of error.[/QUOTE] While this is a legit reason, the problem is your average joe doesn't know any of this stuff and for a long time the ISPs made no effort to point that fact out to people, as well as advertising their highest possible bytes per second in the most ideal situation rather than what their average customer gets. They got blasted for it a few times over the years and now the maximum speed they can advertise is what their top 10% of customers are getting if I remember right, not sure if anything recent has been said though.

[QUOTE=smurfy;50977430]This plan is incredibly unlikely to ever be put into motion because, apart from anything else, Corbyn's Labour would have to win an election first[/QUOTE] With all the gerrymandering, it's not looking likely anyone's Labour is going to win for a good long time now. So I'd rather at least for now have someone leading Labour who understands where the name Labour comes from and what it represents. [editline]31st August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;50977485]because bytes per second would give you a different result depending on what device is connected to it. its like having a through of water be fed by buckets and it pours in buckets the buckets are bytes, the water molecules are bits the trough does not care how big the buckets are or how many of them are pouring, it just cares how many water is poured into it at once and how fast it can flow to the other side... Are the bytes sent 8 bit? 16 bit? 32 bit? 64 bit? heck 4 or 5 bit if you want to get really exotic? usually its 8 bit, but not always... and more often then you think its not 8 bit... In your useage online, you probably have sent or received at least once a packet in all of these standards. [B] ISP's also just CANNOT guarantee a certain MB transfer rate per second... they cant... it would be lying since they dont know the device you are sending from or the device you are sending too.[/B] they can however guarantee the speed of a single bit point to point within a margin of error.[/QUOTE] That's interesting, I didn't know that. Makes a lot of sense. I'd always just assumed it was a way of making their internet speeds look faster in their advertising. Thank you.